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[shahmaran]

. You amd your kind have raped and pillaged the whole world in a most bastardly way possible - always because of bigger firepower or army (most of which was not even English).

So says an example from the only Empire (Otto) which did absolutely nothing but destroy emerging civilisations. At least the British Empire took some worthwhile offerings to the (otherwise) enslaved ... like railways, education and the English language. Those countries, with some way to go, at least have been left relatively free to pursue improvement. What has the Ottoman Empire left, but carnage?

The only truly devastating destruction happened in Cyprus where the Ottomans and Brits clashed and the worst befell the GCs ...

In most books that is called "imposing" your own culture on other people, you might want to take it in another way, that is your opinion, but this was never the policy of the Ottomans, hence why you are still who you are.

If the Ottomans worked like the Brits did, today you would be speaking Turkish, so what is your point?

[Simon]

Another Turkish Nationalist idiot.

Even Shitmaran ended up agreeing with my argument, and you have not even addressed it with that stupid post, so you can just go and crawl back under that stone you came from.

The only argument you had was to clarify your own misunderstanding

I never said anything different at the start of the thread then what I have said at the end, you are the idiot who kept confusing events and needed correcting.

What you stated at the beginning was very different from what you said at the end. Like I said, I forced you to clarify.

Now we have BigOz, a known nationalist Turk (as 99% of you are) weighing in talking up once again the Turkish Army's invincibility. You are like brainwashed rats.

You did not do shit!

I said the Turks beat the Brits, the French and the Greeks 2 times, single handed, and that is exactly what happened, which I then went over the whole story over and over until you could get it through your head.

The fact that you are grasping for straws regarding the defeat of the Brits not being a "real" defeat (whatever that means), does not change the truth a single bit, you lost, they won and that is the end of the story, what the hell are you arguing for?!

You stated the Turks beat the British Army, which was later proved to be bollocks! You also missed out key facts like, Turkey only winning once the Greeks had lost support etc. You also missed out key elements such as Russian support. I have put you straight on all these things so don't make me repeat it all.

Look moron, I was not the one to start the with the details of the war, they are absolutely irrelevant and all my argument was based on the outcome, which was our victory and your defeat, there is nothing you can argue against the facts of history, so stop wasting you breath.

The pommies were trashed 2 times, just get over it

Listen you clown, you denied the details when I first expanded on what you said to clarify your misleading impression. You ended up clarifying yourself. End of story.

[bigOz]

I've been arguing my case with links this whole fucking thread you retarded prick! Now you jump in and think I'm going to go over it all again with you twat?

So if you have nothing else to add, other than stupid bollocks nationalist sentament, fuck off!

The only nationalist pig in this forum is a British Imperialist itchy arse like yourself... You amd your kind have raped and pillaged the whole world in a most bastardly way possible - always because of bigger firepower or army (most of which was not even English). I say! So what's been happenin lately old chap!

No one said Turkish army is invincible - but even your own history and military books will not deny their courage! What I do not understand is why are you so angry about a historic fact that may portray a Turkish soldiers as good fighters - did a Turk do something bad to your mother or sister? If so, good for him! For you are a sadist nation of children fuckers, rapists, perverts, and murderers. Go sort your own home LOOOSEEEER!

I'm an imperialist because I speak with facts regarding the history of the British Empire. Great argument BigArse, what else do you have?

You talk about what the British did to the world, you want to look at TCs and Turkey BigArse. They've done their fair share of genocide, killing, raping etc. I don't think anybody can top you Turks! You talk about the British using more firepower/army, and what was Turkey doing when attacking Cyprus? Now that was DASTARDLY. Thick shit.

I do not deny any soldier's courage. But I wanted Shitmaran to clarify the implications that he made. If you read the thread properly, rather than jumping in boasting as if you will put anybody straight on this topic like you're the oracle on Turkish nationalist history, you may have realised this BigArse.

That comment about my mother/sister just shows what a sick bastard you are. A Turk showing true colours. I don't need to say anything more because you drag yourself in the gutter you wanker! The Turks are a nation of nationalist lunatics who worship Ataturk, and TCs aren't much better.

And Mr Siton, I guess the British are a nation of clever wankers because they worship a pussy like the queen? Listen to me Siton; I do not need to read your rubbish in these threads! What I saw in your arguments in the last couple of posts explains exactly where you are coming from and what you are trying to prove...

The facts are YOU GOT FUCKED BADLY in Turkey both before and after you decided to add it to your colonial collection! Just to let you know, Turkey is the only nation in that area who was never ruled by colonial or imperialist powers - ever!

