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[DT.]

The perennial insistence of the TCs to be treated as a special case finally entraps them in the strangle hold of Turkey and leads them to final extinction.

All it takes is some honest introspection to realise that TCs have put themselves in an impossible position. From the beginning they overplayed the Turkey card, in the same way that GCs overplayed the majority card. But at least the GCs had the balls to fight against imposed double union (I do not believe for a minute that the coup was a Greek only affair). And after 1974 the GCs matured and rebounded. By contrast the TCs leaned even more heavily on the Turkey crutch and insisted, via Denktash, on impossible demands, like a territory split of 32 per cent, no property return, bizonality which is effective apartheid and generally behaved as if there was no danger from the import of mainlanders. Voices like those of the late Ozgur were drowned with shouts of traitor.

And now there is the bogeyman of "if not us then you will have to deal with X thousands of settlers". That is no threat. That simply says that the once the TCs disappear the occupiers of the north will have no legal or moral standing and the whole area will be subject to full claims by the RoC.

So rather than use these threats grow up and moderate your demands to levels that the GC can accept. Agree to full EU aquis application for the whole of Cyprus, a reasonable territorial settlement, a democratic federal system with no human rights derogations and you will save your community. Only TCs can do these things, if they first tell the mainlander to go to hell. That is the hard part in a community that has been corrupted by the Turks to the point where it can not see how it is living its own extinction.

You're on the money Nikita, BigOz forgets that had the TC's been realistic in their demands in the past 30 years their community would be flourishing in Cyprus now instead of being forced into extinction.

[EPSILON]

The Turkish Cypriots must resist the efforts to exterminate them .
It is a well known fact the the mainland Turks do not like T/Cs and visa verse..
The T/Cs are an integral part of this island where the mainland Turks are not.

The TRNC police has been continuing to investigate the issue by taking into consideration 3 different probabilities behind this incident.... Let me add one more...

Miltiadis and his team did it to create chaos and hate between TCs and Turkey...

U old chap, still u have the same dream ehh? Hehehe, hate kills...

One more overestimation of G/cs capabilities!!!!

Do you know that GABIRA , that extremist foul mouth man/ woman , who thinks that the Turkish army did not kill enough G/Cs in 1974 HAS THE SAME SIGNATURE AS YOU !!!!
Check it out .

Is not the same Milti- be more carefull-there is a big difference-nevertheless do not come again on my signature-it will be their until "TRNC" be also disappear.

Yes it is mate check it out .

"""GREEK REPUBLIC OF SOUTHERN CYPRUS ""

The word "SOUTHERN" creates a huge difference on meaning.!!!It means partition.Mine means indepedence on the basis of majority's Ethnicity.

Is a Turkish trick which i prefer to follow than our politicians micropolitics.!!!1

[Tim Drayton]

The perennial insistence of the TCs to be treated as a special case finally entraps them in the strangle hold of Turkey and leads them to final extinction.

All it takes is some honest introspection to realise that TCs have put themselves in an impossible position. From the beginning they overplayed the Turkey card, in the same way that GCs overplayed the majority card. But at least the GCs had the balls to fight against imposed double union (I do not believe for a minute that the coup was a Greek only affair). And after 1974 the GCs matured and rebounded. By contrast the TCs leaned even more heavily on the Turkey crutch and insisted, via Denktash, on impossible demands, like a territory split of 32 per cent, no property return, bizonality which is effective apartheid and generally behaved as if there was no danger from the import of mainlanders. Voices like those of the late Ozgur were drowned with shouts of traitor.

And now there is the bogeyman of "if not us then you will have to deal with X thousands of settlers". That is no threat. That simply says that the once the TCs disappear the occupiers of the north will have no legal or moral standing and the whole area will be subject to full claims by the RoC.
So rather than use these threats grow up and moderate your demands to levels that the GC can accept. Agree to full EU aquis application for the whole of Cyprus, a reasonable territorial settlement, a democratic federal system with no human rights derogations and you will save your community. Only TCs can do these things, if they first tell the mainlander to go to hell. That is the hard part in a community that has been corrupted by the Turks to the point where it can not see how it is living its own extinction.

I agree with your analysis, except that Turkey is very skillfully manoeuvering towards a position in which she will claim that the political will of the community living in north Cyprus, the majority of whom are now her own people, corresponds to the right of self-determination of the Turkish Cypriot people. How often do we hear the cliche 'The Turkish Cypriots voted "yes" in the Annan plan referendum'? Nobody stops to ask what percentage of those that voted were actually Turkish Cypriots.

