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[Talisker]

These objects of shit only deserve the most painful and lingering death that man has ever invented.

I am in no way excusing the dreadful actions of these individuals, but they themselves have grown up within the lowest levels of society, and it could be argued are the consequences (I daren't use the word 'victims') of the hugely unequal society that exists today. They probably have never been properly taught the difference between right or wrong, or good or evil, their minds were probably addled with drink or drugs, and the social expectations within this underclass (with which few of us have any real knowledge, familiarity or understanding) are entirely different to the rest of us.

I am not in favour of capital punishment. In our western societies we have the money and knowledge to improve opportunities and education, and improve the standard of living for the underclasses - we just choose not to do this, and use our prosperity in different ways (military spending, shoring up our financial insitutions, etc). They should serve their jail terms - I'm sure it will not be a pleasant experience for them. I don't believe they will be given new identities in another country. I hope efforts are made to educate and rehabilitate them, and make them aware of the evil nature of their actions, although I fear our prison service in the UK doesn't place this as a high priority.

Oh please!

Don't give me the old 'don't know the difference between right and wrong' argument!

Hang them.

I'm guessing you're a Daily Mail reader. I'd imagine you have no idea of social underclass, drug-fuelled societies, common practice of child abuse. To deny it exists is irresponsible in my view, perpetuates the problem, and therefore contributes to the next Baby P-like death. Will a few hangings cure societies ills, of which this one tragic death is but a single symptom? I think not.

This poor baby died as the result of prolonged abuse. Which was worse, the first time the baby was slammed against the wall, or kicked or whatever, or the one that finally killed? It has been acknowledged the social system was at fault, the signs of abuse were there and the baby should have been taken into care. They were allowed to behave in this barbaric manner too long, hence the death. They progressed from being abusers to murderers. This could, and should, have been prevented.

I understand all about poverty etc. having been born and bred in the middle of London (Elephant & Castle) but my mum and dad had nothing but they didn't use me as a punchbag. Its just excuse after excuse for these kind of people. Yes the authorities let baby Peter down thats no excuse, but how can anyone stand by and watch was happening to that poor child and do nothing (his mother for one) - just hang them all. You won't change my mind I'm afraid.

I'll love living in your world when you become PM.

[lioness 2]

These objects of shit only deserve the most painful and lingering death that man has ever invented.

I am in no way excusing the dreadful actions of these individuals, but they themselves have grown up within the lowest levels of society, and it could be argued are the consequences (I daren't use the word 'victims') of the hugely unequal society that exists today. They probably have never been properly taught the difference between right or wrong, or good or evil, their minds were probably addled with drink or drugs, and the social expectations within this underclass (with which few of us have any real knowledge, familiarity or understanding) are entirely different to the rest of us.

I am not in favour of capital punishment. In our western societies we have the money and knowledge to improve opportunities and education, and improve the standard of living for the underclasses - we just choose not to do this, and use our prosperity in different ways (military spending, shoring up our financial insitutions, etc). They should serve their jail terms - I'm sure it will not be a pleasant experience for them. I don't believe they will be given new identities in another country. I hope efforts are made to educate and rehabilitate them, and make them aware of the evil nature of their actions, although I fear our prison service in the UK doesn't place this as a high priority.

Oh please!

Don't give me the old 'don't know the difference between right and wrong' argument!

Hang them.

I'm guessing you're a Daily Mail reader. I'd imagine you have no idea of social underclass, drug-fuelled societies, common practice of child abuse. To deny it exists is irresponsible in my view, perpetuates the problem, and therefore contributes to the next Baby P-like death. Will a few hangings cure societies ills, of which this one tragic death is but a single symptom? I think not.

This poor baby died as the result of prolonged abuse. Which was worse, the first time the baby was slammed against the wall, or kicked or whatever, or the one that finally killed? It has been acknowledged the social system was at fault, the signs of abuse were there and the baby should have been taken into care. They were allowed to behave in this barbaric manner too long, hence the death. They progressed from being abusers to murderers. This could, and should, have been prevented.

