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[insan]

. More than 80% of the Cypriot people wanted ENOSIS.
Wrong with hindsight but quite right at the time. .

You backward apologist!

Why were 80% of the Cypriots who wanted Enosis wrong according to your superior hindsight?

It may be unnecessary for survival NOW ... but how can you be so confident it was wrong of them to seek it then?

We were wrong because we did not know what scum bugs the Kalamaras were , and we were mentally raped at school so as not to be proud of being Greek Cypriots but forced into believing that we were Greeks.
Enosis with Greece was , mitera Ellada , paramithai tis halimas , nonsense that we fell for because my dear we knew nothing better.
I told you before , I know the Greeks far better than you ever will , and I dont consider them worthy of us Cypriots ( Ta kipriaka gaidouria) to be part of them.
While I'm at it let me get something else of my chest.
I watch Greek TV as well as Cyprus TV.
My favourite Greek tv show is " STIN IYIA SAS RE PEDIA.
I like it because at times it features some of the greatest Greek singers of our times.
What I hate is how utterly unsophisticated the guests can at times be. They smoke like bloody chimneys , they do not have the fucking sense to know that their disgusting dated third world habit can influence the young in thinking that it is cool to smoke.

Last night it was taken off and replaced by a religious programme that bored the pants of me within 10 seconds.
Hell woman , you join the Greeks we are fine as we are , proud Cypriots , better mannered , better ...lovers and , apart from Plonker G.Michael better socialites !!!

ps. I do like the Greeks really , love taking the piss when I'm around them !!

May be Cyprus should have remained under British Colonial rule something you would have continued to enjoy with your fellow Brits and turks.

Who said that !!
I have never uttered one word criticizing the struggle of 1955-59 .
I have many British relations and friends as well as many T/C friends that make much more of a contribution to our struggle to unite our island than you and your fellow pseudo patriots !!
Kikapu , Birkibrisly , Iceman , Cem , Vuryek Umit o7 Deniz and many many more have been more constructive to the unification efforts than any of you will ever be.
There are hundreds if not thousands of T/Cs that want an independent and united Cyprus with all foreign troops removed . Are they concerned about the fact that amongst us exist extreme anti Cypriot elements ? I think they are .

From the way you write when not using foul language, you are totally against ENOSIS. It is easy to condemn ENOSIS 50 years on. What we must try to understand is why the vast majority of Greek Cypriots demanded enosis at the time. They wanted freedom, freedom from Colonial rule. Enosis was denied to Cyprus by the British who wanted to keep Cyprus as a military base, that is why they created the Turkish Minority problem. Under the 1923 Lausanne Treaty, Turkey relinquished all rights on Cyprus and the only way the turks got back in was because of British propaganda. Britain had always considered giving Cyprus to Greece but they feared that Greece could one day become Communist and their military base on Cyprus be lost. Cypriot enosis was no different to that of CRETE according to British historical papers.

British didn't create Turkish minority problem in Cyprus. Brits had/have common interests both with Turks and Greeks. They were in same alliance after all. Brits exerted to protect their own interests in Cyprus besides find a solution to satisfactory for Cypriots, Greece and Turkey...

In order to protect their military interests the British were passing all secrets to the Turks when they had no right of intervention under the 1923 Lausanne Treaty because Turkey gave up all its rights to CYPRUS. Read the papers released by the British Govt they are available to read then maybe you will change your mind. The Cypriots were used as pawns in a big chess end game !

Turkey gave up all her rights on Cyprus with Lausanne treaty under those days circumstances and heavy pressure just like Greece and GCs supposedly gave up struggling for Enosis with 60s treaties under then the circumstances.

TCs had never given up struggling for their rights and interests in Cyprus since Ottomans ceded Cyprus to Brits. It's true that TCs collaborated both with Brits and Turkey for their own interests. On the other hand, TCs together with Turkey, Brits and some other allies struggled for a solution satisfactory to all other allies including the so-called friends and allies GCs and Greeks.

Nevertheless, GCs and Greeks have mostly struggled only for their interests and Hellenism in Cyprus. The extra-ordinary political circumstances of Greece from 50s and onwards, gave Greece and GCs too many opportunities to abuse the political environment all for their own national interests that led to decades lasted defacto situation in Cyprus.

[Byron]

. More than 80% of the Cypriot people wanted ENOSIS.
Wrong with hindsight but quite right at the time. .

You backward apologist!

Why were 80% of the Cypriots who wanted Enosis wrong according to your superior hindsight?

It may be unnecessary for survival NOW ... but how can you be so confident it was wrong of them to seek it then?

