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[shahmaran]

You wanted to give Cyprus to Greece thinking that we would be OK we fought for survival and will continue to do so, thats why you wil never have full power over the whole island you cannot be trusted and we will always make sure of that.

And who are you to tell us where our island should belong? When you came to our island did you ask us if we wanted Cyprus to be given to the Ottomans?

I remember when the Turks where threatening Cyprus when we were about to unite with EU. As if we can not unite our own island with whomever we want and we have to get the permission of some foreign invader.

That is where you keep getting it wrong Piratis, this island is not yours!

And we have established that you had no right to Enosis what so ever, you do not even comply with the conditions the UN has set.

You can't ignore a huge amount of your population and "decide" to unite with Greece, that's how you loose half of the island...

What we established is that we had every right for Enosis, which you used force and blackmail in order to deprive us from it. I provided the facts already and this is clear to anybody with IQ over 100.

18% is not "huge". 82% is what is huge, and still you want to silence the vast majority of the Cypriot people and undemocratically impose your will on us.

We did not establish anything Piratis, you were just mumbling your usual crap and establishing fantasy "truths" all by yourself.

[Piratis]

You wanted to give Cyprus to Greece thinking that we would be OK we fought for survival and will continue to do so, thats why you wil never have full power over the whole island you cannot be trusted and we will always make sure of that.

And who are you to tell us where our island should belong? When you came to our island did you ask us if we wanted Cyprus to be given to the Ottomans?

I remember when the Turks where threatening Cyprus when we were about to unite with EU. As if we can not unite our own island with whomever we want and we have to get the permission of some foreign invader.

That is where you keep getting it wrong Piratis, this island is not yours!

And we have established that you had no right to Enosis what so ever, you do not even comply with the conditions the UN has set.

You can't ignore a huge amount of your population and "decide" to unite with Greece, that's how you loose half of the island...

What we established is that we had every right for Enosis, which you used force and blackmail in order to deprive us from it. I provided the facts already and this is clear to anybody with IQ over 100.

18% is not "huge". 82% is what is huge, and still you want to silence the vast majority of the Cypriot people and undemocratically impose your will on us.

Its at this point that you show how wrong you are, this island is belongs to all of us the fact that we arrived so many years ago does not make any difference and you cannot just brush us to one side when you wish to do something that will place us in danger or go against the constitution because it does not suit you. You need a lesson in understanding that running a nation means you cannot have everything your own way, you have to take into account all aspects of the country otherwise you will have rebellion.

Lets put it this way VP. Cyprus belongs as much to you, as Turkey belongs to the Greeks who live in Turkey and are Turkish citizens. Not less and not more.

[Piratis]

You wanted to give Cyprus to Greece thinking that we would be OK we fought for survival and will continue to do so, thats why you wil never have full power over the whole island you cannot be trusted and we will always make sure of that.

And who are you to tell us where our island should belong? When you came to our island did you ask us if we wanted Cyprus to be given to the Ottomans?

I remember when the Turks where threatening Cyprus when we were about to unite with EU. As if we can not unite our own island with whomever we want and we have to get the permission of some foreign invader.

That is where you keep getting it wrong Piratis, this island is not yours!

And we have established that you had no right to Enosis what so ever, you do not even comply with the conditions the UN has set.

You can't ignore a huge amount of your population and "decide" to unite with Greece, that's how you loose half of the island...

What we established is that we had every right for Enosis, which you used force and blackmail in order to deprive us from it. I provided the facts already and this is clear to anybody with IQ over 100.

18% is not "huge". 82% is what is huge, and still you want to silence the vast majority of the Cypriot people and undemocratically impose your will on us.

We did not establish anything Piratis, you were just mumbling your usual crap and establishing fantasy "truths" all by yourself.

I didn't expect you to admit defeat, although it was obvious. We both made our points, and people that read what we wrote can easily see who was saying the truth and who was writing crap.

[Viewpoint]

You wanted to give Cyprus to Greece thinking that we would be OK we fought for survival and will continue to do so, thats why you wil never have full power over the whole island you cannot be trusted and we will always make sure of that.

And who are you to tell us where our island should belong? When you came to our island did you ask us if we wanted Cyprus to be given to the Ottomans?

I remember when the Turks where threatening Cyprus when we were about to unite with EU. As if we can not unite our own island with whomever we want and we have to get the permission of some foreign invader.

That is where you keep getting it wrong Piratis, this island is not yours!

And we have established that you had no right to Enosis what so ever, you do not even comply with the conditions the UN has set.

You can't ignore a huge amount of your population and "decide" to unite with Greece, that's how you loose half of the island...

What we established is that we had every right for Enosis, which you used force and blackmail in order to deprive us from it. I provided the facts already and this is clear to anybody with IQ over 100.

