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[QAMERSLAND]

Black sheeps are in every community. The western media portray these black sheep as exemplary Muslims to mislead their people to justify there war on terror which has been killed 100’s of thousand people because the western media Like CNN, BCC and FOX news are influenced and owned by those Criminals in suites funded by Israeli lobby.

If you are judging here some Muslims who are criminal that’s fine but if you want to judge a religion then you must go to the root source for example for Islam is Quran and traditions of Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) and The Bible for Christians and so on.

If Adolf Hitler insulated 6 million Jews, we can not blame Christianity for it. we will have to go to root source which is Bible to find if it preaches to kill innocent people.

If there is some people killing innocent people on the name of Islam. You should go to root source which is Quran to see if it allows the followers to kill innocent people. In the case if Islam, it is prohibited to kill innocent human being unless it is for murder or spreading the mischief in the land.

If you want to know about any religion, you should not go to anti religious websites or whatever you listen on media but to know from the authenticate source then decide for yourselves.

There is no world “Holy War” mentioned in the Quran and yet one friend mention in the article from CNN that young Muslims are fighting Holy War Against west which is nothing but to mislead people

Can you put my mind at rest by confirming that you are against the killing of apostates under any circumstances. As you are now doubt aware in Somalia recently 4 converts from Islam to Christianity were beheaded . I want to know from you that this barbaric behaviour you find abhorrent just as I do.

Apostasy is similar to Treason in Islam. In most of the countries in the world the punishment of treason is death therefore also in Islam the punishment is death for Apostasy if a muslim leaves the religion and propogate it in a Muslim Country.

It is a despicable uncivilized dictatorial barbaric act and all decent men and women must condemn such cruel inhumane acts.
It is NOTHING whatsoever to do with treason. In treason one works for the enemy of his nation by betraying his nation.
In choosing which religion to follow is a human right that all civil humans must have.
It seems that such barbaric acts do nothing to promote Islam as anything else other than a cruel and vicious religion.
LONG LIVE THE WEST THAT GIVES ME THE RIGHT TO REJECT GOD WITHOUT THE FEAR OF HAVING MY HEAD DETACHED FROM MY BODY.
May I also say how disturbed I'm at being told that you endorse such barbaric behaviour as beheading someone for changing religion. A bloody disgrace Sir.

In Islam is the same if some join other religion and work for them simmilar to join the enemy to work for them. If you will tell me treason is different thenI can say it is my wish to choose for who i should work?. who are you give me death panalty for treason. it is barbaric.

Take care and leave double standards

Have a good weekeend

[miltiades]

Brainwashed utterly making you abandon humanity in the name of a non existent entity.
Is this how to promote peace and understanding in the world by beheading anyone who dares find out the truth and desert your religion.
How lucky we are not to have been indoctrinated with such utter rubbish.
May your false god help you .
So you consider anyone not a muslim as your enemy , you pathetic brainwashed stupid man .

[Tim Drayton]

Perhaps somebody could shed some light on the concept known as
'jihad with the sword' (جهاد بالسيف, jihād bi-s-sayf). Thank you.

[danky]

All I wanted to do is wear my shorts and wander about the hotel grounds in comfort.

Not start a Holy war.

Racist and trigger-happy “Christians” have been on a crusade of death & destruction against Muslims for the last 10-15 years.

Around 1.5 million people have already been killed in Iraq alone, and God knows how many in Afghanistan and Pakistan, yet you saw fit to start a silly thread complaining about a Muslim family shying away from your nakedness!

As if the murderous “Christian” fools needed any more encouragement…

I may have started this thread but it is your extremist opinions that have propagated all the bad feelings here.

[miltiades]

Ignore him , always a fool !!

[iceman]

Once Again Mr Tim went to a anti Islamic website which misleading people, if he would have gone to an islamic website, he would have found the correct meaning of Jihad himself.

I got no treatment for this sickness in which people use worng sources to prove them right, I just Pray almighty God to show guidance to these people



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=klFib4nid7g

I provided you with a source showing the 164 verses of the Koran containing the word 'jihad'. Do you dispute the fact that the word 'jihad' appears in the Koran. This is the word that CNN is interpreting as meaning 'holy war'. If this is wrong, it is up to you to correct the error rather than ranting on about 'anti-Islamic websites'.

By the way, are those who produce what you call 'anti-Islamic websites' guilty of fitna? Do they deserve to be killed?

What about Miltiades' question concerning apostasy?

This man is like a red rag to a bull. Let us have an ignore facility on this forum.

I know Jihad is mention in Quran which means to Strive to struggle but “Holy War (Harb ul Muqadsa)" is not mention anywhere in the Quran.

