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[miltiades]

April the 1st 2010 the day that Britain signs up to the" EUROPEAN ARREST WARRANT " Treaty.
Under the terms of the treaty, British courts must allow an extradition if a European Arrest Warrant has been issued, even if there are concerns about the standards of justice in the country that they are being sent to.
Effectively it means that the RoC CAN ISSUE A WARRANT FOR THE ARREST OF A CHEAPSKATE AND IT CAN BE LEGALY ENFORCED THROUGHOUT EUROPE.
Dr. Death watch out !!
These brain dead yobs will get what they deserved. Their own Home office advised against purchasing in the occupied part of Cyprus, against all common sense they have gone ahead , in the process they have absorbed enough hatred for the G/Cs purely and simply because they are shitting themselves and worried about their unscrupulous investments. Bastards , how dare they " purchase my ancestors land and scream out , as CLARETS Did - Dr Death - that it was not mine in the first place .
You thieving little shit you will find out sooner rather than later who the legal owner of the land your villa is built on.



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[miltiades]

A T/C on CY44 WROTE:
Hector: As I wrote: 'TRNC would be perfectly within its rights to do likewise to RoC...'
For instance, the Brits that bought my house in Paphos also had bought an apartment in Moutallos, in a recently GC built *block on, indisputably, Turkish Cypriot land. ""

Does he not realize that NOT A SINGLE T/C PROPERTY HAS BEEN SOLD TO A BRIT IN PAPHOS OR ELSEWHERE.
This guy is following propaganda instructions issued by Turkey.
I, as a proud Cypriot , would be thoroughly ashamed if any T/C land or property of any sort had ever been disposed off without the legal owners consent.
The CY 44 Forum has been created to serve and promote firstly the interests of the developers , secondly to con as many gullible British YOBS as possible and thirdly as a propaganda mouthpiece of Turkey.They do not tolerate opposing views , they banned me twice within a matter of a few posts.
Now let the bastards begin to shit themselves , go sleep sweating tossing and turning and wondering when that dreaded knock on your UK door will come.
You stupid Plonkers you messed up pretty badly and you will get your comeuppance ....soon .

ps. WILL THE T/C WITH LAND IN PAPHOS THAT SAYS WAS SOLD TO BRITS MAKE HIMSELF KNOWN.
I SWEAR ON MY MOTHERS GRAVE I SHALL MAKE IT MY DUTY TO FIND OUT THE PERPERTRATORS OF SUCH A VILE ACT AND ASSIST HIM IN TAKING THEM TO THE CLEANERS.
PUT UP OR SHUT UP.

[YFred]

Milti, try to help this man first and I'll see if I can find some more for you.

This man owns Larnaca Airport
By Simon Bahceli
(archive article - Saturday, June 4, 2005)
IN A NEW twist to the ongoing property dispute, a Turkish Cypriot yesterday claimed ownership of a large portion of the land on which Larnaca airport is built and said he would be seeking up to £100 million worth of compensation, plus restitution of his lands.

Huseyin Helvacioglu, a refugee from Larnaca now living in Kyrenia, told the bi-communal weekly publication Dialogue, “They built Larnaca airport without my permission.

“Now I hear they are entering a second stage of building. I won’t let this happen. The land belongs to my brother and myself, and we want it back”.

It was unclear yesterday whether Helvacioglu had applied to begin legal proceedings against the Republic, but if he does, he will become the first Turkish Cypriot living in the north to seek compensation for properties expropriated by the state.

Helvacioglu’s claim comes in the wake of what is seen in the north as a legal onslaught against those who have invested in abandoned Greek Cypriot properties in the north.

Indeed, Helvacioglu’s statement warned yesterday that it was because of the flurry of lawsuits brought by Greek Cypriots that he had decided to go public about what he termed “illegal expropriation by the state”.

“For years we waited patiently for the property issue to be resolved through a settlement. But that didn’t happen, and now through individual cases they are taking Turkish Cypriots to court,” he said.

He added: “[Titina] Loizidou received one million dollars for her house in Kyrenia whereas, in the place where Larnaca airport was built, I have 92 donums of land right by the sea. Even if I was to get £100 million in compensation…it still wouldn’t be enough”.

Helvaciolglu said he was unaware his lands had been expropriated by the Cyprus government until after April 2003 when crossing were opened between the Greek and Turkish Cypriot communities for the first time in decades.

“After the checkpoints opened, I went to visit my land and I was shocked. I was angry, but decided it would be appropriate to wait for a while. Then I found out the Greek Cypriot side had agreed with a French company to carry out the building for the second stage of the airport on a ‘build-operate-transfer’ basis. I want to ask them whose property they are transferring.