I understand all about poverty etc. having been born and bred in the middle of London (Elephant & Castle) but my mum and dad had nothing but they didn't use me as a punchbag. Its just excuse after excuse for these kind of people. Yes the authorities let baby Peter down thats no excuse, but how can anyone stand by and watch was happening to that poor child and do nothing (his mother for one) - just hang them all. You won't change my mind I'm afraid.

I'll love living in your world when you become PM.

Thank you I will take that as a compliment - But I'm to busy to become PM I'm learning my rope skills!!!!

[Talisker]

These objects of shit only deserve the most painful and lingering death that man has ever invented.

I am in no way excusing the dreadful actions of these individuals, but they themselves have grown up within the lowest levels of society, and it could be argued are the consequences (I daren't use the word 'victims') of the hugely unequal society that exists today. They probably have never been properly taught the difference between right or wrong, or good or evil, their minds were probably addled with drink or drugs, and the social expectations within this underclass (with which few of us have any real knowledge, familiarity or understanding) are entirely different to the rest of us.

I am not in favour of capital punishment. In our western societies we have the money and knowledge to improve opportunities and education, and improve the standard of living for the underclasses - we just choose not to do this, and use our prosperity in different ways (military spending, shoring up our financial insitutions, etc). They should serve their jail terms - I'm sure it will not be a pleasant experience for them. I don't believe they will be given new identities in another country. I hope efforts are made to educate and rehabilitate them, and make them aware of the evil nature of their actions, although I fear our prison service in the UK doesn't place this as a high priority.

Oh please!

Don't give me the old 'don't know the difference between right and wrong' argument!

Hang them.

I'm guessing you're a Daily Mail reader. I'd imagine you have no idea of social underclass, drug-fuelled societies, common practice of child abuse. To deny it exists is irresponsible in my view, perpetuates the problem, and therefore contributes to the next Baby P-like death. Will a few hangings cure societies ills, of which this one tragic death is but a single symptom? I think not.

This poor baby died as the result of prolonged abuse. Which was worse, the first time the baby was slammed against the wall, or kicked or whatever, or the one that finally killed? It has been acknowledged the social system was at fault, the signs of abuse were there and the baby should have been taken into care. They were allowed to behave in this barbaric manner too long, hence the death. They progressed from being abusers to murderers. This could, and should, have been prevented.

I understand all about poverty etc. having been born and bred in the middle of London (Elephant & Castle) but my mum and dad had nothing but they didn't use me as a punchbag. Its just excuse after excuse for these kind of people. Yes the authorities let baby Peter down thats no excuse, but how can anyone stand by and watch was happening to that poor child and do nothing (his mother for one) - just hang them all. You won't change my mind I'm afraid.

I'll love living in your world when you become PM.

Thank you I will take that as a compliment - But I'm to busy to become PM I'm learning my rope skills!!!!

You'd seriously consider yourself capable of executing another human being? On the basis of a judgement from our flawed justice system (not that there seems any doubt in this case, but there are plenty others where convicted murderers have been proved later to be innocent)? And why would you have that right?

[lioness 2]

These objects of shit only deserve the most painful and lingering death that man has ever invented.

I am in no way excusing the dreadful actions of these individuals, but they themselves have grown up within the lowest levels of society, and it could be argued are the consequences (I daren't use the word 'victims') of the hugely unequal society that exists today. They probably have never been properly taught the difference between right or wrong, or good or evil, their minds were probably addled with drink or drugs, and the social expectations within this underclass (with which few of us have any real knowledge, familiarity or understanding) are entirely different to the rest of us.

