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[Oracle]

. More than 80% of the Cypriot people wanted ENOSIS.
Wrong with hindsight but quite right at the time. .

You backward apologist!

Why were 80% of the Cypriots who wanted Enosis wrong according to your superior hindsight?

It may be unnecessary for survival NOW ... but how can you be so confident it was wrong of them to seek it then?

[insan]

Petcalledros if it was up to people like you then the smaller countries of the world would forever surrender their lands and culture to the bigger imperial foreigners like the Turks and British.

I am not against EOKA A' being against the British, I am against EOKA A' waning ENOSIS and destroy anything/anyone standing in their way...and then thinking of themselves as heroes?

Also many countries left the British Empire peacefully. If that would of happened than Cyprus would not have British Bases.

The vast majority of Cypriot people wanted enosis. Not just EOKA.

EOKA (A) fought for the freedom of Cypriots from the Imperialists (British/Turks). If the imperialists would allow the Cypriot people to peacefully and democratically choose the destiny of their own island, then there wouldn't be the need for EOKA.

One imperialist VS other imperialist... As if Greece wasn't aware of the geo-political importance of Cyprus and didn't wish to annex Cyprus for her great interests and ideals. Some fascist political groups from Greece were behind EOKA. We all know the Great Ideals of Greek fascists... Neither it was love of freedom, nor independence... or loving the people of Cyprus...

[miltiades]

. More than 80% of the Cypriot people wanted ENOSIS.
Wrong with hindsight but quite right at the time. .

You backward apologist!

Why were 80% of the Cypriots who wanted Enosis wrong according to your superior hindsight?

It may be unnecessary for survival NOW ... but how can you be so confident it was wrong of them to seek it then?

We were wrong because we did not know what scum bugs the Kalamaras were , and we were mentally raped at school so as not to be proud of being Greek Cypriots but forced into believing that we were Greeks.
Enosis with Greece was , mitera Ellada , paramithai tis halimas , nonsense that we fell for because my dear we knew nothing better.
I told you before , I know the Greeks far better than you ever will , and I dont consider them worthy of us Cypriots ( Ta kipriaka gaidouria) to be part of them.
While I'm at it let me get something else of my chest.
I watch Greek TV as well as Cyprus TV.
My favourite Greek tv show is " STIN IYIA SAS RE PEDIA.
I like it because at times it features some of the greatest Greek singers of our times.
What I hate is how utterly unsophisticated the guests can at times be. They smoke like bloody chimneys , they do not have the fucking sense to know that their disgusting dated third world habit can influence the young in thinking that it is cool to smoke.

Last night it was taken off and replaced by a religious programme that bored the pants of me within 10 seconds.
Hell woman , you join the Greeks we are fine as we are , proud Cypriots , better mannered , better ...lovers and , apart from Plonker G.Michael better socialites !!!

ps. I do like the Greeks really , love taking the piss when I'm around them !!

[Nikitas]

Oracle said:

"Why were 80% of the Cypriots who wanted Enosis wrong according to your superior hindsight?"

Because there was no corresponding desire in mainland Greece for union. Union, as opposed to conquest, is an act between TWO equal partners. I have yet to meet a Greek who accepts this notion of a mutual act between equals. The phrase most often used is "that tin paroume tin Kypro" (we will take Cyprus).

Considering that in 60s GCs effectively controlled Cyprus it was mystifying to hear this phrase. They would take it from who and give it to whom?

If you delve deeper and ask if Greeks ever envisage a situation where Cypriots would be able to contribute meaningfully to this hypothetical union, as for instance in improving the ailing Greek civil service for the benefit of Hellenism as a whole, the reaction is outright derision. Greeks cannot accept that these seemingly slow people who speak with a funny accent can do anything better than they can. Statistics and economic results prove that they can.

So in the end Union was seen by Greeks as a process resulting in something like what is going on in the north of Cyprus today- a Greekification of the island and conversion into a province with a Nomarchis as an appointed governor.