We were wrong because we did not know what scum bugs the Kalamaras were , and we were mentally raped at school so as not to be proud of being Greek Cypriots but forced into believing that we were Greeks.
Enosis with Greece was , mitera Ellada , paramithai tis halimas , nonsense that we fell for because my dear we knew nothing better.
I told you before , I know the Greeks far better than you ever will , and I dont consider them worthy of us Cypriots ( Ta kipriaka gaidouria) to be part of them.
While I'm at it let me get something else of my chest.
I watch Greek TV as well as Cyprus TV.
My favourite Greek tv show is " STIN IYIA SAS RE PEDIA.
I like it because at times it features some of the greatest Greek singers of our times.
What I hate is how utterly unsophisticated the guests can at times be. They smoke like bloody chimneys , they do not have the fucking sense to know that their disgusting dated third world habit can influence the young in thinking that it is cool to smoke.

Last night it was taken off and replaced by a religious programme that bored the pants of me within 10 seconds.
Hell woman , you join the Greeks we are fine as we are , proud Cypriots , better mannered , better ...lovers and , apart from Plonker G.Michael better socialites !!!

ps. I do like the Greeks really , love taking the piss when I'm around them !!

May be Cyprus should have remained under British Colonial rule something you would have continued to enjoy with your fellow Brits and turks.

Who said that !!
I have never uttered one word criticizing the struggle of 1955-59 .
I have many British relations and friends as well as many T/C friends that make much more of a contribution to our struggle to unite our island than you and your fellow pseudo patriots !!
Kikapu , Birkibrisly , Iceman , Cem , Vuryek Umit o7 Deniz and many many more have been more constructive to the unification efforts than any of you will ever be.
There are hundreds if not thousands of T/Cs that want an independent and united Cyprus with all foreign troops removed . Are they concerned about the fact that amongst us exist extreme anti Cypriot elements ? I think they are .

From the way you write when not using foul language, you are totally against ENOSIS. It is easy to condemn ENOSIS 50 years on. What we must try to understand is why the vast majority of Greek Cypriots demanded enosis at the time. They wanted freedom, freedom from Colonial rule. Enosis was denied to Cyprus by the British who wanted to keep Cyprus as a military base, that is why they created the Turkish Minority problem. Under the 1923 Lausanne Treaty, Turkey relinquished all rights on Cyprus and the only way the turks got back in was because of British propaganda. Britain had always considered giving Cyprus to Greece but they feared that Greece could one day become Communist and their military base on Cyprus be lost. Cypriot enosis was no different to that of CRETE according to British historical papers.

British didn't create Turkish minority problem in Cyprus. Brits had/have common interests both with Turks and Greeks. They were in same alliance after all. Brits exerted to protect their own interests in Cyprus besides find a solution to satisfactory for Cypriots, Greece and Turkey...

In order to protect their military interests the British were passing all secrets to the Turks when they had no right of intervention under the 1923 Lausanne Treaty because Turkey gave up all its rights to CYPRUS. Read the papers released by the British Govt they are available to read then maybe you will change your mind. The Cypriots were used as pawns in a big chess end game !

Turkey gave up all her rights on Cyprus with Lausanne treaty under those days circumstances and heavy pressure just like Greece and GCs supposedly gave up struggling for Enosis with 60s treaties under then the circumstances.

TCs had never given up struggling for their rights and interests in Cyprus since Ottomans ceded Cyprus to Brits. It's true that TCs collaborated both with Brits and Turkey for their own interests. On the other hand, TCs together with Turkey, Brits and some other allies struggled for a solution satisfactory to all other allies including the so-called friends and allies GCs and Greeks.

Nevertheless, GCs and Greeks have mostly struggled only for their interests and Hellenism in Cyprus. The extra-ordinary political circumstances of Greece from 50s and onwards, gave Greece and GCs too many opportunities to abuse the political environment all for their own national interests that led to decades lasted defacto situation in Cyprus.

It is pleasing to see a Turk confirming that TURKEY gave up its rights to Cyprus under the 1923 Lausanne Treaty. The Turkish Cypriot minority was no different to any other minority. However you do not see Turkey offering equal status to the KURDS now do you ?

[insan]

. More than 80% of the Cypriot people wanted ENOSIS.
Wrong with hindsight but quite right at the time. .

You backward apologist!

Why were 80% of the Cypriots who wanted Enosis wrong according to your superior hindsight?

It may be unnecessary for survival NOW ... but how can you be so confident it was wrong of them to seek it then?