I am not in favour of capital punishment. In our western societies we have the money and knowledge to improve opportunities and education, and improve the standard of living for the underclasses - we just choose not to do this, and use our prosperity in different ways (military spending, shoring up our financial insitutions, etc). They should serve their jail terms - I'm sure it will not be a pleasant experience for them. I don't believe they will be given new identities in another country. I hope efforts are made to educate and rehabilitate them, and make them aware of the evil nature of their actions, although I fear our prison service in the UK doesn't place this as a high priority.

Oh please!

Don't give me the old 'don't know the difference between right and wrong' argument!

Hang them.

I'm guessing you're a Daily Mail reader. I'd imagine you have no idea of social underclass, drug-fuelled societies, common practice of child abuse. To deny it exists is irresponsible in my view, perpetuates the problem, and therefore contributes to the next Baby P-like death. Will a few hangings cure societies ills, of which this one tragic death is but a single symptom? I think not.

This poor baby died as the result of prolonged abuse. Which was worse, the first time the baby was slammed against the wall, or kicked or whatever, or the one that finally killed? It has been acknowledged the social system was at fault, the signs of abuse were there and the baby should have been taken into care. They were allowed to behave in this barbaric manner too long, hence the death. They progressed from being abusers to murderers. This could, and should, have been prevented.

I understand all about poverty etc. having been born and bred in the middle of London (Elephant & Castle) but my mum and dad had nothing but they didn't use me as a punchbag. Its just excuse after excuse for these kind of people. Yes the authorities let baby Peter down thats no excuse, but how can anyone stand by and watch was happening to that poor child and do nothing (his mother for one) - just hang them all. You won't change my mind I'm afraid.

I'll love living in your world when you become PM.

Thank you I will take that as a compliment - But I'm to busy to become PM I'm learning my rope skills!!!!

You'd seriously consider yourself capable of executing another human being? On the basis of a judgement from our flawed justice system (not that there seems any doubt in this case, but there are plenty others where convicted murderers have been proved later to be innocent)? And why would you have that right?

I have already said "YES" I would be execute these people. So you are saying that the Myra Hindleys/Ian Bradys/Ian Huntleys/Peter Sutcliffe etc should be kept in comfort for the rest of their lives. The idiots that go round stabbing other people cos it makes them look good in front of their gangs. Hang a couple of them that would deter others. And yes there are miscarriages of justice but not as many as those who are guilty. A lot of people think the same as me they just don't say so. We all have our own opinion and I respect yours. What a boring world if we all thought alike.

[Talisker]

These objects of shit only deserve the most painful and lingering death that man has ever invented.

I am in no way excusing the dreadful actions of these individuals, but they themselves have grown up within the lowest levels of society, and it could be argued are the consequences (I daren't use the word 'victims') of the hugely unequal society that exists today. They probably have never been properly taught the difference between right or wrong, or good or evil, their minds were probably addled with drink or drugs, and the social expectations within this underclass (with which few of us have any real knowledge, familiarity or understanding) are entirely different to the rest of us.

I am not in favour of capital punishment. In our western societies we have the money and knowledge to improve opportunities and education, and improve the standard of living for the underclasses - we just choose not to do this, and use our prosperity in different ways (military spending, shoring up our financial insitutions, etc). They should serve their jail terms - I'm sure it will not be a pleasant experience for them. I don't believe they will be given new identities in another country. I hope efforts are made to educate and rehabilitate them, and make them aware of the evil nature of their actions, although I fear our prison service in the UK doesn't place this as a high priority.

Oh please!

Don't give me the old 'don't know the difference between right and wrong' argument!

Hang them.

I'm guessing you're a Daily Mail reader. I'd imagine you have no idea of social underclass, drug-fuelled societies, common practice of child abuse. To deny it exists is irresponsible in my view, perpetuates the problem, and therefore contributes to the next Baby P-like death. Will a few hangings cure societies ills, of which this one tragic death is but a single symptom? I think not.

