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[insan]

Martin Packard said Makarios tried his hardest to stop Greek Cypriots taking Turkish Cypriots as hostages and vice versa - are we still going to see Turkish Cypriots trying to say Makarios ordered a so-called Turkish Cypriot genocide or the Akritas plan was to exterminate Turkish Cypriots??

Martin Packard said that, some others said the otherwise... Why shall we believe Martin Packard and not believe to others? To exculpate Makarios and put the blame on others?

[umit07]

Umit,

Truly valuable evidentiary sources are seldom best sellers. I have just ordered the book and am impatient to read it.

From the clips I learned some things that surprised me- one being that Makarios and Kutchuk both had little control of their paramilitaries. That both wanted to end the violence and took active steps to do so. That funding to the TCs was continued via the patrols and that day to day things like water supplies and harvesting were normalising fast. It all changed when the Americans got involved and the British did all their bidding.

I am sure the book will contain much more deail than the clips and will shed light on what happened during those days.

It's true, many controversial written texts seem to pass unnoticed. I think the author saw it as a moral duty to write what he had been a part of. I feel said that TC's and GC's cannot till this day face the facts no matter now ugly they may be. If the generation that went through this shit cannot come to a general consensus of history, how the hell will future generations?

One thing I find hard to believe is that Makarios did not want Enosis. The TC history books and general public conception on the topic is that; MAkarios was closer to Russia and knew that any sudden move in the way to Enosis would trigger a Turkish interception. Where as the other faction wanted a swift union. Makarios is described as being a lot more patient and sneaky but on the same pathway to the ultimate goal. TC books also quote various newspaper articles and speachs by Makarios, ensuring the public that he is not a traitor to the cause of Enosis.

[Nikitas]

Insan said:

"Admit it. U believe in ur own Cyprus solution thesis that is no different than the Greek one and u r very happy when ur "friends" give support to it... U r unhappy when ur "friends" give support to Turkish/TC solution thesis..."

Where in my posts do you find any evidence of the above?

My dream solution is one that will allow me, and all Cypriots, full access and rights of residence and establishment in any part of Cyprus. TO be honest, such a thing was not possible even before 1955 let alone after 1974. Failing that, the next best is a solution that in time will allow reaching the ideal choice outlined above.

I do not believe there is such a thing as a friend in politics, especially at the international level.

As for the Greek solution thesis, is there one? If you know then give us some pointers, because I do not know what the official or unofficial Greek approach to Cyprus is. There has not been a fixed Greek policy on Cyprus since 1974. If there were things might have been easier.

[shahmaran]

Martin Packard said Makarios tried his hardest to stop Greek Cypriots taking Turkish Cypriots as hostages and vice versa - are we still going to see Turkish Cypriots trying to say Makarios ordered a so-called Turkish Cypriot genocide or the Akritas plan was to exterminate Turkish Cypriots??

Who cares if he "ordered" or not, the point is he did not have control and these things were happening...

[Nikitas]

Yes Shah, they were happening, but the point here is who was doing the ordering. THe picture that emerges from the information provied by Packard is that the orders were coming from centers outside Cyprus. The local "executives" were being very well paid, often by the same paymasters, to do these things that we blame on Makarios.

More than anything else the book is alarming because it shows the ease with which Cypriots, of both communites can be suborned and corrupted and turned against their country. In the end all the bombastic talk of fatherlands and motherlands can be cancelled out with a few dollars and a shiny new car. I am willing to bet that you, like me, know people like that.

[Nikitas]

Always useful to remember the wise words of my friend from Famagusta who is now a doctor in Greece:

"When you see sudden wealth in Cyprus, then look for treason, antiquities theft, or drugs, or a mix of the above".

Easy to dismiss such a statement, but as more and more evidence comes to light it proves to be true. Packard's evidence just reinforces the message.

[Oracle]

Seems we now have another piece of the puzzle. Further proof that the idiots in this game have been the TCs who failed to resist being party to NATO games ...

As the party-faithful to Cyprus and Makarios, the GCs deserve to have their country back and the TCs to say sorry, remove the troops+settlers and trust us more in future!

[Nikitas]

Anyone remember EDMA, the United Front of Cypriot Fighters? No doubt there was the TC equivalent. Set up andn financed with American money in the years 1960 to 1963. They had brand new cars, all with sequential registration numbers.

I bet a few of those dudes got ahead in life!

[shahmaran]

Seems we now have another piece of the puzzle. Further proof that the idiots in this game have been the TCs who failed to resist being party to NATO games ...

As the party-faithful to Cyprus and Makarios, the GCs deserve to have their country back and the TCs to say sorry, remove the troops+settlers and trust us more in future!

How the hell did you conclude that?!

[Oracle]

Seems we now have another piece of the puzzle. Further proof that the idiots in this game have been the TCs who failed to resist being party to NATO games ...

As the party-faithful to Cyprus and Makarios, the GCs deserve to have their country back and the TCs to say sorry, remove the troops+settlers and trust us more in future!

How the hell did you conclude that?!

Well, look around you .... see what you allowed to be done!

Only the CNG, Makarios and the majority of GCs tried to resist the endgame, in 1974 ...