insan wrote:bigOz wrote:miltiades wrote:The Turkish Cypriots must resist the efforts to exterminate them .
It is a well known fact the the mainland Turks do not like T/Cs and visa verse..
The T/Cs are an integral part of this island where the mainland Turks are not.
The TCs have been resisiting such efforts by EOKA for many decades, now not only do we have the GC efforts, but the majority of the population in North Cyprus trying to exterminate the TC ID!
But why is this news to everyone? Have I not being saying time and time again over the past one year, if the GCs do not stop making impossible demands for a solution - soon thay will have no TCs left to negotiate with and will have to deal with the mainland Turks who have displaced the TCs and settled in the North...
As they say in our village: You harvest whatever you plant - meaning there is no point in crying for bananas when you decided to plant cactus trees in your garden!
Just carry on arguing about who Cyprus really belongs to for teh next decade, and I doubt there will be any TCs left even in this forum to argue with!
Whta's the difference of an Ottoman origin muslim Cypriot/Turk and a TC and modern day "mainland" Turk(urban or rural origin, educated/uneducated/leftist-rightist)?
What's been changed since the problem first arised in late 1800s. During the Ottoman rule, the problem between 2 communities(for GCs) was being ruled by Turks/Ottomans or muslims.
Let's say all Ottoman origin TCs left TRNC and whole TRNC became "mainland" Turks from various regions of Turkey. What will their difference be from the Ottoman origin Turks or TCs or muslims of TRNC.
Do u think the solution of Cyprus problem depends on the origin of it's people?
Yes I do Insan! and I shall explain briefly why...
The 20 000 odd settlers that moved in after the invasion of 1974 were skilled farmers and villagers who supplemented the missing know-how of the TCs, after being subject to 11 years of imprisonment in enclaves. Yjey settled and worked hard and became part of the North Cypriot and behaving/talking more like a TC than a mainlander. They multiplied fast and by 2000 they must have been at least 40000 or more...
That was not too bad, because the number of TCs that left the island pro 1974 was probably three times as many. The GC rulers might have put up with this since similar number of settlers from mainland Greece had also settled in Cyprus after the 1963 war.
The crucial change has happened early 2000s when there has been a continual influx of unskilled labour from South Eastern Turkey! These were allowed to stay and grow in numbers, often bringing in their relatives after a short while. Most of them are ethnic Kurds and are in no way representative of the general cross section of the society in Turkey.
In fact, I do not know many (if any) wealthy, high society Turk who had the slightest desire to settle here! There have been wealthy Kurds hell bent in laundering and investing their drugs money in North Cyprus hotels & Casinos, but they brought over their clans, workers, managers etc. etc. crowding up the place even more so with the worst of the society.
Why? Because Cyprus becoming an EU member and the possibility of North Cyprus entering the EU soon provided many potential and real time opportunities. There has been probably twice as many mainland settlers over the past 6-7 years than those over the preceding 25+ years!
Open your eyes and look at Old Lefkosa - it has degraded into what Adana used to be 30 years ago! The whole of the island is full of turban wearing women and flip-flop wearing peasants parading the streets - to the point where the original TCs are far outnumbered. This forces me to disagree with you because:
The TCs were never ultra religious. Three mosques in Nicosia had always been enough for all residents - our guests are hell bent on having minarets with dozen loudspeakers in every street!
Even after the 63 war, the TCs were used to sleeping with their windows and sometimes front doors open at nights! Nowadays even with everything locked up, there are break-ins and burglaries every day! Some of these guys come over as groups with a view to rob as much as they can before the first ferry returning home.
TC culture demanded respect for women, where street parading youngsters never crossed the line beyond simple flirting. New arrivals are more interested in eye-raping any tourist (or even TC) female who dares to wear light or sport clothing to a point where it has become embarrassing to sit at a bar in Kyrenia harbour.
In the old days one hardly ever heard of rape amongst TCs. Every year there are few cases of such incidents we hear about especially in villages where these settlers reside.
Over 25 years after 1963, until late eighties, I cannot remember any murder cases (there may have been one but I need reminding). Over the past 7-8 years there have been many murders for various reasons, again usually involving mainland settlers.
No Insan! The TC I am and knew of cannot be identified with the above, so I beg to differ with your assumption.
Just for desserts, we are now having to be told by the Islamic fundamentalists that we must have our children attend compulsory Kuran courses at school. What?
Let GCs send their young ones to church every Sunday to be brainwashed by their papaz, who preach more political hatred than religion until they all end up like Piratis. But I will not tolerate that in my society - otherwise we are just as bad as the guys in the other side.
I have no animosity against the mainland Turkish people and I will stick to my political views regarding Cyprus invasion and the great part GCs own extremists played in it. But I will not be driven out of Cyprus to make space for the Kurdish peasants of South Eastern Anatolia...