We were wrong because we did not know what scum bugs the Kalamaras were , and we were mentally raped at school so as not to be proud of being Greek Cypriots but forced into believing that we were Greeks.
Enosis with Greece was , mitera Ellada , paramithai tis halimas , nonsense that we fell for because my dear we knew nothing better.
I told you before , I know the Greeks far better than you ever will , and I dont consider them worthy of us Cypriots ( Ta kipriaka gaidouria) to be part of them.
While I'm at it let me get something else of my chest.
I watch Greek TV as well as Cyprus TV.
My favourite Greek tv show is " STIN IYIA SAS RE PEDIA.
I like it because at times it features some of the greatest Greek singers of our times.
What I hate is how utterly unsophisticated the guests can at times be. They smoke like bloody chimneys , they do not have the fucking sense to know that their disgusting dated third world habit can influence the young in thinking that it is cool to smoke.

Last night it was taken off and replaced by a religious programme that bored the pants of me within 10 seconds.
Hell woman , you join the Greeks we are fine as we are , proud Cypriots , better mannered , better ...lovers and , apart from Plonker G.Michael better socialites !!!

ps. I do like the Greeks really , love taking the piss when I'm around them !!

May be Cyprus should have remained under British Colonial rule something you would have continued to enjoy with your fellow Brits and turks.

Who said that !!
I have never uttered one word criticizing the struggle of 1955-59 .
I have many British relations and friends as well as many T/C friends that make much more of a contribution to our struggle to unite our island than you and your fellow pseudo patriots !!
Kikapu , Birkibrisly , Iceman , Cem , Vuryek Umit o7 Deniz and many many more have been more constructive to the unification efforts than any of you will ever be.
There are hundreds if not thousands of T/Cs that want an independent and united Cyprus with all foreign troops removed . Are they concerned about the fact that amongst us exist extreme anti Cypriot elements ? I think they are .

From the way you write when not using foul language, you are totally against ENOSIS. It is easy to condemn ENOSIS 50 years on. What we must try to understand is why the vast majority of Greek Cypriots demanded enosis at the time. They wanted freedom, freedom from Colonial rule. Enosis was denied to Cyprus by the British who wanted to keep Cyprus as a military base, that is why they created the Turkish Minority problem. Under the 1923 Lausanne Treaty, Turkey relinquished all rights on Cyprus and the only way the turks got back in was because of British propaganda. Britain had always considered giving Cyprus to Greece but they feared that Greece could one day become Communist and their military base on Cyprus be lost. Cypriot enosis was no different to that of CRETE according to British historical papers.

British didn't create Turkish minority problem in Cyprus. Brits had/have common interests both with Turks and Greeks. They were in same alliance after all. Brits exerted to protect their own interests in Cyprus besides find a solution to satisfactory for Cypriots, Greece and Turkey...

In order to protect their military interests the British were passing all secrets to the Turks when they had no right of intervention under the 1923 Lausanne Treaty because Turkey gave up all its rights to CYPRUS. Read the papers released by the British Govt they are available to read then maybe you will change your mind. The Cypriots were used as pawns in a big chess end game !

Turkey gave up all her rights on Cyprus with Lausanne treaty under those days circumstances and heavy pressure just like Greece and GCs supposedly gave up struggling for Enosis with 60s treaties under then the circumstances.

TCs had never given up struggling for their rights and interests in Cyprus since Ottomans ceded Cyprus to Brits. It's true that TCs collaborated both with Brits and Turkey for their own interests. On the other hand, TCs together with Turkey, Brits and some other allies struggled for a solution satisfactory to all other allies including the so-called friends and allies GCs and Greeks.

Nevertheless, GCs and Greeks have mostly struggled only for their interests and Hellenism in Cyprus. The extra-ordinary political circumstances of Greece from 50s and onwards, gave Greece and GCs too many opportunities to abuse the political environment all for their own national interests that led to decades lasted defacto situation in Cyprus.

It is pleasing to see a Turk confirming that TURKEY gave up its rights to Cyprus under the 1923 Lausanne Treaty. The Turkish Cypriot minority was no different to any other minority. However you do not see Turkey offering equal status to the KURDS now do you ?

Kurdish problem is different than the Cyprus problem by many ways. Turks and Kurds fought together a big war against enemies and formed The Republic of Turkey.

The motives behind the early Kurdish riots were religous. After the independence war of all nation states, almost all governments made nation building plans and put them in action. Didn't GOG do the same to it's minorities?

Governments of Turkey failed it's nation building process because of many reasons...

It seems like the region of Turkey mostly inhabitted by Kurds will become an autonomous region in near future and by depending the political circumstances Kurds might demand self-determination right after a decade or so...

In my opinion, there r no similarities between Kurdish problem and Cyprus problem...

