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[Nikitas]

Greece was never a safe haven, that is our biggest mistake. No one would come to the aid of Cyprus if push came to shove, this is what we failed to appreciate. There were many excuses on past occasions when Greece refused to pursue union- the timing was wrong, any such policy would jeopardise it relations with Britain, and that inimitiable "Cyprus is too far"!

It sounds hard to pin responsibility on whole community for wanting something, but a community is made up of thinking individuals. In this case they individuals failed to simply listen to the messages coming from Athens and pressed on regardless. We did not even see that a few years earlier, in 1949, Greece had finished a civil war which left half the country marked as communists with all kinds of stigma attached while in Cyprus AKEL, the communist party, was the largest party on the island, and in the event of union it would be outlawed!

The whole process from the late 40s onwards was irrational.

Judged from the point of simple logic, it is impossible to demand union or anything else until you are free. The first demand should have been freedom, from colonial rule, and then, as free people decide whether to remain independent or unite with anyone. Same applies today regarding BBF. Any choice made under partial occupation is not really the choice of free people.

[shahmaran]

They were selfish!

They were just as right as the Taksim guys were...

The GCs were not selfish in wanting what was right for them, from thousands of years heritage.

As for your Turk-Taksim having any rights .... if you believe that, then you also believe they were as entitled as Hitler was to exterminate Jews.

Just the fact that you so easily resort to Godwin's Law is enough proof of what a false argument you actually have, Oracle.

First of all, when I said "selfish" I meant the Greek's not the GC's.

It is hard to believe that they put your "Greekness" before your lands, in other words they are selfish, selfish enough to slaughter you for it.

If you claim that you have a right for Enosis that would mean we have a right for Taksim, it is plain and simple, because this is our country as well.

You do not own this country any more or any less than we do and you cannot claim Enosis by "bypassing" us, just because you are too racist to see the above mentioned truth.

[wyoming cowboy]

YFred the only one with wet fantasies is you and the fantasyof a Turkey that came to save you.After 35 years of self embargo and mass emigration by Turk cyps. and domination by Turkey. As the anniversary of the second invasion in Famagusta passes, it clearly shows that the Turk army was bogged down and immobile by the 14 of August. Even after massive UK,NATO and USA support. Why was Papandreou overthrown by the junta and why was the division taken off the island..Being there during the invasion the turk warships in the north were well protected by US and UK warships on their right and left flanks...In the first days of fighting Uk and American citizens were taken from Kyrenia and the surrounding areas by UK helicopters to American and Uk ships of the northern coast of Cyprus.....therefore your wet dream of glorious turk soldiers is vanquished as they were merely a puppet for greater powers...

Enough of this Greek bashing. Greece today would throw all its might in defending Cyprus against the Turks. Realistically if you guys remember the reason the junta fell in Greece in 74 was because of the debacle created by it in Cyprus. Being handcuffed by a revolution and by its erosion in military power from 67-74 Greece at that time could not be effective..We Greek cypriots must let go of the bitterness we feel against the "Kalamarades" which they hate to hear. Prior to the junta taking over in 67 the Greek military under Papandreou had a fully armed Greek division on Cyprus, the Junta's first order of business was to remove this division. The Turks would have thought long and hard and in the end not invaded in 74 if the division was in place.. What i saw pre 74 while in school were fascistic propaganda from the junta school curiculum....Outsiders used the trickeries we taught them against us ....

Which pills did you forget to take this morning? Greece had plenty of opportunity to defend their GC cousins in 74; all they had to do was to attack Turkey herself. One division in Cyprus would have been wiped out sooner or later.
Carry on with your wet dreams and your beloved Greece.

[Oracle]

They were selfish!

They were just as right as the Taksim guys were...

The GCs were not selfish in wanting what was right for them, from thousands of years heritage.

As for your Turk-Taksim having any rights .... if you believe that, then you also believe they were as entitled as Hitler was to exterminate Jews.

Just the fact that you so easily resort to Godwin's Law is enough proof of what a false argument you actually have, Oracle.

First of all, when I said "selfish" I meant the Greek's not the GC's.

It is hard to believe that they put your "Greekness" before your lands, in other words they are selfish, selfish enough to slaughter you for it.

If you claim that you have a right for Enosis that would mean we have a right for Taksim, it is plain and simple, because this is our country as well.

You do not own this country any more or any less than we do and you cannot claim Enosis by "bypassing" us, just because you are too racist to see the above mentioned truth.

