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[Jerry]

Assuming the new pipeline through the "trnc" will only be built after an agreement then Turkey itself has provided an incentive for it to settle its differences with the ROC perhaps to the detriment of the Turks of Cyprus.

A Turkish Cypriot says Bollocks. You underestimate the influence the TRNC has in Turkish Politics.

If the pipeline is ever built I imagine the rent Turkey receives will be used to pay back the "loans" it has given to the "trnc" for the past 35 years. The Turks of Cyprus are indebted to Turkey, they have little or no influence over their "mother", they do as they are told, they will probably be stuffed by punitive mortgage repayment conditions and wish they could move south

[shahmaran]

We have a mortgage system in the TRNC?

[Kikapu]

YFred,

Once again you have proved to all that your grasp for politics in general is only one dimensional and that you are easily fooled by hype and propaganda, mostly inflicted on you by the Turkish media who have a record in distorting the truth when ever possible, and you the village idiot who just loves to lick it up, just because you think it puts the "trnc" into the "driving seat" of any of the imaginary positions you think that they control. Why don't you start reading some serious news for a change rather than all the spoon fed garbage given to you by non serious "news" rags.!.

Which bit of the news item is incorrect, old boy?

Just because it makes you and your friends look like city idiots, no need to attack the messenger an all that.

BTW the news item was not from the Turkish media!

Then show me any other serious news media that states Putin said these, which were found in what you posted.

1: Putin not only referred to the Cyprus problem but also spoke about the Blue Stream 2 gas pipeline passing through the north of Cyprus.

2: But this time there were no alarm bells about ‘recognition of the north,’ nor about Putin’s ‘provocative’ comments about bringing back the Annan plan and his wish to develop co-operation with ‘Turkish part of Cyprus’.

Putin talks about possibly bringing Blue Stream 2 gas to CYPRUS as well as other places.

Putin makes no statements even hinting the slightest in recognising the north.

Putin talks about solution to Cyprus based on UN RESOLUTIONS.

Putin talks about benefiting both communities (after a solution).

Why do you think Putin wants to make a deal with Turkey on the South Stream gas pipeline, YFred.? Well, it's not the benefit of Turkey or Europe for that matter, but rather only to benefit the Russians.

Possible answers.

a) Russia wants to create the situation where building the Nabucco pipeline through Turkey would make it economically not viable when they already have a pipeline going through Ukraine now and the second one being the South Stream. Where is the Gas going to come from to go through the Nabucco pipeline.?? There isn't enough gas to supply all three pipelines.

b) Russia will be able to play Ukraine against Turkey (like a man with 2 girlfriends) as to which gas pipeline they will send most of their gas to Europe at the very best price.

Once the South Stream is built, Ukraine will be more cooperative than they have been before. Regardless, Russia will be in a position to make Turkey and Ukraine compete against each other, while Russia gets bigger cut from allowing their gas go through in either country. What a deal for the Russians while Ukraine and Turkey fight for scraps.!

Even if there are enough gas to supply both the pipelines that the Russians will control, it will be enough to scrap the Nabucco deal, where Turkey would have had far greater control than some of the pipeline going through Turkish waters. Turkey's benefit will be far less than the Nabucco deal. With the Nabucco deal, Turkey wanted to siphon off 15% of the gas for herself as a "gate toll" for allowing the gas to be transmitted through Turkey, which then Turkey can use the gas for herself, or sell it to Europe at much higher rate which the Europeans are not too happy about, hence one of the reasons as to why the Nabucco deal has not gotten off the floor. Without Nabucco going through Turkey, where is Turkey's influence on the EU as being a solution to EU's energy needs hence making Turkey a viable energy power EU member.? Do not forget. Turkey does not have any energy to sell to the EU, but she will only be a transiting point from east to west.

Turkey, Russia sign gas pipeline deal
(AP) – 4 days ago

ANKARA, Turkey — Russian Prime Minister Vladimir Putin says a newly signed deal to build a gas pipeline through Turkish waters is vital to European energy security.

Putin and his Turkish counterpart, Recep Tayyip Erdogan, signed an agreement Thursday on constructing part of the South Stream pipeline through waters in the Black Sea.

Putin said at a news conference after the signing that the South Stream project is an alternative to an EU-backed pipeline project called Nabucco, but should not be considered a rival to it.

Russia hopes the South Stream pipeline will help maintain Russian energy dominance in European Union nations, pushing back at EU efforts to diversify its energy sources.

Copyright © 2009 The Associated Press. All rights reserved.

[Get Real!]

Kikapu,

For once, Y-Fronts gets all fired up and excited and you had to push him back down in the shit again!

[shahmaran]

They are just his interpretations GR, everyone is entitled to one...

[Get Real!]

They are just his interpretations GR, everyone is entitled to one...

I admire Kikapu's meticulous analysis… it's a hell of a lot more than I'd ever be prepared to do for Y-Fronts!

[shahmaran]

They are just his interpretations GR, everyone is entitled to one...

I admire Kikapu's meticulous analysis… it's a hell of a lot more than I'd ever be prepared to do for Y-Fronts!

"to do" or "could do", makes all the difference GR

I too admire Kikapu's long and coherent responses, however I also cannot help but often feel how they are sometimes been forced to fit into his personal views, taking the objectivity out from them.

Just my opinion

[cymart]

Unlike many people who post on this site,I have lived and worked in Russia quite recently and probably know far more about the place and the regime which runs it than many foreigners.Putin was -and still is, a KGB(now called FSB) man and even said himself that nobody ever retires from that organisation!Expecting these kind of people to understand the kind of values like democracy,human rights etc that we value in the West is at best naive....his concerns are Russias hegemony and economic interests and if that includes baiting and upsetting those of the West,which he doe not trust anyway,so much the better!So he is doing his job perfectly,playing the card with Turkey and knowing damn well that the West also wants Turkey under its wing!Cyprus is not even a minor concern for him when big stakes are involved but try convincing Greek-Cypriot supporters and brown-nosers of Russia about this......If any high-level official from another major power had dared to make such a deal with Turkey accompanied with statements about Cyprus like Putin did,the Gree-Cypriots would have erupted like a volcano in protest!...
I have often tried to tell people here who hold illusions that Russia will do anything practical to pressure Turkey,to wake-up to reality because they have not done so and are not likely to either for the forseeable future!They should also ask themselves whether Russia even thinks it would be in their interest for the Cyprus problem to be solved when that would strenghten Nato and Greco-Turkish relations in an area where they know the West has bases and what it considers to be vital strategic interests?
Putin also avoided meeting Christophias during his visit to Moscow last year and this is always glossed-over with excuses here whenever the subject is raised...Or is it simply because more than a small number of the political establishment here have law offices and accountancy businesses which handle enormous sums of transient Russian money of dubious origin and this is enough to excuse any other wrong-doings by Moscow by not actively supporting the Greek-Cypriot cause???

[YFred]

They are just his interpretations GR, everyone is entitled to one...

And we all know where they come from

[BOF]

A concise and precise post from Cymart.
Russia is re building itself into a force to be recognised, with many of its old ways and habits returning. If it can dominate global energy markets it has its hands on the wests throat without firing a bullet.
Ask yourself If russia did turn its back on the ROC, apart from money laundering what would it lose?
Was there a clause in the agreement stating that the Cyprus problem has to be solved before any gas is pumped through the pipeline? I dont think so.
do you think Russia would embark on such a project if there was a possibility that it might not use it if the problem of Cyprus wasnt solved by then..
Buying 41 tanks from someone doesnt include buying their loyalty.
BOF