[Byron]

. More than 80% of the Cypriot people wanted ENOSIS.
Wrong with hindsight but quite right at the time. .

You backward apologist!

Why were 80% of the Cypriots who wanted Enosis wrong according to your superior hindsight?

It may be unnecessary for survival NOW ... but how can you be so confident it was wrong of them to seek it then?

We were wrong because we did not know what scum bugs the Kalamaras were , and we were mentally raped at school so as not to be proud of being Greek Cypriots but forced into believing that we were Greeks.
Enosis with Greece was , mitera Ellada , paramithai tis halimas , nonsense that we fell for because my dear we knew nothing better.
I told you before , I know the Greeks far better than you ever will , and I dont consider them worthy of us Cypriots ( Ta kipriaka gaidouria) to be part of them.
While I'm at it let me get something else of my chest.
I watch Greek TV as well as Cyprus TV.
My favourite Greek tv show is " STIN IYIA SAS RE PEDIA.
I like it because at times it features some of the greatest Greek singers of our times.
What I hate is how utterly unsophisticated the guests can at times be. They smoke like bloody chimneys , they do not have the fucking sense to know that their disgusting dated third world habit can influence the young in thinking that it is cool to smoke.

Last night it was taken off and replaced by a religious programme that bored the pants of me within 10 seconds.
Hell woman , you join the Greeks we are fine as we are , proud Cypriots , better mannered , better ...lovers and , apart from Plonker G.Michael better socialites !!!

ps. I do like the Greeks really , love taking the piss when I'm around them !!

May be Cyprus should have remained under British Colonial rule something you would have continued to enjoy with your fellow Brits and turks.

Who said that !!
I have never uttered one word criticizing the struggle of 1955-59 .
I have many British relations and friends as well as many T/C friends that make much more of a contribution to our struggle to unite our island than you and your fellow pseudo patriots !!
Kikapu , Birkibrisly , Iceman , Cem , Vuryek Umit o7 Deniz and many many more have been more constructive to the unification efforts than any of you will ever be.
There are hundreds if not thousands of T/Cs that want an independent and united Cyprus with all foreign troops removed . Are they concerned about the fact that amongst us exist extreme anti Cypriot elements ? I think they are .

From the way you write when not using foul language, you are totally against ENOSIS. It is easy to condemn ENOSIS 50 years on. What we must try to understand is why the vast majority of Greek Cypriots demanded enosis at the time. They wanted freedom, freedom from Colonial rule. Enosis was denied to Cyprus by the British who wanted to keep Cyprus as a military base, that is why they created the Turkish Minority problem. Under the 1923 Lausanne Treaty, Turkey relinquished all rights on Cyprus and the only way the turks got back in was because of British propaganda. Britain had always considered giving Cyprus to Greece but they feared that Greece could one day become Communist and their military base on Cyprus be lost. Cypriot enosis was no different to that of CRETE according to British historical papers.

British didn't create Turkish minority problem in Cyprus. Brits had/have common interests both with Turks and Greeks. They were in same alliance after all. Brits exerted to protect their own interests in Cyprus besides find a solution to satisfactory for Cypriots, Greece and Turkey...

In order to protect their military interests the British were passing all secrets to the Turks when they had no right of intervention under the 1923 Lausanne Treaty because Turkey gave up all its rights to CYPRUS. Read the papers released by the British Govt they are available to read then maybe you will change your mind. The Cypriots were used as pawns in a big chess end game !

Turkey gave up all her rights on Cyprus with Lausanne treaty under those days circumstances and heavy pressure just like Greece and GCs supposedly gave up struggling for Enosis with 60s treaties under then the circumstances.

TCs had never given up struggling for their rights and interests in Cyprus since Ottomans ceded Cyprus to Brits. It's true that TCs collaborated both with Brits and Turkey for their own interests. On the other hand, TCs together with Turkey, Brits and some other allies struggled for a solution satisfactory to all other allies including the so-called friends and allies GCs and Greeks.

Nevertheless, GCs and Greeks have mostly struggled only for their interests and Hellenism in Cyprus. The extra-ordinary political circumstances of Greece from 50s and onwards, gave Greece and GCs too many opportunities to abuse the political environment all for their own national interests that led to decades lasted defacto situation in Cyprus.

It is pleasing to see a Turk confirming that TURKEY gave up its rights to Cyprus under the 1923 Lausanne Treaty. The Turkish Cypriot minority was no different to any other minority. However you do not see Turkey offering equal status to the KURDS now do you ?

Kurdish problem is different than the Cyprus problem by many ways. Turks and Kurds fought together a big war against enemies and formed The Republic of Turkey.