You have a cheek to call me a sick so and so, when in your posts all you have done is swear and curse. You still have not come up with anything solid about your arguments. And what's with Russian help??? Of course they gave Turks guns and ammo! Then again you were probably expecting bows and arrows like in America where you managed to conquer the Indians...

Have you never read the numbers of soldiers involved during the fights that went on in Gallipoli or Anatolia? The Turkish army was outnumbered by between 5 and 10 to one against the enemy (depending on location) - yet they managed to push them out!

As for the Greeks being left alone, the Brits never expected a fully equipped army outnumbering the Turks in great proportion being pushed into the Aegean (literally) so quickly. British did not even have the balls to fight the advancing inferior Turkish army (I guess they were short of Anzacs, Scots, Indians or Welsh to fight for them). They made a peace treaty and returned Istanbul with the surrounding area back to Turks in a hurry!

So Mr Siton - why don't you stop inviting abuse (not that I feel you are really offended by what happens to your mother or sister) and talk sense, and maybe you will get sensible and/or civilised replies. Until then you will be addressed as the uncivilised dickhead of Siton that you are!

[shahmaran]

Listen you clown, you denied the details when I first expanded on what you said to clarify your misleading impression. You ended up clarifying yourself. End of story.

I did not deny nothing, in fact I had to correct you as you did not know anything about the actual topic, other than some faulty facts that you got to research on the way.

The debate ended with exactly the same facts as it started, you just wanted to paint them a little in order to make the double defeat of the British sound less like a "defeat".

I understand you are some illiterate British nationalist who hates to hear the defeat of his evil empire, but you should know, no one likes pompous poodles who try and twist history.

You were DEFEATED x 2 mate, get over it

[Oracle]

. You amd your kind have raped and pillaged the whole world in a most bastardly way possible - always because of bigger firepower or army (most of which was not even English).

So says an example from the only Empire (Otto) which did absolutely nothing but destroy emerging civilisations. At least the British Empire took some worthwhile offerings to the (otherwise) enslaved ... like railways, education and the English language. Those countries, with some way to go, at least have been left relatively free to pursue improvement. What has the Ottoman Empire left, but carnage?

The only truly devastating destruction happened in Cyprus where the Ottomans and Brits clashed and the worst befell the GCs ...

In most books that is called "imposing" your own culture on other people, you might want to take it in another way, that is your opinion, but this was never the policy of the Ottomans, hence why you are still who you are.

If the Ottomans worked like the Brits did, today you would be speaking Turkish, so what is your point?

It's not merely about the language, shah. The Ottomans did nothing but destroy. The choice to adopt English usually happened after the Brits left as a consequence of the opportunities left behind by the (double-edged sword) British Empire.

As latter day Empires, the Ottoman and British were like chalk and cheese. The Ottomans just took and destroyed. The Brits took and harmed, then tried to make amends (except in Cyprus where the Otto and Brits clashed ... but that's another story!).

[Simon]

And Mr Siton, I guess the British are a nation of clever wankers because they worship a pussy like the queen? Listen to me Siton; I do not need to read your rubbish in these threads! What I saw in your arguments in the last couple of posts explains exactly where you are coming from and what you are trying to prove...

The British do not idolise the Queen anything like the God-like status that Ataturk is held in. Many Brits are even republicans. In fact comparing the two is simply ridiculous.

What am I trying to prove then genius? And please back up your claims with evidence! You don't even follow the debate and you think you're qualified to tell me what I'm tryng to prove?

The facts are YOU GOT FUCKED BADLY in Turkey both before and after you decided to add it to your colonial collection! Just to let you know, Turkey is the only nation in that area who was never ruled by colonial or imperialist powers - ever!

Isn't it amazing! This must be stirring the nationalist pride within your heart! Let's not mention how the Ottoman Empire was humiliated. Nor how Turkish Nationalists were being pushed back to Ankara, until political events turned the tide of the war and British support for Greece ceased. By the way, Turkey is only a modern construct, so what you claim is not all that amazing.

You have a cheek to call me a sick so and so, when in your posts all you have done is swear and curse. You still have not come up with anything solid about your arguments. And what's with Russian help??? Of course they gave Turks guns and ammo! Then again you were probably expecting bows and arrows like in America where you managed to conquer the Indians...

How would you know what I have said in my posts? You just admitted that you haven't even followed this debate properly you idiot? I curse when I'm cursed at. In any event, what I said was nowhere near as twisted as your sick comments. I mentioned Russian help because it was omitted previously, simple. If you want to say Britain was on the Greek side of the war due to them supplying and arming Greece, then you can't ignore the Russian contribution to Turkey either, can you?

Have you never read the numbers of soldiers involved during the fights that went on in Gallipoli or Anatolia? The Turkish army was outnumbered by between 5 and 10 to one against the enemy (depending on location) - yet they managed to push them out!