“As the land owner, without my knowledge and approval, there can be no bargaining over my land. This is contrary to my human rights and I am warning them: The moment they put even one nail onto my land, they will find themselves in court”.

Lawyer and former legal advisor for the guardian of Turkish Cypriot properties Harris Kyriakides told the Cyprus Mail yesterday some Turkish Cypriots had never been compensated for lands and buildings that had since 1974 been expropriated by the government.

“There are procedures whereby people have to be notified if their property is to be expropriated. But in 1991, when the guardian of Turkish Cypriot properties law was passed, the guardian could then accept appropriations on behalf of Turkish Cypriots.

“The argument was that Turkish Cypriots living in the north could not be contacted, and were not allowed by the north’s regime to cross to the south. In some cases money was deposited on behalf of Turkish Cypriots, but in other cases the requisition process was not finalised, and no money was paid”.

Kyriakides said Turkish Cypriots who never received compensation for lands now being used for government projects should claim compensation from the state.

“Unless he [Helvacioglu] takes the government to court, he will not get any compensation until after a settlement,” he advised.

Sources in the north said yesterday Helvacioglu had earlier applied for compensation for his land from the Republic, but that had received no reply.

Kyriakides said yesterday he believed it was time the guardian law was dropped as freedom of movement between the two communities allowed Turkish Cypriots to be notified if their properties were to be expropriated for such projects.



Copyright © Cyprus Mail 2009

[YFred]

Here is another one, ironically also in the north but this time by the ROC

Turkish Cypriot to sue government for lost land
By Simon Bahceli
(archive article - Saturday, May 29, 2004)
Businessman launches ‘Titina-style’ case in district court

TURKISH Cypriot businessman Ahmet Necati Ozkan has launched unprecedented legal proceedings against the government over the expropriation of his hotel and lands in Ayios Epiktitos near Kyrenia.

While the expropriation took place between 1964 and 1974, and involves property currently under Turkish occupation, it could turn out to be an historical test case with resounding political consequences for the island.

The case will be heard at the Kyrenia District Court in Nicosia and is being brought against the Attorney-general’s office, which the plaintiff holds responsible for the expropriation of his hotel and lands by “military groups under the control of the government” during the inter-communal strife of the sixties and early seventies.

One of Ozkan’s lawyers Christos Clerides says his client is seeking damages of just over £488,000 for damage to his property and for loss of earnings during the period it was under the occupation of the National Guard and other military elements. He will also claim six per cent interest per year on his losses between 1964 and now.

The document submitted to the court claims Ozkan’s 25-bed Bosphor Hotel and its surrounding grounds and gardens suffered severe damage during its occupation.

Another of Ozkan’s lawyers Xenis Xenophondos told the Cyprus Mail the case could be a landmark case.

“Mr Ozkan’s case is a pioneer case because it is the first brought by a Turkish Cypriot concerning events at that time. It is particularly significant because it suggests that Turkish Cypriots are becoming part of the Republic once again”.

Ozkan told the Cyprus Mail yesterday he had made applications to the government for compensation before 1974, but that links had been severed by the Turkish invasion.

“I sued them [the government] before 1974 and had offers of compensation, but naturally after 1974, when the borders, closed I couldn’t do anything”.

It was only when crossing regulations were relaxed last year that Ozkan was able to resume claims for compensation.

Ozkan refused to disclose how much he had been offered as compensation by the government before 1974 but believes that with interest added, total compensation could be as much as two million pounds.

Ozkan’s father and previous owner of the hotel was the first Turkish Cypriot leader and was also a member of the Legislative Council during British rule. He was also famed for receiving his surname from Kemal Ataturk, the founder of the Turkish Republic.

A date for the start of proceedings is yet to be announced.



Copyright © Cyprus Mail 2009

[YFred]

....and another one needs your help.

Aziz Kent: I’ll sue for damages over arrest warrant
By Simon Bahceli
(archive article - Thursday, May 12, 2005)
AZIZ Kent, one of the four people in the north to be served with a European arrest warrant by the Cypriot government for allegedly building on Greek Cypriot lands, said yesterday he would fight to clear his name and was considering whether to sue the Cyprus government for damages to his business and reputation.