The motives behind the early Kurdish riots were religous. After the independence war of all nation states, almost all governments made nation building plans and put them in action. Didn't GOG do the same to it's minorities?

Governments of Turkey failed it's nation building process because of many reasons...

It seems like the region of Turkey mostly inhabitted by Kurds will become an autonomous region in near future and by depending the political circumstances Kurds might demand self-determination right after a decade or so...

In my opinion, there r no similarities between Kurdish problem and Cyprus problem...

Perhaps not .... but
If all the inhabitants of Cyprus emigrated to Malta should we declare partition in Malta or should we respect Maltese Laws ?

[insan]

. More than 80% of the Cypriot people wanted ENOSIS.
Wrong with hindsight but quite right at the time. .

You backward apologist!

Why were 80% of the Cypriots who wanted Enosis wrong according to your superior hindsight?

It may be unnecessary for survival NOW ... but how can you be so confident it was wrong of them to seek it then?

We were wrong because we did not know what scum bugs the Kalamaras were , and we were mentally raped at school so as not to be proud of being Greek Cypriots but forced into believing that we were Greeks.
Enosis with Greece was , mitera Ellada , paramithai tis halimas , nonsense that we fell for because my dear we knew nothing better.
I told you before , I know the Greeks far better than you ever will , and I dont consider them worthy of us Cypriots ( Ta kipriaka gaidouria) to be part of them.
While I'm at it let me get something else of my chest.
I watch Greek TV as well as Cyprus TV.
My favourite Greek tv show is " STIN IYIA SAS RE PEDIA.
I like it because at times it features some of the greatest Greek singers of our times.
What I hate is how utterly unsophisticated the guests can at times be. They smoke like bloody chimneys , they do not have the fucking sense to know that their disgusting dated third world habit can influence the young in thinking that it is cool to smoke.

Last night it was taken off and replaced by a religious programme that bored the pants of me within 10 seconds.
Hell woman , you join the Greeks we are fine as we are , proud Cypriots , better mannered , better ...lovers and , apart from Plonker G.Michael better socialites !!!

ps. I do like the Greeks really , love taking the piss when I'm around them !!

May be Cyprus should have remained under British Colonial rule something you would have continued to enjoy with your fellow Brits and turks.

Who said that !!
I have never uttered one word criticizing the struggle of 1955-59 .
I have many British relations and friends as well as many T/C friends that make much more of a contribution to our struggle to unite our island than you and your fellow pseudo patriots !!
Kikapu , Birkibrisly , Iceman , Cem , Vuryek Umit o7 Deniz and many many more have been more constructive to the unification efforts than any of you will ever be.
There are hundreds if not thousands of T/Cs that want an independent and united Cyprus with all foreign troops removed . Are they concerned about the fact that amongst us exist extreme anti Cypriot elements ? I think they are .

From the way you write when not using foul language, you are totally against ENOSIS. It is easy to condemn ENOSIS 50 years on. What we must try to understand is why the vast majority of Greek Cypriots demanded enosis at the time. They wanted freedom, freedom from Colonial rule. Enosis was denied to Cyprus by the British who wanted to keep Cyprus as a military base, that is why they created the Turkish Minority problem. Under the 1923 Lausanne Treaty, Turkey relinquished all rights on Cyprus and the only way the turks got back in was because of British propaganda. Britain had always considered giving Cyprus to Greece but they feared that Greece could one day become Communist and their military base on Cyprus be lost. Cypriot enosis was no different to that of CRETE according to British historical papers.

British didn't create Turkish minority problem in Cyprus. Brits had/have common interests both with Turks and Greeks. They were in same alliance after all. Brits exerted to protect their own interests in Cyprus besides find a solution to satisfactory for Cypriots, Greece and Turkey...

In order to protect their military interests the British were passing all secrets to the Turks when they had no right of intervention under the 1923 Lausanne Treaty because Turkey gave up all its rights to CYPRUS. Read the papers released by the British Govt they are available to read then maybe you will change your mind. The Cypriots were used as pawns in a big chess end game !

Turkey gave up all her rights on Cyprus with Lausanne treaty under those days circumstances and heavy pressure just like Greece and GCs supposedly gave up struggling for Enosis with 60s treaties under then the circumstances.

TCs had never given up struggling for their rights and interests in Cyprus since Ottomans ceded Cyprus to Brits. It's true that TCs collaborated both with Brits and Turkey for their own interests. On the other hand, TCs together with Turkey, Brits and some other allies struggled for a solution satisfactory to all other allies including the so-called friends and allies GCs and Greeks.

