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[shahmaran]

One does not have to know much about the content of a debate in order to be able to spot who is talking sense and who is talking shite

She is with me now, you mess with her you mess with me Paphitos, alright gringo?

[baby-come-fly-with-me]

I meant the other thread god dam it!!!

Oh not again.

I tell you what, I will respond to that one as well tomorrow....

That's fine Paphitis, I understand, you need to do some thinking, and you need time

It is OK, I can wait

No, it is just that all my responses to you seem to be long winded and I dion't have the energy right now.... But anything that makes you feel good... you did get beat up quite badly this evening so I think you need a break in order to re-group...

You will keep...

Beat up by who exactly?

The guy has gone quiet if you haven't noticed, it could be a strategical retreat, but then we won't know just yet

By everyone!

Piratis has ...... with your head and Nikitas had you by the short and curleys when he asked you what the GCs should do since you condone Turkey's invasion (that one really cracked me up ...poetry), and then you were blown away by my response which you are unable to address....

But Nikitas really did get to you and your lost your cool...

leave sha alone, he is a good man who stands his ground and should be well and truely respected for that

you sound like bullies, and seem to want to provoke him for reasons surrounding your own insecurities. you seem to have run out of comments of which sha is awaiting, it seems as your level of intelligence is somewhat backwards compared to his, therefore it appears also that one has to start acting in a non intelect manner, whereas the sha can sit back and have a laugh on your expense..maybe im wrong, maybe im not!!

Talking to yourself again I see... But this time you appear angry...

Do you even know anything about the Cyprus Problem? If so, come and join in, because we would be happy to have you around....and you can enlighten us with your persepctive....

I know all i need to know thanks, And thank you kindly for the invite however i will have to turn it down. You see I have a tendancy to avoid conversations where certain comments appear to be somewhat tedious and seem to be going nowhere, sorry maybe next time

[Paphitis]

One does not have to know much about the content of a debate in order to be able to spot who is talking sense and who is talking shite

She is with me now, you mess with her you mess with me Paphitos, alright gringo?

You are made for each other....enjoy!

[Svetlana]

Now, I don't know if ex-pats leaving Cyprus are abanding their pets or not, but most I know, who have dogs etc love them to pieces and would only 'abandon' them if they really had to.

Why are they being left behind? I suppose if people are leaving because they are in dire financial circumstances, the cost of transporting a pet at this time is a serious consideration.

And where are these people returning to? They are unlikely to have homes in the UK to go to. So they will be returning to stay with relatives, in hotels, or renting an apartment/house, while they get their lives in order again. In all these cases, having a pet may well be out of the question, So, I would suggest that most pet owners leaving their pets here only do so because there is little option.

Has anyone any numbers on these 'abandoned pets?

Lana

i know here in the north the rescue is at breaking point.
in the last week i have had calls from people needing a kennel to put their dog at until a flight is sorted, loads of people are leaving and taking their dogs but i guess the same amount will be leaving their dog behind.

i can't believe that anyone would allow themselves to get that broke that they couldn't afford to take their dog home with them. at least in the south you can use the pets scheme.
we have to do quarantine coming from the north. 6 months quarantine costs quite a bit.

In some ways that is surprising; the Property Market in the north is quite as bad as it is in Pafos, so how can people afford to return to the UK when they have not sold their property, where they will be faced with additional accommodation costs, which must outweigh the difference in cost between living in the UK and living in Cyprus? Unless they are renting of course.

Bit of a Catch 22 situation...


Lana (tired cliches a speciality!)

[Get Real!]

I will just give you one example. Indonesia invaded East Timor and occupied it for decades slaughtering thousands of indigenous Portuguese. Australia could not give a damn, until oil and gas was discovered between Timor and Australia. All of a sudden, Australia decided to land its SAS in to secure a beach head. F-18s secured the airspace, F-111 were on standby to soften any targets, Orions were searching for Indonesian Submarines, and the a the Naval LSH and LST fleets were sent in. Dili Airport was secured and then troops were also air lifted in. The Indonesians fled from Timor and there were few skirmishes between them and us. East Timor was effectively liberated in a week with Australian forces securing the countryside village by village.