18% is not "huge". 82% is what is huge, and still you want to silence the vast majority of the Cypriot people and undemocratically impose your will on us.

Its at this point that you show how wrong you are, this island is belongs to all of us the fact that we arrived so many years ago does not make any difference and you cannot just brush us to one side when you wish to do something that will place us in danger or go against the constitution because it does not suit you. You need a lesson in understanding that running a nation means you cannot have everything your own way, you have to take into account all aspects of the country otherwise you will have rebellion.

Lets put it this way VP. Cyprus belongs as much to you, as Turkey belongs to the Greeks who live in Turkey and are Turkish citizens. Not less and not more.

Are they also agreeing BBf with political equality backed by the rest of the world?

[Piratis]

You wanted to give Cyprus to Greece thinking that we would be OK we fought for survival and will continue to do so, thats why you wil never have full power over the whole island you cannot be trusted and we will always make sure of that.

And who are you to tell us where our island should belong? When you came to our island did you ask us if we wanted Cyprus to be given to the Ottomans?

I remember when the Turks where threatening Cyprus when we were about to unite with EU. As if we can not unite our own island with whomever we want and we have to get the permission of some foreign invader.

That is where you keep getting it wrong Piratis, this island is not yours!

And we have established that you had no right to Enosis what so ever, you do not even comply with the conditions the UN has set.

You can't ignore a huge amount of your population and "decide" to unite with Greece, that's how you loose half of the island...

What we established is that we had every right for Enosis, which you used force and blackmail in order to deprive us from it. I provided the facts already and this is clear to anybody with IQ over 100.

18% is not "huge". 82% is what is huge, and still you want to silence the vast majority of the Cypriot people and undemocratically impose your will on us.

Its at this point that you show how wrong you are, this island is belongs to all of us the fact that we arrived so many years ago does not make any difference and you cannot just brush us to one side when you wish to do something that will place us in danger or go against the constitution because it does not suit you. You need a lesson in understanding that running a nation means you cannot have everything your own way, you have to take into account all aspects of the country otherwise you will have rebellion.

Lets put it this way VP. Cyprus belongs as much to you, as Turkey belongs to the Greeks who live in Turkey and are Turkish citizens. Not less and not more.

Are they also agreeing BBf with political equality backed by the rest of the world?

The Greeks in Turkey? Of course they agree.

The Turks don't? If they don't, why? Double standards?

[halil]

WE ARE NOT TRYING TO PROVOKE OLD ENEMIES WE ARE REMEMBERING SO WE CAN DEVELOP NEW FRIENDSHIPS AND PEACE

‘Our people can be certain that all the sorrows we have endured were not for nothing. All the martyrs are not for nothing. All the migrations have not been lived for nothing. A lot of massacres took place in the Magusa region, Murataga, Atililar, Sandallar, Taskent and a lot of other villages. We have experienced quite a lot of pain. We have not forgotten this,’ said Talat.

He added ‘however we are not trying to provoke old enemies or wars we are remembering what happened so we can pave the way for new friendships and peace’.

[shahmaran]

You wanted to give Cyprus to Greece thinking that we would be OK we fought for survival and will continue to do so, thats why you wil never have full power over the whole island you cannot be trusted and we will always make sure of that.

And who are you to tell us where our island should belong? When you came to our island did you ask us if we wanted Cyprus to be given to the Ottomans?

I remember when the Turks where threatening Cyprus when we were about to unite with EU. As if we can not unite our own island with whomever we want and we have to get the permission of some foreign invader.

That is where you keep getting it wrong Piratis, this island is not yours!

And we have established that you had no right to Enosis what so ever, you do not even comply with the conditions the UN has set.

You can't ignore a huge amount of your population and "decide" to unite with Greece, that's how you loose half of the island...

What we established is that we had every right for Enosis, which you used force and blackmail in order to deprive us from it. I provided the facts already and this is clear to anybody with IQ over 100.

18% is not "huge". 82% is what is huge, and still you want to silence the vast majority of the Cypriot people and undemocratically impose your will on us.

We did not establish anything Piratis, you were just mumbling your usual crap and establishing fantasy "truths" all by yourself.

I didn't expect you to admit defeat, although it was obvious. We both made our points, and people that read what we wrote can easily see who was saying the truth and who was writing crap.

Likewise my friend.

You have to do a lot more than just post your personal "interpretations" of the UN laws, in order to be able to claim any victory and especially to claim them to be the "truth".

That is hardly a "proof" of your so called "right" for Enosis...