There was never any allowance for some Cypriotisation of the mainland no matter how beneficial that might be.

[miltiades]

NEVER SHALL WE THE GREEK CYPRIOTS EVER ACCEPT DOMINATION BY THE INFERIOR GREEKS .
We shall never succumb , just as the T/Cs are about to , we shall never accept the term Greeks of Cyprus because we are NOT. We are Cypriots above all else .

[Oracle]

I am not saying it was the right thing for Cyprus ... we'll never know. It certainly isn't now. But how can anyone be as cocksure as Miltiades that those GCs wanting Enosis, were wrong.

Sure Nikitas, Greece was not after reciprocating by expanding its borders to Cyprus ... or maybe it was prevented by GB. After all, they wouldn't have been able to keep their bases here if Greece was in charge. The Turks would have had to be cut-off from maintaining any interest and Greek would have been the Official language so that further excuses for division would have been minimised. These are the things those Enosis seeking GCs were probably after ... So, how were they wrong?

[shahmaran]

They were selfish!

They were just as right as the Taksim guys were...

[Piratis]

Petcalledros if it was up to people like you then the smaller countries of the world would forever surrender their lands and culture to the bigger imperial foreigners like the Turks and British.

I am not against EOKA A' being against the British, I am against EOKA A' waning ENOSIS and destroy anything/anyone standing in their way...and then thinking of themselves as heroes?

Also many countries left the British Empire peacefully. If that would of happened than Cyprus would not have British Bases.

The vast majority of Cypriot people wanted enosis. Not just EOKA.

EOKA (A) fought for the freedom of Cypriots from the Imperialists (British/Turks). If the imperialists would allow the Cypriot people to peacefully and democratically choose the destiny of their own island, then there wouldn't be the need for EOKA.

One imperialist VS other imperialist... As if Greece wasn't aware of the geo-political importance of Cyprus and didn't wish to annex Cyprus for her great interests and ideals. Some fascist political groups from Greece were behind EOKA. We all know the Great Ideals of Greek fascists... Neither it was love of freedom, nor independence... or loving the people of Cyprus...

They Cypriot people are Greek (with the exception of some small minorities - as they exist everywhere) and naturally they wanted to be part of the Greek Republic. This is what freedom means. To be allowed to decide the destiny of your own territory in a free and democratic way.

[Paphitis]

NEVER SHALL WE THE GREEK CYPRIOTS EVER ACCEPT DOMINATION BY THE INFERIOR GREEKS .
We shall never succumb , just as the T/Cs are about to , we shall never accept the term Greeks of Cyprus because we are NOT. We are Cypriots above all else .

The only one who is inferior is YOU!

The rest of us are just equal humans.

[NikosGB23]

Petcalledros if it was up to people like you then the smaller countries of the world would forever surrender their lands and culture to the bigger imperial foreigners like the Turks and British.

I am not against EOKA A' being against the British, I am against EOKA A' waning ENOSIS and destroy anything/anyone standing in their way...and then thinking of themselves as heroes?

Also many countries left the British Empire peacefully. If that would of happened than Cyprus would not have British Bases.

The vast majority of Cypriot people wanted enosis. Not just EOKA.

EOKA (A) fought for the freedom of Cypriots from the Imperialists (British/Turks). If the imperialists would allow the Cypriot people to peacefully and democratically choose the destiny of their own island, then there wouldn't be the need for EOKA.

One imperialist VS other imperialist... As if Greece wasn't aware of the geo-political importance of Cyprus and didn't wish to annex Cyprus for her great interests and ideals. Some fascist political groups from Greece were behind EOKA. We all know the Great Ideals of Greek fascists... Neither it was love of freedom, nor independence... or loving the people of Cyprus...

They Cypriot people are Greek (with the exception of some small minorities - as they exist everywhere) and naturally they wanted to be part of the Greek Republic. This is what freedom means. To be allowed to decide the destiny of your own territory in a free and democratic way.

the truth has been spoken.