This poor baby died as the result of prolonged abuse. Which was worse, the first time the baby was slammed against the wall, or kicked or whatever, or the one that finally killed? It has been acknowledged the social system was at fault, the signs of abuse were there and the baby should have been taken into care. They were allowed to behave in this barbaric manner too long, hence the death. They progressed from being abusers to murderers. This could, and should, have been prevented.

I understand all about poverty etc. having been born and bred in the middle of London (Elephant & Castle) but my mum and dad had nothing but they didn't use me as a punchbag. Its just excuse after excuse for these kind of people. Yes the authorities let baby Peter down thats no excuse, but how can anyone stand by and watch was happening to that poor child and do nothing (his mother for one) - just hang them all. You won't change my mind I'm afraid.

I'll love living in your world when you become PM.

Thank you I will take that as a compliment - But I'm to busy to become PM I'm learning my rope skills!!!!

You'd seriously consider yourself capable of executing another human being? On the basis of a judgement from our flawed justice system (not that there seems any doubt in this case, but there are plenty others where convicted murderers have been proved later to be innocent)? And why would you have that right?

I have already said "YES" I would be execute these people. So you are saying that the Myra Hindleys/Ian Bradys/Ian Huntleys/Peter Sutcliffe etc should be kept in comfort for the rest of their lives. The idiots that go round stabbing other people cos it makes them look good in front of their gangs. Hang a couple of them that would deter others. And yes there are miscarriages of justice but not as many as those who are guilty. A lot of people think the same as me they just don't say so. We all have our own opinion and I respect yours. What a boring world if we all thought alike.

OK, you're right, so long as we execute more guilty than innocent human beings the system is fine!!!!!!!!!

I respect your opinions, and don't expect everyone to agree. I just think that on this topic you are wrong, and have tried to explain why I disagree.

[cyprusgrump]

These objects of shit only deserve the most painful and lingering death that man has ever invented.

I am in no way excusing the dreadful actions of these individuals, but they themselves have grown up within the lowest levels of society, and it could be argued are the consequences (I daren't use the word 'victims') of the hugely unequal society that exists today. They probably have never been properly taught the difference between right or wrong, or good or evil, their minds were probably addled with drink or drugs, and the social expectations within this underclass (with which few of us have any real knowledge, familiarity or understanding) are entirely different to the rest of us.

I am not in favour of capital punishment. In our western societies we have the money and knowledge to improve opportunities and education, and improve the standard of living for the underclasses - we just choose not to do this, and use our prosperity in different ways (military spending, shoring up our financial insitutions, etc). They should serve their jail terms - I'm sure it will not be a pleasant experience for them. I don't believe they will be given new identities in another country. I hope efforts are made to educate and rehabilitate them, and make them aware of the evil nature of their actions, although I fear our prison service in the UK doesn't place this as a high priority.

Oh please!

Don't give me the old 'don't know the difference between right and wrong' argument!

Hang them.

I'm guessing you're a Daily Mail reader. I'd imagine you have no idea of social underclass, drug-fuelled societies, common practice of child abuse. To deny it exists is irresponsible in my view, perpetuates the problem, and therefore contributes to the next Baby P-like death. Will a few hangings cure societies ills, of which this one tragic death is but a single symptom? I think not.

This poor baby died as the result of prolonged abuse. Which was worse, the first time the baby was slammed against the wall, or kicked or whatever, or the one that finally killed? It has been acknowledged the social services system was at fault, the signs of abuse were there and the baby should have been taken into care. They were allowed to behave in this barbaric manner too long, hence the death. They progressed from being abusers to murderers. This could, and should, have been prevented.

I don't read the Daily Fail, no... you are confusing me with Z4.

You stated that these people didn't know right from wrong? Sorry, that is a fatuous argument. How could you survive life without knowing right from wrong...?

How would you managed not to burn yourself, start fights, steal things...? How could you manage to survive to adulthood without knowing?

They knew what they did was wrong - that's why they covered it up... didn't one of them hide when social workers visited? Why did he hide, did he think it was a 'game'? Hide and seek?