[YFred]

The perennial insistence of the TCs to be treated as a special case finally entraps them in the strangle hold of Turkey and leads them to final extinction.

All it takes is some honest introspection to realise that TCs have put themselves in an impossible position. From the beginning they overplayed the Turkey card, in the same way that GCs overplayed the majority card. But at least the GCs had the balls to fight against imposed double union (I do not believe for a minute that the coup was a Greek only affair). And after 1974 the GCs matured and rebounded. By contrast the TCs leaned even more heavily on the Turkey crutch and insisted, via Denktash, on impossible demands, like a territory split of 32 per cent, no property return, bizonality which is effective apartheid and generally behaved as if there was no danger from the import of mainlanders. Voices like those of the late Ozgur were drowned with shouts of traitor.

And now there is the bogeyman of "if not us then you will have to deal with X thousands of settlers". That is no threat. That simply says that the once the TCs disappear the occupiers of the north will have no legal or moral standing and the whole area will be subject to full claims by the RoC.
So rather than use these threats grow up and moderate your demands to levels that the GC can accept. Agree to full EU aquis application for the whole of Cyprus, a reasonable territorial settlement, a democratic federal system with no human rights derogations and you will save your community. Only TCs can do these things, if they first tell the mainlander to go to hell. That is the hard part in a community that has been corrupted by the Turks to the point where it can not see how it is living its own extinction.

I agree with your analysis, except that Turkey is very skillfully manoeuvering towards a position in which she will claim that the political will of the community living in north Cyprus, the majority of whom are now her own people, corresponds to the right of self-determination of the Turkish Cypriot people. How often do we hear the cliche 'The Turkish Cypriots voted "yes" in the Annan plan referendum'? Nobody stops to ask what percentage of those that voted were actually Turkish Cypriots.

By tour definition I can never be British. Tim, I am surprised at you. How long does a person have to live in Cyprus to become Turkish Cypriot.
What about the people who were born in TRNC for the last 35 years, are they all Settlers?
What about the ones in mixed marriages, shall we use the Jewish method, only those who's mother is TC can be a TC?

[boomerang]

The perennial insistence of the TCs to be treated as a special case finally entraps them in the strangle hold of Turkey and leads them to final extinction.

All it takes is some honest introspection to realise that TCs have put themselves in an impossible position. From the beginning they overplayed the Turkey card, in the same way that GCs overplayed the majority card. But at least the GCs had the balls to fight against imposed double union (I do not believe for a minute that the coup was a Greek only affair). And after 1974 the GCs matured and rebounded. By contrast the TCs leaned even more heavily on the Turkey crutch and insisted, via Denktash, on impossible demands, like a territory split of 32 per cent, no property return, bizonality which is effective apartheid and generally behaved as if there was no danger from the import of mainlanders. Voices like those of the late Ozgur were drowned with shouts of traitor.

And now there is the bogeyman of "if not us then you will have to deal with X thousands of settlers". That is no threat. That simply says that the once the TCs disappear the occupiers of the north will have no legal or moral standing and the whole area will be subject to full claims by the RoC.
So rather than use these threats grow up and moderate your demands to levels that the GC can accept. Agree to full EU aquis application for the whole of Cyprus, a reasonable territorial settlement, a democratic federal system with no human rights derogations and you will save your community. Only TCs can do these things, if they first tell the mainlander to go to hell. That is the hard part in a community that has been corrupted by the Turks to the point where it can not see how it is living its own extinction.

I agree with your analysis, except that Turkey is very skillfully manoeuvering towards a position in which she will claim that the political will of the community living in north Cyprus, the majority of whom are now her own people, corresponds to the right of self-determination of the Turkish Cypriot people. How often do we hear the cliche 'The Turkish Cypriots voted "yes" in the Annan plan referendum'? Nobody stops to ask what percentage of those that voted were actually Turkish Cypriots.

By tour definition I can never be British.

not true...you come under the "humanitarian relief section" knucklehead...

[Tim Drayton]

The perennial insistence of the TCs to be treated as a special case finally entraps them in the strangle hold of Turkey and leads them to final extinction.