Thank you for not allowing yourselves to be "bypassed" but instead joining in with the "slaughter" of GCs in ten-fold measure, so that you can grab maximum gains whilst GCs fought against a coup!

Funny how the Turks constantly refer to "owning" this land ... as though still trying to prove they belong here. We do not contest "ownership" but an inheritance of the island as a whole and the right to pass it on to morally honest generations ... traits the Turk-TCs have yet to exhibit amidst the real racist and segregationist ethnic cleansing they preside over...

As for Godwin's Law ... it is the only law you Turks seem to understand!

[miltiades]

Greece was never a safe haven, that is our biggest mistake. No one would come to the aid of Cyprus if push came to shove, this is what we failed to appreciate. There were many excuses on past occasions when Greece refused to pursue union- the timing was wrong, any such policy would jeopardise it relations with Britain, and that inimitable "Cyprus is too far"!

Precisely Nikitas , its time we begun relying on our own resourceful ways !
Related Yes but united absolutely NO .

[bigOz]

They were selfish!

They were just as right as the Taksim guys were...

The GCs were not selfish in wanting what was right for them, from thousands of years heritage.

As for your Turk-Taksim having any rights .... if you believe that, then you also believe they were as entitled as Hitler was to exterminate Jews.

Just the fact that you so easily resort to Godwin's Law is enough proof of what a false argument you actually have, Oracle.

First of all, when I said "selfish" I meant the Greek's not the GC's.

It is hard to believe that they put your "Greekness" before your lands, in other words they are selfish, selfish enough to slaughter you for it.

If you claim that you have a right for Enosis that would mean we have a right for Taksim, it is plain and simple, because this is our country as well.

You do not own this country any more or any less than we do and you cannot claim Enosis by "bypassing" us, just because you are too racist to see the above mentioned truth.

Thank you for not allowing yourselves to be "bypassed" but instead joining in with the "slaughter" of GCs in ten-fold measure, so that you can grab maximum gains whilst GCs fought against a coup!

Funny how the Turks constantly refer to "owning" this land ... as though still trying to prove they belong here. We do not contest "ownership" but an inheritance of the island as a whole and the right to pass it on to morally honest generations ... traits the Turk-TCs have yet to exhibit amidst the real racist and segregationist ethnic cleansing they preside over...

As for Godwin's Law ... it is the only law you Turks seem to understand!

Goodwin's law is not a law as such you silly cow! You are so self obsessed sometimes you really do chat shite!!!

WTF? What is there for anyone to understand?

QUOTE:
Godwin's Law (also known as Godwin's Rule of Nazi Analogies)[1] is a humorous observation coined by Mike Godwin in 1990, and which has become an Internet adage. It states: "As a Usenet discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches 1."[2][3]

Godwin's Law is often cited in online discussions as a deterrent against the use of arguments in the widespread reductio ad Hitlerum form. The rule does not make any statement about whether any particular reference or comparison to Adolf Hitler or the Nazis might be appropriate, but only asserts that the likelihood of such a reference or comparison arising increases as the discussion progresses. It is precisely because such a comparison or reference may sometimes be appropriate, Godwin has argued, that overuse of Nazi and Hitler comparisons should be avoided, because it robs the valid comparisons of their impact.

Although in one of its early forms Godwin's Law referred specifically to Usenet newsgroup discussions, the law is now applied to any threaded online discussion: electronic mailing lists, message boards, chat rooms, and more recently blog comment threads and wiki talk pages...

... there is a tradition in many newsgroups and other Internet discussion forums that once such a comparison is made, the thread is finished and whoever mentioned the Nazis has automatically "lost" whatever debate was in progress. This principle itself is frequently referred to as Godwin's Law...

... The concept appears to have entered the public consciousness more broadly, as well. In 2005, the aphorism was the subject of a question in the British television quiz show University Challenge. By 2007, The Economist had declared that "a good rule in most discussions is that the first person to call the other a Nazi automatically loses the argument." And in October 2007, the "Last Page" columnist in The Smithsonian stated that when an adversary uses an inappropriate Hitler or Nazi comparison, "you have only to say 'Godwin's Law' and a trapdoor falls open, plunging your rival into a pool of hungry crocodiles."

Erm!... If you know what you were talking about, then by your own admission you have lost the argument in this thread!