They concealed their evil acts because they knew it was wrong.

They are evil, they carried out unimaginable acts of cruelty against a defenceless child.

I'd hang them - I'd be happy to pull the lever. Perhaps others that 'don't know right from wrong' would consider their actions if they understood the consequences.

[Talisker]

These objects of shit only deserve the most painful and lingering death that man has ever invented.

I am in no way excusing the dreadful actions of these individuals, but they themselves have grown up within the lowest levels of society, and it could be argued are the consequences (I daren't use the word 'victims') of the hugely unequal society that exists today. They probably have never been properly taught the difference between right or wrong, or good or evil, their minds were probably addled with drink or drugs, and the social expectations within this underclass (with which few of us have any real knowledge, familiarity or understanding) are entirely different to the rest of us.

I am not in favour of capital punishment. In our western societies we have the money and knowledge to improve opportunities and education, and improve the standard of living for the underclasses - we just choose not to do this, and use our prosperity in different ways (military spending, shoring up our financial insitutions, etc). They should serve their jail terms - I'm sure it will not be a pleasant experience for them. I don't believe they will be given new identities in another country. I hope efforts are made to educate and rehabilitate them, and make them aware of the evil nature of their actions, although I fear our prison service in the UK doesn't place this as a high priority.

Oh please!

Don't give me the old 'don't know the difference between right and wrong' argument!

Hang them.

I'm guessing you're a Daily Mail reader. I'd imagine you have no idea of social underclass, drug-fuelled societies, common practice of child abuse. To deny it exists is irresponsible in my view, perpetuates the problem, and therefore contributes to the next Baby P-like death. Will a few hangings cure societies ills, of which this one tragic death is but a single symptom? I think not.

This poor baby died as the result of prolonged abuse. Which was worse, the first time the baby was slammed against the wall, or kicked or whatever, or the one that finally killed? It has been acknowledged the social services system was at fault, the signs of abuse were there and the baby should have been taken into care. They were allowed to behave in this barbaric manner too long, hence the death. They progressed from being abusers to murderers. This could, and should, have been prevented.

I don't read the Daily Fail, no... you are confusing me with Z4.

You stated that these people didn't know right from wrong? Sorry, that is a fatuous argument. How could you survive life without knowing right from wrong...?

How would you managed not to burn yourself, start fights, steal things...? How could you manage to survive to adulthood without knowing?

They knew what they did was wrong - that's why they covered it up... didn't one of them hide when social workers visited? Why did he hide, did he think it was a 'game'? Hide and seek?

They concealed their evil acts because they knew it was wrong.

They are evil, they carried out unimaginable acts of cruelty against a defenceless child.

I'd hang them - I'd be happy to pull the lever. Perhaps others that 'don't know right from wrong' would consider their actions if they understood the consequences.

Most child abusers have themselves been abused when they were children. Therefore, the example they have been set, and experienced, is that child abuse is the norm. That cycle needs to be broken, and that requires much more sophisticated approaches than bringing back capital punishment.

[cyprusgrump]

These objects of shit only deserve the most painful and lingering death that man has ever invented.

I am in no way excusing the dreadful actions of these individuals, but they themselves have grown up within the lowest levels of society, and it could be argued are the consequences (I daren't use the word 'victims') of the hugely unequal society that exists today. They probably have never been properly taught the difference between right or wrong, or good or evil, their minds were probably addled with drink or drugs, and the social expectations within this underclass (with which few of us have any real knowledge, familiarity or understanding) are entirely different to the rest of us.

I am not in favour of capital punishment. In our western societies we have the money and knowledge to improve opportunities and education, and improve the standard of living for the underclasses - we just choose not to do this, and use our prosperity in different ways (military spending, shoring up our financial insitutions, etc). They should serve their jail terms - I'm sure it will not be a pleasant experience for them. I don't believe they will be given new identities in another country. I hope efforts are made to educate and rehabilitate them, and make them aware of the evil nature of their actions, although I fear our prison service in the UK doesn't place this as a high priority.