Nevertheless, GCs and Greeks have mostly struggled only for their interests and Hellenism in Cyprus. The extra-ordinary political circumstances of Greece from 50s and onwards, gave Greece and GCs too many opportunities to abuse the political environment all for their own national interests that led to decades lasted defacto situation in Cyprus.

It is pleasing to see a Turk confirming that TURKEY gave up its rights to Cyprus under the 1923 Lausanne Treaty. The Turkish Cypriot minority was no different to any other minority. However you do not see Turkey offering equal status to the KURDS now do you ?

Kurdish problem is different than the Cyprus problem by many ways. Turks and Kurds fought together a big war against enemies and formed The Republic of Turkey.

The motives behind the early Kurdish riots were religous. After the independence war of all nation states, almost all governments made nation building plans and put them in action. Didn't GOG do the same to it's minorities?

Governments of Turkey failed it's nation building process because of many reasons...

It seems like the region of Turkey mostly inhabitted by Kurds will become an autonomous region in near future and by depending the political circumstances Kurds might demand self-determination right after a decade or so...

In my opinion, there r no similarities between Kurdish problem and Cyprus problem...

Perhaps not .... but
If all the inhabitants of Cyprus emigrated to Malta should we declare partition in Malta or should we respect Maltese Laws ?

What u say is an unrealistic "if" that would never happen. The Cyprus Problem initiated by the natural course of history in perfect correlation with the relations of all concerned parties.

[DT.]

What u say is an unrealistic "if" that would never happen. The Cyprus Problem initiated by the natural course of history in perfect correlation with the relations of all concerned parties.

You call an invaison and colonisation in 1570 and an invasion and occupation in 74 "natural course of history?"

[insan]

What u say is an unrealistic "if" that would never happen. The Cyprus Problem initiated by the natural course of history in perfect correlation with the relations of all concerned parties.

You call an invaison and colonisation in 1570 and an invasion and occupation in 74 "natural course of history?"

That's ur simplistic, propagandist and unintellectual approachment...

[Byron]

. More than 80% of the Cypriot people wanted ENOSIS.
Wrong with hindsight but quite right at the time. .

You backward apologist!

Why were 80% of the Cypriots who wanted Enosis wrong according to your superior hindsight?

It may be unnecessary for survival NOW ... but how can you be so confident it was wrong of them to seek it then?

We were wrong because we did not know what scum bugs the Kalamaras were , and we were mentally raped at school so as not to be proud of being Greek Cypriots but forced into believing that we were Greeks.
Enosis with Greece was , mitera Ellada , paramithai tis halimas , nonsense that we fell for because my dear we knew nothing better.
I told you before , I know the Greeks far better than you ever will , and I dont consider them worthy of us Cypriots ( Ta kipriaka gaidouria) to be part of them.
While I'm at it let me get something else of my chest.
I watch Greek TV as well as Cyprus TV.
My favourite Greek tv show is " STIN IYIA SAS RE PEDIA.
I like it because at times it features some of the greatest Greek singers of our times.
What I hate is how utterly unsophisticated the guests can at times be. They smoke like bloody chimneys , they do not have the fucking sense to know that their disgusting dated third world habit can influence the young in thinking that it is cool to smoke.

Last night it was taken off and replaced by a religious programme that bored the pants of me within 10 seconds.
Hell woman , you join the Greeks we are fine as we are , proud Cypriots , better mannered , better ...lovers and , apart from Plonker G.Michael better socialites !!!

ps. I do like the Greeks really , love taking the piss when I'm around them !!

May be Cyprus should have remained under British Colonial rule something you would have continued to enjoy with your fellow Brits and turks.

Who said that !!
I have never uttered one word criticizing the struggle of 1955-59 .
I have many British relations and friends as well as many T/C friends that make much more of a contribution to our struggle to unite our island than you and your fellow pseudo patriots !!
Kikapu , Birkibrisly , Iceman , Cem , Vuryek Umit o7 Deniz and many many more have been more constructive to the unification efforts than any of you will ever be.
There are hundreds if not thousands of T/Cs that want an independent and united Cyprus with all foreign troops removed . Are they concerned about the fact that amongst us exist extreme anti Cypriot elements ? I think they are .

From the way you write when not using foul language, you are totally against ENOSIS. It is easy to condemn ENOSIS 50 years on. What we must try to understand is why the vast majority of Greek Cypriots demanded enosis at the time. They wanted freedom, freedom from Colonial rule. Enosis was denied to Cyprus by the British who wanted to keep Cyprus as a military base, that is why they created the Turkish Minority problem. Under the 1923 Lausanne Treaty, Turkey relinquished all rights on Cyprus and the only way the turks got back in was because of British propaganda. Britain had always considered giving Cyprus to Greece but they feared that Greece could one day become Communist and their military base on Cyprus be lost. Cypriot enosis was no different to that of CRETE according to British historical papers.