“Both of my hotels were built on Turkish Cypriot land and I have the title deeds to prove it,” Kent told the Cyprus Mail yesterday, adding: “I’ll sue them for loss of earnings.”
A defiant Kent said also that he would be traveling to the UK on Friday and that if the British authorities were intent on arresting on behalf of the Greek Cypriots, he would fight to prove his innocence there too. Under the EU arrest warrant system, suspects wanted in one EU country can be arrested in any of the nations of the 25 state bloc.
“I’ll take the title deeds and all the documents with me to show them,” Kent said.

Kent, who opened his Celebrity Hotel in 1977, yesterday showed the Cyprus Mail the title deeds of the lands on which his hotel was built, saying he bought in 1971. He also produced a certificate dating from 1973 granting him permission to build the hotel.
Kent was first alerted to the fact that the Cypriot authorities were targeting him when his hotel appeared on a list of Greek Cypriot hotels “under Turkish occupation” published on the internet by the Cyprus embassy in Sweden.

“My agent in Sweden called me and said, ‘your hotel is Greek’. After that I wrote to the foreign minister George Iacovou telling him of the mistake. I also sent a copy of the letter to the EU representative Adriaan van der Meer,” Kent explained.

Kent says that soon after his complaint the internet announcement was amended – albeit falsely.

“This time they said my hotel was 50 per cent Greek Cypriot owned. This is also not true.”

He said the confusion over ownership may have arisen from the fact that he was forced by the Greek Cypriot-run Kyrenia district office to employ a Greek Cypriot manager.
“I was told at the time that the only way I would get a building permit was if I got myself a Greek Cypriot management partner, which is something I arranged to do. But I must underline that my Greek Cypriot friend was not a partner in ownership of the hotel.”
Kent’s words are backed by a letter sent by Lagis Kyriakides Pandeli, the son of his Greek Cypriot manager, to foreign minister George Iavovou. In the letter, Pandeli says: “there was never any question of my father or my family having any interest in the land or buildings of the hotel. It was always very clear that Mr Aziz was the sole owner of the freehold and that my father only had a 12-year lease as a partner in the operation.”
The letter also pours praise and affection on Aziz for the help he gave the Pandeli family during the 1974 war.

“We were among the first to be held as prisoners by the Turkish army in Trimiti, and during this time we were separated from my father. As you know, a lot of men were sent to Turkey to be held as prisoners of war, and some never returned. My father was one of the ones to be sent out there. Mr Aziz constantly pressed the Turkish government for the release of my grandmother, my brothers, sisters and myself. We were among the first to be released after two weeks. Remarkably, after more lobbying on our behalf by Mr Aziz, my father was sent back to the Dome Hotel rather than two Turkey. I shudder to think what might have happened to my father had he not intervened.”

Aziz says he has sent copies of all the hotel’s relevant documents to the foreign ministry in Nicosia in the hope that the government revokes the arrest warrant.

“If they go for people like me, how many people do they think they will find to make a solution with in the future?”




Copyright © Cyprus Mail 2009

[Floda]

A T/C on CY44 WROTE:
Hector: As I wrote: 'TRNC would be perfectly within its rights to do likewise to RoC...'
For instance, the Brits that bought my house in Paphos also had bought an apartment in Moutallos, in a recently GC built *block on, indisputably, Turkish Cypriot land. ""

Does he not realize that NOT A SINGLE T/C PROPERTY HAS BEEN SOLD TO A BRIT IN PAPHOS OR ELSEWHERE.
This guy is following propaganda instructions issued by Turkey.
I, as a proud Cypriot , would be thoroughly ashamed if any T/C land or property of any sort had ever been disposed off without the legal owners consent.
The CY 44 Forum has been created to serve and promote firstly the interests of the developers , secondly to con as many gullible British YOBS as possible and thirdly as a propaganda mouthpiece of Turkey.They do not tolerate opposing views , they banned me twice within a matter of a few posts.
Now let the bastards begin to shit themselves , go sleep sweating tossing and turning and wondering when that dreaded knock on your UK door will come.
You stupid Plonkers you messed up pretty badly and you will get your comeuppance ....soon .

ps. WILL THE T/C WITH LAND IN PAPHOS THAT SAYS WAS SOLD TO BRITS MAKE HIMSELF KNOWN.
I SWEAR ON MY MOTHERS GRAVE I SHALL MAKE IT MY DUTY TO FIND OUT THE PERPERTRATORS OF SUCH A VILE ACT AND ASSIST HIM IN TAKING THEM TO THE CLEANERS.
PUT UP OR SHUT UP.

For God's sake pipe down miltiades, you are TOO LOUD and it is most distressing.