Oh please!

Don't give me the old 'don't know the difference between right and wrong' argument!

Hang them.

I'm guessing you're a Daily Mail reader. I'd imagine you have no idea of social underclass, drug-fuelled societies, common practice of child abuse. To deny it exists is irresponsible in my view, perpetuates the problem, and therefore contributes to the next Baby P-like death. Will a few hangings cure societies ills, of which this one tragic death is but a single symptom? I think not.

This poor baby died as the result of prolonged abuse. Which was worse, the first time the baby was slammed against the wall, or kicked or whatever, or the one that finally killed? It has been acknowledged the social services system was at fault, the signs of abuse were there and the baby should have been taken into care. They were allowed to behave in this barbaric manner too long, hence the death. They progressed from being abusers to murderers. This could, and should, have been prevented.

I don't read the Daily Fail, no... you are confusing me with Z4.

You stated that these people didn't know right from wrong? Sorry, that is a fatuous argument. How could you survive life without knowing right from wrong...?

How would you managed not to burn yourself, start fights, steal things...? How could you manage to survive to adulthood without knowing?

They knew what they did was wrong - that's why they covered it up... didn't one of them hide when social workers visited? Why did he hide, did he think it was a 'game'? Hide and seek?

They concealed their evil acts because they knew it was wrong.

They are evil, they carried out unimaginable acts of cruelty against a defenceless child.

I'd hang them - I'd be happy to pull the lever. Perhaps others that 'don't know right from wrong' would consider their actions if they understood the consequences.

Most child abusers have themselves been abused when they were children. Therefore, the example they have been set, and experienced, is that child abuse is the norm. That cycle needs to be broken, and that requires much more sophisticated approaches than bringing back capital punishment.

Capital punishment is a perfect, guaranteed method of 'breaking the cycle' I would have thought...

[Talisker]

These objects of shit only deserve the most painful and lingering death that man has ever invented.

I am in no way excusing the dreadful actions of these individuals, but they themselves have grown up within the lowest levels of society, and it could be argued are the consequences (I daren't use the word 'victims') of the hugely unequal society that exists today. They probably have never been properly taught the difference between right or wrong, or good or evil, their minds were probably addled with drink or drugs, and the social expectations within this underclass (with which few of us have any real knowledge, familiarity or understanding) are entirely different to the rest of us.

I am not in favour of capital punishment. In our western societies we have the money and knowledge to improve opportunities and education, and improve the standard of living for the underclasses - we just choose not to do this, and use our prosperity in different ways (military spending, shoring up our financial insitutions, etc). They should serve their jail terms - I'm sure it will not be a pleasant experience for them. I don't believe they will be given new identities in another country. I hope efforts are made to educate and rehabilitate them, and make them aware of the evil nature of their actions, although I fear our prison service in the UK doesn't place this as a high priority.

Oh please!

Don't give me the old 'don't know the difference between right and wrong' argument!

Hang them.

I'm guessing you're a Daily Mail reader. I'd imagine you have no idea of social underclass, drug-fuelled societies, common practice of child abuse. To deny it exists is irresponsible in my view, perpetuates the problem, and therefore contributes to the next Baby P-like death. Will a few hangings cure societies ills, of which this one tragic death is but a single symptom? I think not.

This poor baby died as the result of prolonged abuse. Which was worse, the first time the baby was slammed against the wall, or kicked or whatever, or the one that finally killed? It has been acknowledged the social services system was at fault, the signs of abuse were there and the baby should have been taken into care. They were allowed to behave in this barbaric manner too long, hence the death. They progressed from being abusers to murderers. This could, and should, have been prevented.

I don't read the Daily Fail, no... you are confusing me with Z4.

You stated that these people didn't know right from wrong? Sorry, that is a fatuous argument. How could you survive life without knowing right from wrong...?