All it takes is some honest introspection to realise that TCs have put themselves in an impossible position. From the beginning they overplayed the Turkey card, in the same way that GCs overplayed the majority card. But at least the GCs had the balls to fight against imposed double union (I do not believe for a minute that the coup was a Greek only affair). And after 1974 the GCs matured and rebounded. By contrast the TCs leaned even more heavily on the Turkey crutch and insisted, via Denktash, on impossible demands, like a territory split of 32 per cent, no property return, bizonality which is effective apartheid and generally behaved as if there was no danger from the import of mainlanders. Voices like those of the late Ozgur were drowned with shouts of traitor.

And now there is the bogeyman of "if not us then you will have to deal with X thousands of settlers". That is no threat. That simply says that the once the TCs disappear the occupiers of the north will have no legal or moral standing and the whole area will be subject to full claims by the RoC.
So rather than use these threats grow up and moderate your demands to levels that the GC can accept. Agree to full EU aquis application for the whole of Cyprus, a reasonable territorial settlement, a democratic federal system with no human rights derogations and you will save your community. Only TCs can do these things, if they first tell the mainlander to go to hell. That is the hard part in a community that has been corrupted by the Turks to the point where it can not see how it is living its own extinction.

I agree with your analysis, except that Turkey is very skillfully manoeuvering towards a position in which she will claim that the political will of the community living in north Cyprus, the majority of whom are now her own people, corresponds to the right of self-determination of the Turkish Cypriot people. How often do we hear the cliche 'The Turkish Cypriots voted "yes" in the Annan plan referendum'? Nobody stops to ask what percentage of those that voted were actually Turkish Cypriots.

By tour definition I can never be British. Tim, I am surprised at you. How long does a person have to live in Cyprus to become Turkish Cypriot.
What about the people who were born in TRNC for the last 35 years, are they all Settlers?
What about the ones in mixed marriages, shall we use the Jewish method, only those who's mother is TC can be a TC?

These are very tricky questions, Fred, and they get harder and harder as time passes. However, you are failing to see the wood for the trees. Turkey is using population transfer for political ends. Your legitimate rights as a Turkish Cypriot are being usurped.

[YFred]

The perennial insistence of the TCs to be treated as a special case finally entraps them in the strangle hold of Turkey and leads them to final extinction.

All it takes is some honest introspection to realise that TCs have put themselves in an impossible position. From the beginning they overplayed the Turkey card, in the same way that GCs overplayed the majority card. But at least the GCs had the balls to fight against imposed double union (I do not believe for a minute that the coup was a Greek only affair). And after 1974 the GCs matured and rebounded. By contrast the TCs leaned even more heavily on the Turkey crutch and insisted, via Denktash, on impossible demands, like a territory split of 32 per cent, no property return, bizonality which is effective apartheid and generally behaved as if there was no danger from the import of mainlanders. Voices like those of the late Ozgur were drowned with shouts of traitor.

And now there is the bogeyman of "if not us then you will have to deal with X thousands of settlers". That is no threat. That simply says that the once the TCs disappear the occupiers of the north will have no legal or moral standing and the whole area will be subject to full claims by the RoC.
So rather than use these threats grow up and moderate your demands to levels that the GC can accept. Agree to full EU aquis application for the whole of Cyprus, a reasonable territorial settlement, a democratic federal system with no human rights derogations and you will save your community. Only TCs can do these things, if they first tell the mainlander to go to hell. That is the hard part in a community that has been corrupted by the Turks to the point where it can not see how it is living its own extinction.

I agree with your analysis, except that Turkey is very skillfully manoeuvering towards a position in which she will claim that the political will of the community living in north Cyprus, the majority of whom are now her own people, corresponds to the right of self-determination of the Turkish Cypriot people. How often do we hear the cliche 'The Turkish Cypriots voted "yes" in the Annan plan referendum'? Nobody stops to ask what percentage of those that voted were actually Turkish Cypriots.

By tour definition I can never be British. Tim, I am surprised at you. How long does a person have to live in Cyprus to become Turkish Cypriot.
What about the people who were born in TRNC for the last 35 years, are they all Settlers?
What about the ones in mixed marriages, shall we use the Jewish method, only those who's mother is TC can be a TC?

These are very tricky questions, Fred, and they get harder and harder as time passes. However, you are failing to see the wood for the trees. Turkey is using population transfer for political ends. Your legitimate rights as a Turkish Cypriot are being usurped.