Let’s correct those Muslims and non Muslims to know the right meaning of Jihad. Even Jesus PBUH him preached to do Jihad.


Have a Good weekend

I have in my possession a book entitled 'A glossary of Gulf Arabic' by Dr Hamdi Qafisheh, who is professor of Arabic and Linguistics in the Department of Oriental Studies of the University of Arizona, USA.

On page 59 of this book I find the entry:

jihaad holy war, struggle, usually against infidels, as a religious duty.

Unless you can explain why you know better than a native Arabic speaker who is also a professor of Arabic at a respected American university, I will accept the above definition.

Tim
first of all let me express that my knowledge of Arabic language is zero..but the word jihaad or as we use it in Turkish cihat is an Arabic word used in the times when the holy book was written to describe the war against the non believers (infidel as you put it)
Türk Dil Kurumu describes the word as "war in the name of religion"
http://tdkterim.gov.tr/bts/?kategori=ve ... at&ayn=tam

BUT....the fight in the name of religion.. against the infidel was made in those days to convert the non believers to Islam...so the true meaning of this word does not exist today...

[danky]

My question was more about the present day Muslim in Cyprus. Perhaps "Get Real" who I see lives in Nicosia has some comment to make about the daily queue of Turkish Muslims who cross the border at Nicosia and demand free hospital treatment on the Greek side. To make matters worse they openly display a Turkish flag on the hills above Nicosia.

[Tim Drayton]

My question was more about the present day Muslim in Cyprus. Perhaps "Get Real" who I see lives in Nicosia has some comment to make about the daily queue of Turkish Muslims who cross the border at Nicosia and demand free hospital treatment on the Greek side. To make matters worse they openly display a Turkish flag on the hills above Nicosia.

You are very wide of the mark now. Turkish Cypriots are very modern, secular people most of whom are Muslims in little more than name. Turkish Cypriots wear Western clothes and would certainly not behave in the manner you described.

[danky]

Thank you Tim, this is the sort of answer I was looking for . I would comment that the man in question was dressed in in shorts and a T shirt while his daughters had traditional Muslim clothes on. It was a bloody hot day.
Do not think that I am that wide of the mark.

[Tim Drayton]

Once Again Mr Tim went to a anti Islamic website which misleading people, if he would have gone to an islamic website, he would have found the correct meaning of Jihad himself.

I got no treatment for this sickness in which people use worng sources to prove them right, I just Pray almighty God to show guidance to these people



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=klFib4nid7g

I provided you with a source showing the 164 verses of the Koran containing the word 'jihad'. Do you dispute the fact that the word 'jihad' appears in the Koran. This is the word that CNN is interpreting as meaning 'holy war'. If this is wrong, it is up to you to correct the error rather than ranting on about 'anti-Islamic websites'.

By the way, are those who produce what you call 'anti-Islamic websites' guilty of fitna? Do they deserve to be killed?

What about Miltiades' question concerning apostasy?

This man is like a red rag to a bull. Let us have an ignore facility on this forum.

I know Jihad is mention in Quran which means to Strive to struggle but “Holy War (Harb ul Muqadsa)" is not mention anywhere in the Quran.

Let’s correct those Muslims and non Muslims to know the right meaning of Jihad. Even Jesus PBUH him preached to do Jihad.


Have a Good weekend

I have in my possession a book entitled 'A glossary of Gulf Arabic' by Dr Hamdi Qafisheh, who is professor of Arabic and Linguistics in the Department of Oriental Studies of the University of Arizona, USA.

On page 59 of this book I find the entry:

jihaad holy war, struggle, usually against infidels, as a religious duty.

Unless you can explain why you know better than a native Arabic speaker who is also a professor of Arabic at a respected American university, I will accept the above definition.

Tim
first of all let me express that my knowledge of Arabic language is zero..but the word jihaad or as we use it in Turkish cihat is an Arabic word used in the times when the holy book was written to describe the war against the non believers (infidel as you put it)
Türk Dil Kurumu describes the word as "war in the name of religion"
http://tdkterim.gov.tr/bts/?kategori=ve ... at&ayn=tam

BUT....the fight in the name of religion.. against the infidel was made in those days to convert the non believers to Islam...so the true meaning of this word does not exist today...

Yes, and if you refer to the Redhouse Turkish-English dictionary, you will find that the first definition given for 'cihad' is 'holy war'. The point is that, as I have shown with a link to the exact verse references, the word 'jihad' appears 164 times in the Kuran and the most commonly accepted translation of this word is 'holy war'. Therefore, the claim that there is no reference to 'holy war' in the Kuran is entirely unsupportable. That is all.