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[brother]

and to think , we slog our guts out paying taxes for education.

bring back the stick

Totally agree and demetriou should be at the front of the line after his babbling above which makes no sense.

[demetriou_74]

and i will be the first person to turn round an crack him back

[brother]

Right now i want a full refund of my taxes

[demetriou_74]

Right now i want a full refund of my taxes

now if you had real brains bro you would pay that much tax

[metecyp]

Actually, the mentality that brought Enosis was that we as a people were being screwed over for over 500 years and did not want to suffer occupation anymore.

Having an independent Cyprus would very well end your people being "screwed over" and not suffer foreign occupation. You didn't need to ignore a good percentage of Cypriots (TCs) and ask for Enosis to stop being "screwed over by foreigners" if that was your ultimate goal (i.e. stopping foreign occupation).

But we all know that you wanted Enosis because your community makes up 82% of the island and your community thought that it was OK to ask for Enosis when the majority wants Enosis while ignoring a large section of Cypriot community and this is called "We're the majority, we can do whatever we like" mentality.

PS. Come on guys, don't ruin the discussion with one-liners again!

[Dhavlos]

i think you need to underdstand that it is probably the older generations that may still have sentiments to enois. I can safely say that i have never understood why enosis would be any good to cyprus...we would just be exploited by greece as a tourist spot, and the island would be spoilt just like the rest of the popular greek islands.

THe younger generations, especially in the UK i think, do not want anything like enosis cos we know that the RoC could be a country. In the old days, cyprus had never been a country before, so the people would have looked towards a higher power to 'control' them, just like the last 500 or so years, but instead of ottomans/british, it was the turn of the greeks they supposed.

the reason a bizonal solution would not be everlasting is of economic reasons.
Whatever the solution, unless there are restictions on population movements, then the GCs could easily buy back their land in the north. THey have to money, whereas the TCs dont(at the moment).

Longlive an independant cyprus....when it happens

[Turkey (( *]

What is the advantage for TCs here?? For the GCs they just buy their land back, that is a good thing for them. But why would the TCs accept such thing and unite together with GCs, they basically get nothing???

[Kifeas]

I would like to ask you here, how do you perceive the GC domination to materialize over the TCs and what are some of the things that make you so fearful of the GCs and thus not to trust them? I ask this question because in mind there is a strong impression that the mistrust and fear is used more of an excuse so that the TC elite can secure a solution which will allow them to keep going their own -separate- sweet way and at the same time enjoy the privileges of being an equal partner of a recognized government of the whole of Cyprus -something which they do not enjoy now.

You describe it so well that it almost makes me want to go my own seperate sweet way.

What I was trying to say Sadik is that the TC side (leadership and majority of people,) has not realised precisely, imo, what this solution is all about. My impression is that they believe it will be some kind of continuation of the TRNC, with the only difference that they will just give back some land and in exchange they will become co-partners of the new UCR.

Just to give you an example. The TC side supposedly accepted that certain, very small compared to the amount of extra territory, percentage of GCs will be residing in the TCC State and will also obtain the internal “citizenship” of the State. That means that these GCs should enjoy all the political, human and cultural rights, like any other TC will naturally have, at least at the Sate level. (As the A-plan prescribed.) Did the TC side properly understood and acknowledged this fact? The answer is “No!”

Just read the constitution of the TCC State and you will see what I mean. The TC side somehow anticipates or indirectly proclaims what I would call the “Turkification” of these people. Anyone, in order to be eligible for election in any public post, from Azas in ones village to an MP in the State Parliament, must speak the only official language of the State, which is Turkish. Furthermore, anyone elected in the TC constituent State’s parliament, is required to take an oath of respect and adherence to Atatürk’s principles. Which GC will accept to do such a thing? None!

That means that GCs residing permanently in the TC State will be indirectly excluded from participating into any political activity, especially at a higher level. What role will the hypothetical 18% of the TC State’s population will be playing? Will that be the role of simple residents and/or tourists and simple taxes payers? Since when the TCCS, a State of the EU member -United Republic of Cyprus, should have a constitution that adheres to the principles of Atatürk, the founder of Turkey, another third Country? Is the TCCS going to be just another Province of Turkey or a federal State of EU member Cyprus?

This is what I meant when I said that the TC leadership / elite want to continue having their own –separate- sweet way and still claim to be partners in the Cypriot government.

Furthermore, if this will be the case, (and it seems so,) why should the GC side accept that the TC community would have 29% of the territory, if it will mean it’s complete “Turkification” and subsequent indirect permanent exclusion of the Greek Cypriot element from these areas?

[Dhavlos]

thats why im saying a bizonal solution is not the answer

GCs will want to go back to their villages and the TCs will be outnumbered again

however, if TCs were to go back to their villages, which usually are grouped together, then a multizonal solution could be ther answer....just a suggestion

Im not trying to be antiTC here, but it is just the truth...

[Turkey (( *]

- Wait what do you mean back to their villages, where are these villages be situated?
- And you said "I am not trying to be anti-TC here, but it is just the truth...", did you mean you are an anti-TC but not trying to be one???