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[Get Real!]

The bitch part you mean? Even south cypriots say she's old. (the posts made by GCs about her teeth were funny indeed)

I'm one of the few members who met her... Who's been "informing" you with bullshit?

Yes the topic is Turkish army. How many hours did it take the Turkish army to take one third of Cyprus?

Two fortnights and 800 casualties! Pretty bad, but despite their hardware and numbers they were pretty useless back then.

[DT.]

Words dont hurt, actions do.

You are right on this one rumdölü. Old fat ugly south cypriot killer lady (your orospu friend) can bark as much as she can, she is out of Northern Cypriot Turkish land for good and condemned to see the KKTC flag forever on the mountain top.

Wrong. She is not old, not fat and certainly not ugly. (she is not the bracketted one either) If you were a man you would not write that in Turkish.

Stick to the topic if you can manage that.

The bitch part you mean? Even south cypriots say she's old. (the posts made by GCs about her teeth were funny indeed)

Yes the topic is Turkish army. How many hours did it take the Turkish army to take one third of Cyprus? You are fucking afraid of that army and all you can do is to post on Cyprus Problem section a Turkish ship hitting a rock on the Aegean. (maybe even a Turkish rock) Congrats Lit for your precious contribution.

WRONG. The topic is the Turkish NAVY.

face it skidmark, it was a farcical invasion and turkey had 1000's of casualties against a civil war torn island of 500,000 people. You were dropping shooting ducks paratroopers at 747 cruising altitudes FFS!! Try it again shitbreak and lets see how many of your incest born cousins we'd take down with us.

[Get Real!]

Old fat ugly south cypriot killer...

Oh it's so true! DT is all that and more...

all those pushups on yfronts for nothing

How's it hanging down there?

[DT.]

Old fat ugly south cypriot killer...

Oh it's so true! DT is all that and more...

all those pushups on yfronts for nothing

How's it hanging down there?

Its getting better....yfronts discovered the positives of the Morphitiko aggouri. Less girth but reaches parts other aggourka don't.

[wyoming cowboy]

You Turkish bozo, the Turk invasion of Cyprus took three countries (UK<USA<TUrkey) to conduct. First the junta of Greece creates the coup, all major army groups are moved to the south of the island ie paphos larnaca limassol to quell the anticoupist....the north shore of the island is left undefended your glorious Jerkish army invades the left and right flanks of the turk navy is guarded by uk and usa frigates, Greece is hamstrung by the junta and the eventual overthrow of the junta... Your looses in cyprus surprised even your allies for the invasion, 38,000 casualties and 17,000 dead. After three weeks of fighting an army dissimated by a virtual civil war your glorious army could only manage to take 8 percent of the island...no airport and not the capital...with intelligence from the usa and kissingers statedept. your glorious army had to stage a second invasion with assurances from kissinger that Greece would not get involved....We see your ships grounding on a reef in
greece and also your own sinking of and major damage of two ships. On your own your army would run around in circles screaming for help from allah and mohammed....The Kurds a renegade ragtag group usually captures 7-8 of your boys and the whole world see them crying for their mommas.....Come and get the rest of cyprus if your capable now that the usa or uk arent holding your hand...

Some references Runway might want to look up- Greek War of Indepence, the liberation of Crete, Macedonian campaign, Balkan Wars, they led to the sixfold territorial gain. World war II and the cessation of the Dodecanese about completes the picture. Next step will be the 12 mile territorial sea extension which will happen despite the protests.

Now give us popsicle's birth date. Maybe some people want to send you a card and a cake.

Greece does not have a single victory against modern day Türkiye since 1922.(popsicle's birthday. You shall send the card to south cyprus greek administration) Latest confrontation was in 1974. They were so afraid they didn't even show up in Cyprus. You might want to take a map and compare modern day territories to see Greece is a tiny piece of land.

[runaway]

Words dont hurt, actions do.

You are right on this one rumdölü. Old fat ugly south cypriot killer lady (your orospu friend) can bark as much as she can, she is out of Northern Cypriot Turkish land for good and condemned to see the KKTC flag forever on the mountain top.

Wrong. She is not old, not fat and certainly not ugly. (she is not the bracketted one either) If you were a man you would not write that in Turkish.

Stick to the topic if you can manage that.

The bitch part you mean? Even south cypriots say she's old. (the posts made by GCs about her teeth were funny indeed)

Yes the topic is Turkish army. How many hours did it take the Turkish army to take one third of Cyprus? You are fucking afraid of that army and all you can do is to post on Cyprus Problem section a Turkish ship hitting a rock on the Aegean. (maybe even a Turkish rock) Congrats Lit for your precious contribution.

WRONG. The topic is the Turkish NAVY.

I thought navy was part of the army.

[runaway]

You Turkish bozo, the Turk invasion of Cyprus took three countries (UK<USA<TUrkey) to conduct. First the junta of Greece creates the coup, all major army groups are moved to the south of the island ie paphos larnaca limassol to quell the anticoupist....the north shore of the island is left undefended your glorious Jerkish army invades the left and right flanks of the turk navy is guarded by uk and usa frigates, Greece is hamstrung by the junta and the eventual overthrow of the junta... Your looses in cyprus surprised even your allies for the invasion, 38,000 casualties and 17,000 dead. After three weeks of fighting an army dissimated by a virtual civil war your glorious army could only manage to take 8 percent of the island...no airport and not the capital...with intelligence from the usa and kissingers statedept. your glorious army had to stage a second invasion with assurances from kissinger that Greece would not get involved....We see your ships grounding on a reef in
greece and also your own sinking of and major damage of two ships. On your own your army would run around in circles screaming for help from allah and mohammed....The Kurds a renegade ragtag group usually captures 7-8 of your boys and the whole world see them crying for their mommas.....Come and get the rest of cyprus if your capable now that the usa or uk arent holding your hand...