[Nikitas]

"You wanted to give Cyprus to Greece thinking that we would be OK we fought for survival and will continue to do so"

Objectively speaking, one has to wonder whether the TCs are better off than the moslems of northern Greece. It looks like the moslems there have a higher standard of living ,less imposition by outsiders, no influx of settlers. Above all their numbers are increasing while the TCs are decreasing. One of the ironies of history I guess......

[shahmaran]

Yes, that is why they are labeled as the "Muslims of Greece" and we as Cypriots.

I have only seen Alexandroupolis, Samothraki and Santorini, but so far I would honestly prefer Cyprus to Greece any day.

I know you always draw attention to our declining numbers Nikitas, but you seem to also believe that it is our own doing and nothing else, which does not seem to be entirely true.

[Piratis]

You wanted to give Cyprus to Greece thinking that we would be OK we fought for survival and will continue to do so, thats why you wil never have full power over the whole island you cannot be trusted and we will always make sure of that.

And who are you to tell us where our island should belong? When you came to our island did you ask us if we wanted Cyprus to be given to the Ottomans?

I remember when the Turks where threatening Cyprus when we were about to unite with EU. As if we can not unite our own island with whomever we want and we have to get the permission of some foreign invader.

That is where you keep getting it wrong Piratis, this island is not yours!

And we have established that you had no right to Enosis what so ever, you do not even comply with the conditions the UN has set.

You can't ignore a huge amount of your population and "decide" to unite with Greece, that's how you loose half of the island...

What we established is that we had every right for Enosis, which you used force and blackmail in order to deprive us from it. I provided the facts already and this is clear to anybody with IQ over 100.

18% is not "huge". 82% is what is huge, and still you want to silence the vast majority of the Cypriot people and undemocratically impose your will on us.

We did not establish anything Piratis, you were just mumbling your usual crap and establishing fantasy "truths" all by yourself.

I didn't expect you to admit defeat, although it was obvious. We both made our points, and people that read what we wrote can easily see who was saying the truth and who was writing crap.

Likewise my friend.

You have to do a lot more than just post your personal "interpretations" of the UN laws, in order to be able to claim any victory and especially to claim them to be the "truth".

That is hardly a "proof" of your so called "right" for Enosis...

Unlike you, who never posted a single evidence to support your nonsence, I quoted word for word from UN resolutions and what I said were basic facts and not mere "interpretations".

I will not repeat what I said several times in the other thread. As I said somebody reading the threat can very very very easily see who was stating facts and who was trying to find excuses by making up things.

But here is one more for you, since I like to make you look like a fool when you are trying to deny the obvious. Or maybe you learned your lesson?

RESOLUTION 541 (1983)

Adopted by the Security Council
on 18 November 1983



The Security Council,

Having heard the statement of the Foreign Minister of the Government of the Republic of Cyprus,

Concerned at the declaration by the Turkish Cypriot authorities issued on 15 November 1983 which purports to create an independent state in northern Cyprus,

Considering that this declaration is incompatible with the 1960 Treaty concerning the establishment of the Republic of Cyprus and the 1960 Treaty of Guarantee,

Considering therefore that the attempt to create a "Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus", is invalid, and will contribute to a worsening of the situation in Cyprus,

Reaffirming its resolutions 365(1974) and 367(1975),

Aware of the need for a solution of the Cyprus problem, based on the mission of good offices undertaken by the Secretary-General,

Affirming its continuing support for the United Nations Peace-Keeping Force in Cyprus,

Taking note of the Secretary-General's statement of 17 November 1983,

1. Deplores the declaration of the Turkish Cypriot authorities of the purported secession of part of the Republic of Cyprus;

2. Considers the declaration referred to above as legally invalid and calls for its withdrawal;

3. Calls for the urgent and effective implementation of its resolutions 365(1974) and 367(1975);

4. Requests the Secretary-General to pursue his mission of good offices in order to achieve the earliest possible progress towards a just and lasting settlement in Cyprus;

5. Calls upon the parties to cooperate fully with the Secretary-General in his mission of good offices;

6. Calls upon all States to respect the sovereignty, independence, territorial integrity and non-alignment of the Republic of Cyprus;

7. Calls upon all States not to recognise any Cypriot state other than the Republic of Cyprus;

8. Calls upon all States and the two communities in Cyprus to refrain from any action which might exacerbate the situation;

9. Requests the Secretary-General to keep the Security Council fully informed.

Adopted at the 2500th meeting by 13 votes to 1 against (Pakistan) with 1 abstention (Jordan).

From the above the conclusion is that your attempt to create some "trnc" is legally invalid, and the one and only state with sovereignty rights over the whole of Cyprus is the Republic of Cyprus. Do you have some other "interpretation"?

Halil should also read this, and understand that in Cyprus there is only one President, Dimitris Christofias, and the ministers are only those who participate in his government. Talat, Eroglou and similar are nothing more than puppets of Ankara.