You're out of touch with reality!

The UN granted East Timor “self determination” and a subsequent referendum approved independence, and in conjunction with US pressure Indonesia abandoned East Timor. After Indonesia was gone, Australia moved in under UN guidance/permission to quell rival East Timorese factions struggling with the newfound independence.

Australia would’ve never dared to land in East Timor had the Indonesian military still been there so quit posting manufactured bollocks!

[Milo]

Now, I don't know if ex-pats leaving Cyprus are abanding their pets or not, but most I know, who have dogs etc love them to pieces and would only 'abandon' them if they really had to.

Why are they being left behind? I suppose if people are leaving because they are in dire financial circumstances, the cost of transporting a pet at this time is a serious consideration.

And where are these people returning to? They are unlikely to have homes in the UK to go to. So they will be returning to stay with relatives, in hotels, or renting an apartment/house, while they get their lives in order again. In all these cases, having a pet may well be out of the question, So, I would suggest that most pet owners leaving their pets here only do so because there is little option.

Has anyone any numbers on these 'abandoned pets?

Lana

i know here in the north the rescue is at breaking point.
in the last week i have had calls from people needing a kennel to put their dog at until a flight is sorted, loads of people are leaving and taking their dogs but i guess the same amount will be leaving their dog behind.

i can't believe that anyone would allow themselves to get that broke that they couldn't afford to take their dog home with them. at least in the south you can use the pets scheme.
we have to do quarantine coming from the north. 6 months quarantine costs quite a bit.

In some ways that is surprising; the Property Market in the north is quite as bad as it is in Pafos, so how can people afford to return to the UK when they have not sold their property, where they will be faced with additional accommodation costs, which must outweigh the difference in cost between living in the UK and living in Cyprus? Unless they are renting of course.

Bit of a Catch 22 situation...


Lana (tired cliches a speciality!)

The shelters in the South are in the same position right now in fact not only are the ex-pats adding to the misery of neglected animals the annual august holiday brings with it more abandoned animals, we see dogs and puppies dumped here in the village regularly, when we try and find a shelter they are always full, the onus then becomes on the finder to keep or house the animal until THEY can find it a home as many of us are unable to walk away. This is a ridiculous situation, it needs govt help at least to the shelters who do a great job in extremely bad circumstances. I could,nt do it, it must be heartbreaking.

The least I do is take a donation to our local one Argos, but they need a regular income to keep going, the govt I think donates approx €500 per YEAR, how can we thank them.

Cydra helps relocate abandoned and neglected dogs to Germany or Sweden last year Germany took 400 to re-home, our local vet has a lady who re-homes dogs to Sweden. So as these charities are soaring in this country and not all run by expats either, they deserve at least some monetary help. The SBA lads also built and paid for new shelters at Argos, so many are trying to sortout this dreadful neglect.

Then of course we have the cat problem Many are tring to cope with the spaying plan, hundreds of thousands of cats to deal with tourists feed them and leave, then authorities move in and poisen them So never ending. It needs money and more effort all round, the expats and other EU immigrants cannot be expected to take in all the strays any longer, we all have too many, so thats why the 'do something about it now' arguement is rising.

I cannot believe how FULL the shelters get here, anyone dumping their pets whatever nationality imho has no excuse whatsoever

No numbers other than Cydra and Argos if you look on their websites Lana, but hey who in authority would wish to admit that!!

I repeat the laws put in place in 2004 are never enforced, niether has anyone been prosecuted for poisoning, even though approx 10,000 are killed this way per year. And there is a law against this too. Now a new poison has hit the shores, Carbufarin, even more deadly.

The Green Party in Cyprus are also active in wanting this stamped out, they would always get my vote, they were the party that got Lannate banned.

In one year we have had three kittens, four dogs one tiny pup thrown out near us, then before we got near them an alsation and a doberman killed on the road In a tiny development of four properties but out on the fringes of the village. We call the Police now, guess what, they don,t come.......Total indifference, soon we will be coping with abandoned hunting dogs when they don,t perform, they have to be the cruellest cases I have seen.

