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[cannedmoose]

cool.... great, at least now i 'know' someone!!!

Any friend of Bro's is a friend of mine (unless it's Source)

do you remember the stuff i talked about towards my solution because ive kind of edited it a little bit and i think it would really work....

I'll try to start a new forum of something with them

sadly my ideas would mean population shifts which most people seem to disagree with...but if a solution is needed, i feel it has to be done.

Go for it Dhavlos, all new opinions are welcome and it'll be good to see if you've got a new approach.

[Dhavlos]

thanks moose, i'll be back with my ideas soon

[brother]

Excellent Dhavlos lets carry on where we left but the good thing is that on this forum there are many decent folk who will all contribute, so get ready for some lengthy and decent debates my friend.

[MicAtCyp]

Why do every TC leader depend so much on Turkey? It's mainly because of the mistrust between TCs and GCs.

Every TC leader depends on Turkey simply because the results of the Invasion force you to depend on them in all fields be it militarily, economically, politically etc. Under these conditions what kind of trust do you expect from the Gcs who suffered the most tragic consequences of this invasion, "trust to the allmighty God?"

Believe me, if you had a leader whom majority of TCs can trust, we wouldn't depend so much on Turkey.

Perhaps you are talking for a GC leader who would say yes to direct flights and trade, say yes for you to be recognised as an independent state, say yes to all settlers even let them come to the free areas and work, tell the GCs to spend more time in stolen hotels in the occupied areas, someone who would abolish the National guard and let the Turkish army take all Cyprus, invite you all to come here take your properties and sell them, and then go back in the occupied and live like kings in our properties etc etc.
Why don't you try to have a leader that the majority of Gcs can trust then? I am really curious to know.Is it because such a leader would be a traitor for you?

[metecyp]

Perhaps you are talking for a GC leader who would say yes to direct flights and trade, say yes for you to be recognised as an independent state, say yes to all settlers even let them come to the free areas and work, tell the GCs to spend more time in stolen hotels in the occupied areas, someone who would abolish the National guard and let the Turkish army take all Cyprus, invite you all to come here take your properties and sell them, and then go back in the occupied and live like kings in our properties etc etc.

No, you're wrong once again. I can give you some simple actions that a GC RoC president can pursue to gain TC trust.
1- Make a public announcement to all TCs asking them to select the missing TC vice-president and TC ministers and ask them to actively participate in the RoC.
2- Remove all Greek flags next to RoC flags.
3- Find and punish GCs who were responsible of Atlilar-Murataga-Sandallar-Dohni massacres.
4- Form a TC and GC history society to rewrite the history of Cyprus and teach this history at schools.

Why don't you try to have a leader that the majority of Gcs can trust then? I am really curious to know.Is it because such a leader would be a traitor for you?

Well, isn't this the same reason for you? Is there a brave enough GC politician who can ask to punish Atlilar-Murataga-Sandallar massacres? Besides, your side claims to represent TCs, don't you think your side has more responsbility to work for the trust of TCs?

[Yiannis]

1- Make a public announcement to all TCs asking them to select the missing TC vice-president and TC ministers and ask them to actively participate in the RoC

I agree with all ur points except the above one. This cannot be done before a solution is found or the Turkish Forces are gone.

[metecyp]

I agree with all ur points except the above one. This cannot be done before a solution is found or the Turkish Forces are gone.

Your logic is: "TCs cannot participate in the RoC until Turkish army leaves", right? Well, why do you tell to the whole world that the structure in the south is the RoC that represents TCs when you have no intention to do so anyway? Wouldn't it be more sincere to call the structure in the south GC-RoC?

[Yiannis]

How do u expect us to put you in the ROC goverment while there is still Turkish power over in the North.Its like suiciding.The TC vicepresident might as well just try and boycott the goverment and when it accomplishes that go back to the north and declare the partition.I hope u get what i mean here.
I said that many times.For me TCs demanding fot the army to stay there doesnt make sense.

[Kifeas]

I agree with all ur points except the above one. This cannot be done before a solution is found or the Turkish Forces are gone.

Your logic is: "TCs cannot participate in the RoC until Turkish army leaves", right? Well, why do you tell to the whole world that the structure in the south is the RoC that represents TCs when you have no intention to do so anyway? Wouldn't it be more sincere to call the structure in the south GC-RoC?

Mete, this issue has already been tried at the ECHRs in the case of Ibrahim Aziz Vs Cyprus. Now the RoC parliament adopted new laws that will allow TCs residing in the south to exercise their political rights in the RoC.

I understand you are talking about the separate political rights as they were exercised before 1963.
How do you see this thing been materialised, from a logical and practical aspect?

• Where and how the TCs will exercise (vote) their political rights?
• Which authority will construct the voter’s list, organize the elections, supervise the process, and count the results?
• How many TCs should turn up in order for these elections to constitute a true representation of the TC community?
• What will be the role of those presumably elected and what their relationship Vs the "TRNC" and the Turkish occupation will be?
• What will happen if one morning the Turkish army or the TRNC police refuse to allow them to cross south and participate in the parliament or in the ministerial council? Wouldn't that mean that the RoC would become incapable to function?
• What if when the ministerial council resumes in order to discuss some policy measures against some issue in relation to the Cyprus problem or the "TRNC," like the issue of direct trading for example, and the TC vice president vetoes everything?
• Can any TC elected MP or appointed minister of the RoC, assume at the same time to be a citizen and perhaps a political figure of the "TRNC" and at the same time a member of the RoC government or parliament, while the RoC considers the "TRNC" an illegal break away state?

[Bananiot]

I have been extremely busy lately and not able to follow the debates in the forum (its difficult to follow all topics as it is) but yesterday I found something that I think I should share with you.

It was around 1962, many months before the onset of the intercommunal strife and the TC members of th RoC Parliament walked out of the room in protest during a meeting. Dr Lyssarides was the first speaker after the TC representatives walked out. He started his speech like this:

"Dear colleaques, now that the Turks have left, I can call you colleaques"

My question is: Could Lyssarides or indeed any GC with the mentality of the doctor, ever give his consent for a solution which is based on political equality of the two communities?