Tim, all that was started by the RoC in 1963 when the whole TC population was enclaved in 2.5% of the land for 11 years, it’s nothing new.
The RoC is the real culprit and yet Turkey gets all the blame. If you analyse it, pre 74 it was all RoC and since 74 it has been both, so mathematically the real blame is with the RoC.
When it comes to the next vote, all of TRNC will vote, but you are wrong to think that TCs would vote any differently if somehow they could be separated. I now plenty of TCs who wouldn't want to give anything back and just join Turkey, as well as refusing to get the RoC passport. That does not emanate from any Turkish propaganda, its the pain the TCs have gone through pre 74. You are right though in that the longer this situation lasts the more difficult it becomes to solve, if it hasn't reached the impossible stage already.

[umit07]

The perennial insistence of the TCs to be treated as a special case finally entraps them in the strangle hold of Turkey and leads them to final extinction.

All it takes is some honest introspection to realise that TCs have put themselves in an impossible position. From the beginning they overplayed the Turkey card, in the same way that GCs overplayed the majority card. But at least the GCs had the balls to fight against imposed double union (I do not believe for a minute that the coup was a Greek only affair). And after 1974 the GCs matured and rebounded. By contrast the TCs leaned even more heavily on the Turkey crutch and insisted, via Denktash, on impossible demands, like a territory split of 32 per cent, no property return, bizonality which is effective apartheid and generally behaved as if there was no danger from the import of mainlanders. Voices like those of the late Ozgur were drowned with shouts of traitor.

And now there is the bogeyman of "if not us then you will have to deal with X thousands of settlers". That is no threat. That simply says that the once the TCs disappear the occupiers of the north will have no legal or moral standing and the whole area will be subject to full claims by the RoC.
So rather than use these threats grow up and moderate your demands to levels that the GC can accept. Agree to full EU aquis application for the whole of Cyprus, a reasonable territorial settlement, a democratic federal system with no human rights derogations and you will save your community. Only TCs can do these things, if they first tell the mainlander to go to hell. That is the hard part in a community that has been corrupted by the Turks to the point where it can not see how it is living its own extinction.

I agree with your analysis, except that Turkey is very skillfully manoeuvering towards a position in which she will claim that the political will of the community living in north Cyprus, the majority of whom are now her own people, corresponds to the right of self-determination of the Turkish Cypriot people. How often do we hear the cliche 'The Turkish Cypriots voted "yes" in the Annan plan referendum'? Nobody stops to ask what percentage of those that voted were actually Turkish Cypriots.

By tour definition I can never be British. Tim, I am surprised at you. How long does a person have to live in Cyprus to become Turkish Cypriot.
What about the people who were born in TRNC for the last 35 years, are they all Settlers?
What about the ones in mixed marriages, shall we use the Jewish method, only those who's mother is TC can be a TC?

These are very tricky questions, Fred, and they get harder and harder as time passes. However, you are failing to see the wood for the trees. Turkey is using population transfer for political ends. Your legitimate rights as a Turkish Cypriot are being usurped.

Your absolutely correct Tim, the only point I sadly object to is that Turkey is getting away with it. This photo from an article titled "Turkish Cypriots voting" speaks for itself.



source;

http://www.setimes.com/cocoon/setimes/x ... feature-01

[Dr J]

Tim, all that was started by the RoC in 1963 when the whole TC population was enclaved in 2.5% of the land for 11 years, it’s nothing new.
The RoC is the real culprit and yet Turkey gets all the blame. If you analyse it, pre 74 it was all RoC and since 74 it has been both, so mathematically the real blame is with the RoC.
When it comes to the next vote, all of TRNC will vote, but you are wrong to think that TCs would vote any differently if somehow they could be separated. I now plenty of TCs who wouldn't want to give anything back and just join Turkey, as well as refusing to get the RoC passport. That does not emanate from any Turkish propaganda, its the pain the TCs have gone through pre 74. You are right though in that the longer this situation lasts the more difficult it becomes to solve, if it hasn't reached the impossible stage already.

WOULD YOU CUT THE CRAP!

It was the leaders of the Turkish Cypriots who wanted to live in enclaves. It was the TMT who wanted to separate Turkish Cypriots from Greek Cypriots. It was basically your leadership that wanted to push for segregation for union with Turkey - except Turkey lied to you and told you that you could get away with it and you fell for it.

For once could you speak the TRUTH and maybe you will reverse the decline of the Turkish Cypriot community.

[Get Real!]

Tim, all that was started by the RoC in 1963 when the whole TC population was enclaved in 2.5% of the land for 11 years, it’s nothing new.

The RoC is the real culprit and yet Turkey gets all the blame. If you analyse it, pre 74 it was all RoC and since 74 it has been both, so mathematically the real blame is with the RoC.

Pure unadulterated genius!