Some references Runway might want to look up- Greek War of Indepence, the liberation of Crete, Macedonian campaign, Balkan Wars, they led to the sixfold territorial gain. World war II and the cessation of the Dodecanese about completes the picture. Next step will be the 12 mile territorial sea extension which will happen despite the protests.

Now give us popsicle's birth date. Maybe some people want to send you a card and a cake.

Greece does not have a single victory against modern day Türkiye since 1922.(popsicle's birthday. You shall send the card to south cyprus greek administration) Latest confrontation was in 1974. They were so afraid they didn't even show up in Cyprus. You might want to take a map and compare modern day territories to see Greece is a tiny piece of land.

Why don't you take Girne back by force then? You will not be taking it back on the table you can be sure of that.

[Nikitas]

Runeway,

Are you so sure that ALL the TCs forcibly moved to Kyrenia want to be there? Have you asked them and know that you can speal on their behalf? I know several who think that Kyrenia sucks and would love to be able to return to their homes in Larnaca and Limassol. Thanks to to knuckleheads like you they are not going to be given the choice.

[runaway]

Runeway,

Are you so sure that ALL the TCs forcibly moved to Kyrenia want to be there? Have you asked them and know that you can speal on their behalf? I know several who think that Kyrenia sucks and would love to be able to return to their homes in Larnaca and Limassol. Thanks to to knuckleheads like you they are not going to be given the choice.

Some would love to return to Larnaca and Limassol but they will not choose to do that because it is not safe for them to live with gc s. They will be harassed and even killed. I don't see it charming living as a second-class minority in unsafe conditions in a greek cypriot state.

[Tim Drayton]

Do they have KKTC identity cards?

Are they entitled to have TRNC identity cards?

From the TRNC nationality law:

http://www.mahkemeler.net/birlestirilmis/25-1993.doc

4. (1) Kuzey Kıbrıs Türk Cumhuriyeti sınırları içinde veya dışında Kıbrıslı
Türk babadan olan veya Kıbrıslı Türk anadan doğan çocuklar,
doğumdan başlayarak Kuzey Kıbrıs Türk Cumhuriyeti yurttaşıdırlar.

Children born within or outside the borders of the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus of a father who is a Turkish Cypriot or a mother who is a Turkish Cypriot are citizens of the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus as of their birth.

So these people are not citizens of KKTC so they can't be a minority of this country.

You are operating under the premise that in order to constitute a national minority, the members of that minority must be citizens of that state. It is true that, while there are many provisions in international law for protecting the rights of national minorities, there exists no clear definition of the notion of ‘national minority’.

If for the sake of argument we were to accept the definition provided by an acknowledged expert in this field, Ilze Brands-Kehris, who is the director of the Latvian Centre for Human Rights and Ethnic Studies and in 2006 was elected to serve as the first Vice-President of the Advisory Committee on the Council of Europe Framework Convention on the Protection of National Minorities:

http://www.humanrights.org.lv/html/28210.html

Ilze Brands-Kehris suggests that the definition of the term national minority should include four criteria set by international law: 1) objective - a group whose members have ethnic, religious or linguistic features different from those of the rest of the population 2) subjective – a person himself/herself associates with a group that differs from the rest of the population 3) numerical – a minority may not be a numerical majority, 4) long-lasting relations with the state.

I think we can agree that, if we for the sake of argument accept that the TRNC is a legitimate political entity whose territory covers the area shown on maps issued by that entity (on which no enclaves appear), the Greek Cypriots living in and around Rizokarpaso would then constitute a national minority within that territory. I think points 1), 2) and 3) above are beyond dispute, and as to ‘long-lasting relations with the state’ one can point to the acceptance by the TRNC state since its proclamation of a separate Greek Cypriot muhtar in Rizokarpaso, the provision by that state of primary education and more recently secondary education through the medium of Greek to this community and the fact that TRNC ministries have sent greeting messages on the occasion of Orthodox Christian festivals to the Greek Cypriots living in this region (see my quote earlier in this thread) as evidence of relations with the ‘state’ that go back to its inception.

I am afraid that, under international law, citizenship is not necessarily a defining concept in determining whether a group is a national minority or not. In the case of Rizokarpaso we are talking about a group of people who were not only born in the territory which the TRNC claims as its own but are living in the village of their forefathers and in property to which they have title under international law. Under such circumstances, the passing a nationality law that defines citizenship in racial terms and so denies citizenship to these people – it is irrelevant here whether they wish to apply for citizenship of a self-proclaimed pseudostate that not even Turkey fully recognises – harks back to the Nazi Reich Citizenship Law of 1935 which removed German citizenship from Jews. This law is a travesty of natural justice and can only stand because it is a Micky-Mouse statute passed by an unrecognised state.