British didn't create Turkish minority problem in Cyprus. Brits had/have common interests both with Turks and Greeks. They were in same alliance after all. Brits exerted to protect their own interests in Cyprus besides find a solution to satisfactory for Cypriots, Greece and Turkey...

In order to protect their military interests the British were passing all secrets to the Turks when they had no right of intervention under the 1923 Lausanne Treaty because Turkey gave up all its rights to CYPRUS. Read the papers released by the British Govt they are available to read then maybe you will change your mind. The Cypriots were used as pawns in a big chess end game !

Turkey gave up all her rights on Cyprus with Lausanne treaty under those days circumstances and heavy pressure just like Greece and GCs supposedly gave up struggling for Enosis with 60s treaties under then the circumstances.

TCs had never given up struggling for their rights and interests in Cyprus since Ottomans ceded Cyprus to Brits. It's true that TCs collaborated both with Brits and Turkey for their own interests. On the other hand, TCs together with Turkey, Brits and some other allies struggled for a solution satisfactory to all other allies including the so-called friends and allies GCs and Greeks.

Nevertheless, GCs and Greeks have mostly struggled only for their interests and Hellenism in Cyprus. The extra-ordinary political circumstances of Greece from 50s and onwards, gave Greece and GCs too many opportunities to abuse the political environment all for their own national interests that led to decades lasted defacto situation in Cyprus.

It is pleasing to see a Turk confirming that TURKEY gave up its rights to Cyprus under the 1923 Lausanne Treaty. The Turkish Cypriot minority was no different to any other minority. However you do not see Turkey offering equal status to the KURDS now do you ?

Kurdish problem is different than the Cyprus problem by many ways. Turks and Kurds fought together a big war against enemies and formed The Republic of Turkey.

The motives behind the early Kurdish riots were religous. After the independence war of all nation states, almost all governments made nation building plans and put them in action. Didn't GOG do the same to it's minorities?

Governments of Turkey failed it's nation building process because of many reasons...

It seems like the region of Turkey mostly inhabitted by Kurds will become an autonomous region in near future and by depending the political circumstances Kurds might demand self-determination right after a decade or so...

In my opinion, there r no similarities between Kurdish problem and Cyprus problem...

Perhaps not .... but
If all the inhabitants of Cyprus emigrated to Malta should we declare partition in Malta or should we respect Maltese Laws ?

What u say is an unrealistic "if" that would never happen. The Cyprus Problem initiated by the natural course of history in perfect correlation with the relations of all concerned parties.

Why do you say it is an unrealistic "if " ? How do you explain the large numbers of Turkish Settlers in Cyprus, I suppose that is a big "if " too .

[insan]

. More than 80% of the Cypriot people wanted ENOSIS.
Wrong with hindsight but quite right at the time. .

You backward apologist!

Why were 80% of the Cypriots who wanted Enosis wrong according to your superior hindsight?

It may be unnecessary for survival NOW ... but how can you be so confident it was wrong of them to seek it then?

We were wrong because we did not know what scum bugs the Kalamaras were , and we were mentally raped at school so as not to be proud of being Greek Cypriots but forced into believing that we were Greeks.
Enosis with Greece was , mitera Ellada , paramithai tis halimas , nonsense that we fell for because my dear we knew nothing better.
I told you before , I know the Greeks far better than you ever will , and I dont consider them worthy of us Cypriots ( Ta kipriaka gaidouria) to be part of them.
While I'm at it let me get something else of my chest.
I watch Greek TV as well as Cyprus TV.
My favourite Greek tv show is " STIN IYIA SAS RE PEDIA.
I like it because at times it features some of the greatest Greek singers of our times.
What I hate is how utterly unsophisticated the guests can at times be. They smoke like bloody chimneys , they do not have the fucking sense to know that their disgusting dated third world habit can influence the young in thinking that it is cool to smoke.

Last night it was taken off and replaced by a religious programme that bored the pants of me within 10 seconds.
Hell woman , you join the Greeks we are fine as we are , proud Cypriots , better mannered , better ...lovers and , apart from Plonker G.Michael better socialites !!!

ps. I do like the Greeks really , love taking the piss when I'm around them !!

May be Cyprus should have remained under British Colonial rule something you would have continued to enjoy with your fellow Brits and turks.