Gallipoli was one battle in a war that YOU GOT FUCKED UP IN; let's not forget. Well I'm not sure what battles or locations you are referring to, but in the Greco-Turkish war the Greeks were probably outnumbered. Greeks had about 200,000, the Turks had anything up to 350,000 by some estimates.

As for the Greeks being left alone, the Brits never expected a fully equipped army outnumbering the Turks in great proportion being pushed into the Aegean (literally) so quickly. British did not even have the balls to fight the advancing inferior Turkish army (I guess they were short of Anzacs, Scots, Indians or Welsh to fight for them). They made a peace treaty and returned Istanbul with the surrounding area back to Turks in a hurry!

Is there an argument amongst this? The British ceased supporting the Greeks, how many times do I have to say it? So they were hardly going to fight the advancing Turkish nationals were they? I don't see where I'm being contradicted.

So Mr Siton - why don't you stop inviting abuse (not that I feel you are really offended by what happens to your mother or sister) and talk sense, and maybe you will get sensible and/or civilised replies. Until then you will be addressed as the uncivilised dickhead of Siton that you are!

I don't give a damn what you feel! You don't know anything about me or my family, so if you mention them again you may regret it.

[YFred]

. You amd your kind have raped and pillaged the whole world in a most bastardly way possible - always because of bigger firepower or army (most of which was not even English).

So says an example from the only Empire (Otto) which did absolutely nothing but destroy emerging civilisations. At least the British Empire took some worthwhile offerings to the (otherwise) enslaved ... like railways, education and the English language. Those countries, with some way to go, at least have been left relatively free to pursue improvement. What has the Ottoman Empire left, but carnage?

The only truly devastating destruction happened in Cyprus where the Ottomans and Brits clashed and the worst befell the GCs ...

In most books that is called "imposing" your own culture on other people, you might want to take it in another way, that is your opinion, but this was never the policy of the Ottomans, hence why you are still who you are.

If the Ottomans worked like the Brits did, today you would be speaking Turkish, so what is your point?

It's not merely about the language, shah. The Ottomans did nothing but destroy. The choice to adopt English usually happened after the Brits left as a consequence of the opportunities left behind by the (double-edged sword) British Empire.

As latter day Empires, the Ottoman and British were like chalk and cheese. The Ottomans just took and destroyed. The Brits took and harmed, then tried to make amends (except in Cyprus where the Otto and Brits clashed ... but that's another story!).

Forgive me for my intrusion but in the Ottoman Empire the real power was with the Vezir and he was always from the empire. So were the Queens and the Heirs. What are you GCs all complaining about?

[shahmaran]

. You amd your kind have raped and pillaged the whole world in a most bastardly way possible - always because of bigger firepower or army (most of which was not even English).

So says an example from the only Empire (Otto) which did absolutely nothing but destroy emerging civilisations. At least the British Empire took some worthwhile offerings to the (otherwise) enslaved ... like railways, education and the English language. Those countries, with some way to go, at least have been left relatively free to pursue improvement. What has the Ottoman Empire left, but carnage?

The only truly devastating destruction happened in Cyprus where the Ottomans and Brits clashed and the worst befell the GCs ...

In most books that is called "imposing" your own culture on other people, you might want to take it in another way, that is your opinion, but this was never the policy of the Ottomans, hence why you are still who you are.

If the Ottomans worked like the Brits did, today you would be speaking Turkish, so what is your point?

It's not merely about the language, shah. The Ottomans did nothing but destroy. The choice to adopt English usually happened after the Brits left as a consequence of the opportunities left behind by the (double-edged sword) British Empire.

As latter day Empires, the Ottoman and British were like chalk and cheese. The Ottomans just took and destroyed. The Brits took and harmed, then tried to make amends (except in Cyprus where the Otto and Brits clashed ... but that's another story!).

That is a very crude statement you are making Oracle, does not suit such an intellectual as yourself, you always let your racist hate get in front of your ability for rational thinking and end up making silly comments.

The Ottoman Empire included many countries and hardly any of them can be considered as "destroyed". If anything they have suffered a lot from the constant exchange of powers that ruled them, almost all included the Europeans as well as the Ottomans. North Africa for instance.

Let's not even start with the atrocities of the French, so what if they all speak French now?

What is so great about changing the language of such ancient civilizations, ruining their culture?!

You complain about us changing the names of some streets!!

How can you say that this is better than the way the Ottoman's used to "leave them to it" in return for nothing but tax?

[Get Real!]

Paphitis vs Simon vs Shah vs BigOz

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[YFred]

Paphitis vs Simon vs Shah vs BigOz

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