The answer is govt money lots of it and this would at least help all the neglected animals and laws enforced strictly where possible. Cruelty to animals will always be there I know, but at least having a decent animal welfare system would allievate the problem, surely?

I too have been to the north, and seen exactly the same as here with strays.

Emotion does,nt help, niether name calling or comparisons, it needs money and law enforcement. And maybe the Cyprus Animal rescue Organistion set up or similar.

[cyprusgeoff]

How nice to see this thread back on topic instead of these windbags and their never ending mindless drivel about the north/south divide they keep banging on about.

You have your own section on this forum to bore each other to death with your pathetic hatred and racist opinions.

Why do you barge into every thread and try to score point over each other and bore the rest of us with your brainless rantings?

[Raymanoff]

bad adminsitration and moderation i think... Lana, cmon kick some Turks ass please... ban few IPs

[Paphitis]

I will just give you one example. Indonesia invaded East Timor and occupied it for decades slaughtering thousands of indigenous Portuguese. Australia could not give a damn, until oil and gas was discovered between Timor and Australia. All of a sudden, Australia decided to land its SAS in to secure a beach head. F-18s secured the airspace, F-111 were on standby to soften any targets, Orions were searching for Indonesian Submarines, and the a the Naval LSH and LST fleets were sent in. Dili Airport was secured and then troops were also air lifted in. The Indonesians fled from Timor and there were few skirmishes between them and us. East Timor was effectively liberated in a week with Australian forces securing the countryside village by village.

You're out of touch with reality!

The UN granted East Timor “self determination” and a subsequent referendum approved independence, and in conjunction with US pressure Indonesia abandoned East Timor. After Indonesia was gone, Australia moved in under UN guidance/permission to quell rival East Timorese factions struggling with the newfound independence.

Australia would’ve never dared to land in East Timor had the Indonesian military still been there so quit posting manufactured bollocks!

Stop talking nonsense my friend.

F-18s were buzzing them day and and night, the Naval fleet was anchored within their 12nm territorial seas, Orions were shadowing their subs, and the SAS landed at Dili International Airport and the harbour.

The Indonesians crapped their pants so all they could do was run away....

http://www.specialoperations.com/Foreig ... ention.htm

There was also some mediocre British and NZ SAS involvement under Australian command which is a prerequisite to ensuring military success it would seem!

It was a typical Australian text book military operation, executed to perfection and you know it....

[Get Real!]

I will just give you one example. Indonesia invaded East Timor and occupied it for decades slaughtering thousands of indigenous Portuguese. Australia could not give a damn, until oil and gas was discovered between Timor and Australia. All of a sudden, Australia decided to land its SAS in to secure a beach head. F-18s secured the airspace, F-111 were on standby to soften any targets, Orions were searching for Indonesian Submarines, and the a the Naval LSH and LST fleets were sent in. Dili Airport was secured and then troops were also air lifted in. The Indonesians fled from Timor and there were few skirmishes between them and us. East Timor was effectively liberated in a week with Australian forces securing the countryside village by village.

You're out of touch with reality!

The UN granted East Timor “self determination” and a subsequent referendum approved independence, and in conjunction with US pressure Indonesia abandoned East Timor. After Indonesia was gone, Australia moved in under UN guidance/permission to quell rival East Timorese factions struggling with the newfound independence.

Australia would’ve never dared to land in East Timor had the Indonesian military still been there so quit posting manufactured bollocks!

Stop talking nonsense my friend.

F-18s were buzzing them day and and night, the Naval fleet was anchored within their 12nm territorial seas, Orions were shadowing their subs, and the SAS landed at Dili International Airport and the harbour.

The Indonesians crapped their pants so all they could do was run away....

http://www.specialoperations.com/Foreig ... ention.htm

There was also some mediocre British and NZ SAS involvement under Australian command which is a prerequisite to ensuring military success it would seem!

It was a typical Australian text book military operation, executed to perfection and you know it....

READ YOUR LINK!