Who said that !!
I have never uttered one word criticizing the struggle of 1955-59 .
I have many British relations and friends as well as many T/C friends that make much more of a contribution to our struggle to unite our island than you and your fellow pseudo patriots !!
Kikapu , Birkibrisly , Iceman , Cem , Vuryek Umit o7 Deniz and many many more have been more constructive to the unification efforts than any of you will ever be.
There are hundreds if not thousands of T/Cs that want an independent and united Cyprus with all foreign troops removed . Are they concerned about the fact that amongst us exist extreme anti Cypriot elements ? I think they are .

From the way you write when not using foul language, you are totally against ENOSIS. It is easy to condemn ENOSIS 50 years on. What we must try to understand is why the vast majority of Greek Cypriots demanded enosis at the time. They wanted freedom, freedom from Colonial rule. Enosis was denied to Cyprus by the British who wanted to keep Cyprus as a military base, that is why they created the Turkish Minority problem. Under the 1923 Lausanne Treaty, Turkey relinquished all rights on Cyprus and the only way the turks got back in was because of British propaganda. Britain had always considered giving Cyprus to Greece but they feared that Greece could one day become Communist and their military base on Cyprus be lost. Cypriot enosis was no different to that of CRETE according to British historical papers.

British didn't create Turkish minority problem in Cyprus. Brits had/have common interests both with Turks and Greeks. They were in same alliance after all. Brits exerted to protect their own interests in Cyprus besides find a solution to satisfactory for Cypriots, Greece and Turkey...

In order to protect their military interests the British were passing all secrets to the Turks when they had no right of intervention under the 1923 Lausanne Treaty because Turkey gave up all its rights to CYPRUS. Read the papers released by the British Govt they are available to read then maybe you will change your mind. The Cypriots were used as pawns in a big chess end game !

Turkey gave up all her rights on Cyprus with Lausanne treaty under those days circumstances and heavy pressure just like Greece and GCs supposedly gave up struggling for Enosis with 60s treaties under then the circumstances.

TCs had never given up struggling for their rights and interests in Cyprus since Ottomans ceded Cyprus to Brits. It's true that TCs collaborated both with Brits and Turkey for their own interests. On the other hand, TCs together with Turkey, Brits and some other allies struggled for a solution satisfactory to all other allies including the so-called friends and allies GCs and Greeks.

Nevertheless, GCs and Greeks have mostly struggled only for their interests and Hellenism in Cyprus. The extra-ordinary political circumstances of Greece from 50s and onwards, gave Greece and GCs too many opportunities to abuse the political environment all for their own national interests that led to decades lasted defacto situation in Cyprus.

It is pleasing to see a Turk confirming that TURKEY gave up its rights to Cyprus under the 1923 Lausanne Treaty. The Turkish Cypriot minority was no different to any other minority. However you do not see Turkey offering equal status to the KURDS now do you ?

Kurdish problem is different than the Cyprus problem by many ways. Turks and Kurds fought together a big war against enemies and formed The Republic of Turkey.

The motives behind the early Kurdish riots were religous. After the independence war of all nation states, almost all governments made nation building plans and put them in action. Didn't GOG do the same to it's minorities?

Governments of Turkey failed it's nation building process because of many reasons...

It seems like the region of Turkey mostly inhabitted by Kurds will become an autonomous region in near future and by depending the political circumstances Kurds might demand self-determination right after a decade or so...

In my opinion, there r no similarities between Kurdish problem and Cyprus problem...

Perhaps not .... but
If all the inhabitants of Cyprus emigrated to Malta should we declare partition in Malta or should we respect Maltese Laws ?

What u say is an unrealistic "if" that would never happen. The Cyprus Problem initiated by the natural course of history in perfect correlation with the relations of all concerned parties.

Why do you say it is an unrealistic "if " ? How do you explain the large numbers of Turkish Settlers in Cyprus, I suppose that is a big "if " too .

Settlers arrived gradually according to various needs of Northern Cyprus. TCs were 1/3 of Cyprus population in the begining of British rule, now TCs together with once the settlers now the citizens of TRNC r again 1/3 of Cyprus. Had there been no emigrated TCs because of the economic difficulties arised from embargos GC properties that settlers occupy would have been accupied by TCs during the defacto years.

The settlers, their spouses and Cyprus born children, citizens from mixed marriages etc all became citizens of TRNC according to relevant TRNC laws; except some very small minority that their citizenships were canceled by CTP government.

What's ur point regarding settlers?

[Byron]

The settlers have been deliberately brought into Cyprus to unstable the population balance no different to all Cypriots moving over to take over another country say Malta or the Albanians taking over Kosovo and throwing out the Indigenous Serbs; that is my point, a long term strategy by Turkey to eliminate the Greek Cypriot population.