You once again declare yourself 'A Proud Cypriot' when 'Fleet of Foot' might be a more appropriate description (IMHO)

If you are so determined to rectify injustices, there are plenty of opportunities for you to do so in your OWN country (UK), you know, the one which was the main instigator in the destruction of Cyprus and which has benefited from your residence there for the last half century.

[DT.]

Milti, try to help this man first and I'll see if I can find some more for you.

This man owns Larnaca Airport
By Simon Bahceli
(archive article - Saturday, June 4, 2005)
IN A NEW twist to the ongoing property dispute, a Turkish Cypriot yesterday claimed ownership of a large portion of the land on which Larnaca airport is built and said he would be seeking up to £100 million worth of compensation, plus restitution of his lands.

Huseyin Helvacioglu, a refugee from Larnaca now living in Kyrenia, told the bi-communal weekly publication Dialogue, “They built Larnaca airport without my permission.

“Now I hear they are entering a second stage of building. I won’t let this happen. The land belongs to my brother and myself, and we want it back”.

It was unclear yesterday whether Helvacioglu had applied to begin legal proceedings against the Republic, but if he does, he will become the first Turkish Cypriot living in the north to seek compensation for properties expropriated by the state.

Helvacioglu’s claim comes in the wake of what is seen in the north as a legal onslaught against those who have invested in abandoned Greek Cypriot properties in the north.

Indeed, Helvacioglu’s statement warned yesterday that it was because of the flurry of lawsuits brought by Greek Cypriots that he had decided to go public about what he termed “illegal expropriation by the state”.

“For years we waited patiently for the property issue to be resolved through a settlement. But that didn’t happen, and now through individual cases they are taking Turkish Cypriots to court,” he said.

He added: “[Titina] Loizidou received one million dollars for her house in Kyrenia whereas, in the place where Larnaca airport was built, I have 92 donums of land right by the sea. Even if I was to get £100 million in compensation…it still wouldn’t be enough”.

Helvaciolglu said he was unaware his lands had been expropriated by the Cyprus government until after April 2003 when crossing were opened between the Greek and Turkish Cypriot communities for the first time in decades.

“After the checkpoints opened, I went to visit my land and I was shocked. I was angry, but decided it would be appropriate to wait for a while. Then I found out the Greek Cypriot side had agreed with a French company to carry out the building for the second stage of the airport on a ‘build-operate-transfer’ basis. I want to ask them whose property they are transferring.

“As the land owner, without my knowledge and approval, there can be no bargaining over my land. This is contrary to my human rights and I am warning them: The moment they put even one nail onto my land, they will find themselves in court”.

Lawyer and former legal advisor for the guardian of Turkish Cypriot properties Harris Kyriakides told the Cyprus Mail yesterday some Turkish Cypriots had never been compensated for lands and buildings that had since 1974 been expropriated by the government.

“There are procedures whereby people have to be notified if their property is to be expropriated. But in 1991, when the guardian of Turkish Cypriot properties law was passed, the guardian could then accept appropriations on behalf of Turkish Cypriots.

“The argument was that Turkish Cypriots living in the north could not be contacted, and were not allowed by the north’s regime to cross to the south. In some cases money was deposited on behalf of Turkish Cypriots, but in other cases the requisition process was not finalised, and no money was paid”.

Kyriakides said Turkish Cypriots who never received compensation for lands now being used for government projects should claim compensation from the state.

“Unless he [Helvacioglu] takes the government to court, he will not get any compensation until after a settlement,” he advised.

Sources in the north said yesterday Helvacioglu had earlier applied for compensation for his land from the Republic, but that had received no reply.

Kyriakides said yesterday he believed it was time the guardian law was dropped as freedom of movement between the two communities allowed Turkish Cypriots to be notified if their properties were to be expropriated for such projects.




Copyright © Cyprus Mail 2009

only a moron like you would not know the difference between expropriation and sales and marketing of stolen land to be sold to foeigners for a quick buck by your thieving developers. If you have problems with the expropriation in the govt controlled areas then get to the back of the queue. The govt took 3 plots for a green area in our neighbourhood from our garden.

[YFred]

There nothing moronic about it old boy. Expropriation of Turkish lands to build airport to develop GC economy? Stinks of double standards which ever way you look at it.

[Oracle]

YFred stop concerning yourself with old cases which have proven unfounded ....

[miltiades]

Floda , shut up stupid.

Fred , expropriation is a legal process that all governments worldwide undertake having firstly obtained legal jurisdiction in doing so.
You can not compare this legal act with what has gone on in the "trnc"

I challenge anyone to submit evidence that his legally owned land in the RoC has been illegally sold or usurped in any way.