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How can we solve it? (keep it civilized)

Postby Get Real! » Wed Aug 12, 2009 1:20 am

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Postby repulsewarrior » Wed Aug 12, 2009 1:26 am

We are in favour of a solution agreeable to all three parties


funny question, who are the three parties?, who is representing Cypriots?

...we can thank Makarios because without him at the Treaty of Zurich this island would already be divided.

...we can thank Denktash because he opened the gates.

i admire them both as men of Principal, who, in the end as Cypriots first, chose.
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Postby Paphitis » Wed Aug 12, 2009 6:19 am

repulsewarrior wrote:
We are in favour of a solution agreeable to all three parties


funny question, who are the three parties?, who is representing Cypriots?

...we can thank Makarios because without him at the Treaty of Zurich this island would already be divided.

...we can thank Denktash because he opened the gates.

i admire them both as men of Principal, who, in the end as Cypriots first, chose.


So you think the Zurich Agreements were good and you respect Denktash as a "man of principal"? :roll:
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Postby repulsewarrior » Thu Aug 13, 2009 2:40 am

I don’t mind proposing cantons initially, to see what happens. But I don’t want to mislead you. But I didn’t know what I would do. I can do nothing with these restrictive amendments.


,says Mr Kissinger to Makarios; very telling...

...call them cantons then, but there, that is Bizonal, without them is the island torn in two.
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Postby repulsewarrior » Thu Aug 13, 2009 3:36 am

please read carefully Paphitis, i would not be picking a fight, Cyprus and thus our identity as Cypriots is a centre from which all of us have found a well being that is distinct to being a "Greek" or a "Turk". We are fortunate to have been blessed by the Modern Age with our Freedom from any subjugation as a People. And it is left to us to decide our own fate, and our representation toward Humanity.

bust my manifesto, please, it would be refreshing if someone else would try because although it is primative, this effort is not far from defining bicommunal and bizonal as Principals which secure free movement, association and expression in a society not mono clonal.

both makarios and denktash achieved with their efforts a stature of hero to some and contempt from others. this is normal. in terms of history (for whatever reasons they did these things, i am only stating facts) their acts in these important circumstances served our unity.
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Postby YFred » Thu Aug 13, 2009 4:51 pm

repulsewarrior wrote:
We are in favour of a solution agreeable to all three parties


funny question, who are the three parties?, who is representing Cypriots?

...we can thank Makarios because without him at the Treaty of Zurich this island would already be divided.

...we can thank Denktash because he opened the gates.

i admire them both as men of Principal, who, in the end as Cypriots first, chose.

Denktash did not open the gates because he wanted to, he opend them despite the fact that he did not want to open them. The reason was because 60,000 TCs gathered infront of the muhtarian palace demanding that the gates are opened. When TCs wish to say something, believe me they do.
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Postby DT. » Thu Aug 13, 2009 8:35 pm

YFred wrote:
repulsewarrior wrote:
We are in favour of a solution agreeable to all three parties


funny question, who are the three parties?, who is representing Cypriots?

...we can thank Makarios because without him at the Treaty of Zurich this island would already be divided.

...we can thank Denktash because he opened the gates.

i admire them both as men of Principal, who, in the end as Cypriots first, chose.

Denktash did not open the gates because he wanted to, he opend them despite the fact that he did not want to open them. The reason was because 60,000 TCs gathered infront of the muhtarian palace demanding that the gates are opened. When TCs wish to say something, believe me they do.


SO for 30 years when Denktash was in power you idiots demanded enosis with Turkey just like Denktash was demanding?
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Postby YFred » Fri Aug 14, 2009 1:20 am

DT. wrote:
YFred wrote:
repulsewarrior wrote:
We are in favour of a solution agreeable to all three parties


funny question, who are the three parties?, who is representing Cypriots?

...we can thank Makarios because without him at the Treaty of Zurich this island would already be divided.

...we can thank Denktash because he opened the gates.

i admire them both as men of Principal, who, in the end as Cypriots first, chose.

Denktash did not open the gates because he wanted to, he opend them despite the fact that he did not want to open them. The reason was because 60,000 TCs gathered infront of the muhtarian palace demanding that the gates are opened. When TCs wish to say something, believe me they do.


SO for 30 years when Denktash was in power you idiots demanded enosis with Turkey just like Denktash was demanding?

What kind of an idiotic comment is that? Denktash had attended all the meetings negotiating BBF. When did he ever negotiate for enosis? Sometimes you have to take your head out of your arse when you are talking. The smell of your posts is revolting. Or is it that they don’t have flushing toilets in the southern lands.
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Postby Paphitis » Sat Aug 15, 2009 9:11 am

YFred wrote:
DT. wrote:
YFred wrote:
repulsewarrior wrote:
We are in favour of a solution agreeable to all three parties


funny question, who are the three parties?, who is representing Cypriots?

...we can thank Makarios because without him at the Treaty of Zurich this island would already be divided.

...we can thank Denktash because he opened the gates.

i admire them both as men of Principal, who, in the end as Cypriots first, chose.

Denktash did not open the gates because he wanted to, he opend them despite the fact that he did not want to open them. The reason was because 60,000 TCs gathered infront of the muhtarian palace demanding that the gates are opened. When TCs wish to say something, believe me they do.


SO for 30 years when Denktash was in power you idiots demanded enosis with Turkey just like Denktash was demanding?

What kind of an idiotic comment is that? Denktash had attended all the meetings negotiating BBF. When did he ever negotiate for enosis? Sometimes you have to take your head out of your arse when you are talking. The smell of your posts is revolting. Or is it that they don’t have flushing toilets in the southern lands.


According to Denktash, the Cyprus Problem was solved in 1974.

When he agreed with Makarios on a Federated solution (BBF), I'm certain he had a Confederacy in mind so that he can formalise the permanent partition down the track, because he always knew that his statelet, which later became the "trnc", will never achieve any legitimacy.
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Postby Viewpoint » Sat Aug 15, 2009 11:53 am

Paphitis wrote:
YFred wrote:
DT. wrote:
YFred wrote:
repulsewarrior wrote:
We are in favour of a solution agreeable to all three parties


funny question, who are the three parties?, who is representing Cypriots?

...we can thank Makarios because without him at the Treaty of Zurich this island would already be divided.

...we can thank Denktash because he opened the gates.

i admire them both as men of Principal, who, in the end as Cypriots first, chose.

Denktash did not open the gates because he wanted to, he opend them despite the fact that he did not want to open them. The reason was because 60,000 TCs gathered infront of the muhtarian palace demanding that the gates are opened. When TCs wish to say something, believe me they do.


SO for 30 years when Denktash was in power you idiots demanded enosis with Turkey just like Denktash was demanding?

What kind of an idiotic comment is that? Denktash had attended all the meetings negotiating BBF. When did he ever negotiate for enosis? Sometimes you have to take your head out of your arse when you are talking. The smell of your posts is revolting. Or is it that they don’t have flushing toilets in the southern lands.


According to Denktash, the Cyprus Problem was solved in 1974.

When he agreed with Makarios on a Federated solution (BBF), I'm certain he had a Confederacy in mind so that he can formalise the permanent partition down the track, because he always knew that his statelet, which later became the "trnc", will never achieve any legitimacy.


Another 500 years and who knows what will happen.
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