[Nikitas]

I am still waiting for Big OZ to provide proof of thousands of mainland Greeks being relocated to Cyprus during the 60s.

[Oracle]

... As for Godwin's Law ... it is the only law you Turks seem to understand!

Goodwin's law is not a law as such you silly cow! You are so self obsessed sometimes you really do chat shite!!!

WTF? What is there for anyone to understand?

What a complete arse you are. That's precisely why I said it's the only law the Turks understand.

You Turks never fail to amuse me with the sunken depths of your stupidity.

Brilliant .... you so fell into that one!

BigOz ... thank you for that paradigm of Turk-intellect

[As for its irksome over-usage, the irony was in the frequency with which shah resorts to reductio ad Hitlerum that he eventually discovered what he's been saying all this time ]

[shahmaran]

They were selfish!

They were just as right as the Taksim guys were...

The GCs were not selfish in wanting what was right for them, from thousands of years heritage.

As for your Turk-Taksim having any rights .... if you believe that, then you also believe they were as entitled as Hitler was to exterminate Jews.

Just the fact that you so easily resort to Godwin's Law is enough proof of what a false argument you actually have, Oracle.

First of all, when I said "selfish" I meant the Greek's not the GC's.

It is hard to believe that they put your "Greekness" before your lands, in other words they are selfish, selfish enough to slaughter you for it.

If you claim that you have a right for Enosis that would mean we have a right for Taksim, it is plain and simple, because this is our country as well.

You do not own this country any more or any less than we do and you cannot claim Enosis by "bypassing" us, just because you are too racist to see the above mentioned truth.

Thank you for not allowing yourselves to be "bypassed" but instead joining in with the "slaughter" of GCs in ten-fold measure, so that you can grab maximum gains whilst GCs fought against a coup!

Funny how the Turks constantly refer to "owning" this land ... as though still trying to prove they belong here. We do not contest "ownership" but an inheritance of the island as a whole and the right to pass it on to morally honest generations ... traits the Turk-TCs have yet to exhibit amidst the real racist and segregationist ethnic cleansing they preside over...

As for Godwin's Law ... it is the only law you Turks seem to understand!

I have not "gained" anything on anyones loss, just like the many TC's who also fought the coop and did not "join in" with the slaughter while many GC's were claiming that Enosis was their "right" !

So again your generalisation is unrealistic and imaginary, which is the only real argument you seem to have and that happens to be pretty meaningless

I'm telling you Oracle, racism will not get you anywhere, not even on a simple Internet discussion, let alone in politics

[Oracle]

They were selfish!

They were just as right as the Taksim guys were...

The GCs were not selfish in wanting what was right for them, from thousands of years heritage.

As for your Turk-Taksim having any rights .... if you believe that, then you also believe they were as entitled as Hitler was to exterminate Jews.

Just the fact that you so easily resort to Godwin's Law is enough proof of what a false argument you actually have, Oracle.

First of all, when I said "selfish" I meant the Greek's not the GC's.

It is hard to believe that they put your "Greekness" before your lands, in other words they are selfish, selfish enough to slaughter you for it.

If you claim that you have a right for Enosis that would mean we have a right for Taksim, it is plain and simple, because this is our country as well.

You do not own this country any more or any less than we do and you cannot claim Enosis by "bypassing" us, just because you are too racist to see the above mentioned truth.

Thank you for not allowing yourselves to be "bypassed" but instead joining in with the "slaughter" of GCs in ten-fold measure, so that you can grab maximum gains whilst GCs fought against a coup!

Funny how the Turks constantly refer to "owning" this land ... as though still trying to prove they belong here. We do not contest "ownership" but an inheritance of the island as a whole and the right to pass it on to morally honest generations ... traits the Turk-TCs have yet to exhibit amidst the real racist and segregationist ethnic cleansing they preside over...

As for Godwin's Law ... it is the only law you Turks seem to understand!

I have not "gained" anything on anyones loss, just like the many TC's who also fought the coop and did not "join in" with the slaughter while many GC's were claiming that Enosis was their "right" !

So again your generalisation is unrealistic and imaginary, which is the only real argument you seem to have and that happens to be pretty meaningless

I'm telling you Oracle, racism will not get you anywhere, not even on a simple Internet discussion, let alone in politics

Well you are the expert on practicing racism ... (being your most frequently used word) ... hoping that blindly accusing others would excuse you from living in the last racially segregated and ethnically cleansed territory in the world.