How would you managed not to burn yourself, start fights, steal things...? How could you manage to survive to adulthood without knowing?

They knew what they did was wrong - that's why they covered it up... didn't one of them hide when social workers visited? Why did he hide, did he think it was a 'game'? Hide and seek?

They concealed their evil acts because they knew it was wrong.

They are evil, they carried out unimaginable acts of cruelty against a defenceless child.

I'd hang them - I'd be happy to pull the lever. Perhaps others that 'don't know right from wrong' would consider their actions if they understood the consequences.

Most child abusers have themselves been abused when they were children. Therefore, the example they have been set, and experienced, is that child abuse is the norm. That cycle needs to be broken, and that requires much more sophisticated approaches than bringing back capital punishment.

Capital punishment is a perfect, guaranteed method of 'breaking the cycle' I would have thought...

Oh I finally get it! Anyone who has been abused as a child should be executed so they don't themselves become a child abuser (and potential murderer) later in life. Cycle broken. Perfect!

[lioness 2]

These objects of shit only deserve the most painful and lingering death that man has ever invented.

I am in no way excusing the dreadful actions of these individuals, but they themselves have grown up within the lowest levels of society, and it could be argued are the consequences (I daren't use the word 'victims') of the hugely unequal society that exists today. They probably have never been properly taught the difference between right or wrong, or good or evil, their minds were probably addled with drink or drugs, and the social expectations within this underclass (with which few of us have any real knowledge, familiarity or understanding) are entirely different to the rest of us.

I am not in favour of capital punishment. In our western societies we have the money and knowledge to improve opportunities and education, and improve the standard of living for the underclasses - we just choose not to do this, and use our prosperity in different ways (military spending, shoring up our financial insitutions, etc). They should serve their jail terms - I'm sure it will not be a pleasant experience for them. I don't believe they will be given new identities in another country. I hope efforts are made to educate and rehabilitate them, and make them aware of the evil nature of their actions, although I fear our prison service in the UK doesn't place this as a high priority.

Oh please!

Don't give me the old 'don't know the difference between right and wrong' argument!

Hang them.

I'm guessing you're a Daily Mail reader. I'd imagine you have no idea of social underclass, drug-fuelled societies, common practice of child abuse. To deny it exists is irresponsible in my view, perpetuates the problem, and therefore contributes to the next Baby P-like death. Will a few hangings cure societies ills, of which this one tragic death is but a single symptom? I think not.

This poor baby died as the result of prolonged abuse. Which was worse, the first time the baby was slammed against the wall, or kicked or whatever, or the one that finally killed? It has been acknowledged the social services system was at fault, the signs of abuse were there and the baby should have been taken into care. They were allowed to behave in this barbaric manner too long, hence the death. They progressed from being abusers to murderers. This could, and should, have been prevented.

I don't read the Daily Fail, no... you are confusing me with Z4.

You stated that these people didn't know right from wrong? Sorry, that is a fatuous argument. How could you survive life without knowing right from wrong...?

How would you managed not to burn yourself, start fights, steal things...? How could you manage to survive to adulthood without knowing?

They knew what they did was wrong - that's why they covered it up... didn't one of them hide when social workers visited? Why did he hide, did he think it was a 'game'? Hide and seek?

They concealed their evil acts because they knew it was wrong.

They are evil, they carried out unimaginable acts of cruelty against a defenceless child.

I'd hang them - I'd be happy to pull the lever. Perhaps others that 'don't know right from wrong' would consider their actions if they understood the consequences.

Most child abusers have themselves been abused when they were children. Therefore, the example they have been set, and experienced, is that child abuse is the norm. That cycle needs to be broken, and that requires much more sophisticated approaches than bringing back capital punishment.

Bullshit I have a friend who was abused as a child and she is the most caring loving mother you could ever wish for so that is just an excuse that some use and get away with using. As Cyprusgrump said it is a guaranteed method. Well said Cyprusgrump I take my hat off to you.