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Postby miltiades » Sun Aug 09, 2009 9:53 am

Any dreams that lived on in the occupied part that the world would soon recognise the pseudo state came to an abrupt end following the first of many to come in my opinion ECJ , and the recent rejection by the British courts on direct flights. The T/Cs are undergoing the "extinction" process as Turkey prepares to commit diplomatic suicide in the false belief that the world would stand buy and recognize the annexation of a part of European soil.

The current talks appear to be progressively leading to a failure since every one involved in direct talks knows that Turkey's insistence on guarantor status will be rejected by the overwhelming majority of the Cypriot people. The RoC must be fully conversant with the peoples wishes , it would be a futile exercise to even attempt to device a watered down version to be put to the people .Turkey KNOWS 100% that the G/Cs will never accept her demand of guarantor status , why then is she pretending to support a solution knowing fully well the position of the overwhelming majority of Cypriot people.

The scenario to follow is therefore the following.
The "trnc" currently relies on Turkey for its economic sustenance . The British purchase of land has or its coming to a standstill . Economically the occupied part has not the slightest chance of sustaining itself without the full support of Turkey.
Turkey is on a course of annexing the northern part of Cyprus , the process has begun , the banning of the T/C and replacement with Turks of Cyprus is a major indication that annexation has entered face one . We shall see over the next few months further annexation acts taking place , the introduction of religious teachings at schools , the full introduction of the Turkish curriculum , the replacement of anything with the words Turkish Cypriot , be it newspapers , products etc.
Turkey thinks it can do so and at the same time proceed unhindered towards EU membership.
I think she is in for a rude awakening.

Faced with Turkeys commitment to permanently annexing the northern part of Cyprus , the RoC government has a number of options in my opinion.

1. Gain the trust of the T/Cs with actions and not words. 60 thousand of them have the RoC passport and are citizens of the RoC . Openly invite the participation of T/C politicians in government. Appoint a new minister of " displaced RoC citizens . Be seen to be genuinely trying to reunite our island even at the risk of coming under criticism from within.
We need to get the T/Cs on our side , I know hundreds who dislike immensely the course that Turkey has embarked upon.

2.Intensify political activity worldwide and encourage action against Brits who purchased G/C land in the occupied parts. The Brits must be challenged , just as the Orams have , first in the courts of the RoC and then in the European Courts.
As a moderate I have always rejected calls for the arrests of those foreign investors in G/C land in the occupied parts , I'm not certain how my reaction would now be having briefly witnessed the venomous attacks by the Brits in the occupied parts against the G/Cs and specifically their denial that the owners of land prior to 1974 were indeed the legal owners.
The RoC government must not and can not accept these individuals flying out of Larnaca whilst illegally in possession of G/C land in the north.
Tougher action is required in order to send the message to all that Turkey can not be permitted , or rather tolerated in her efforts for annexation of the occupied lands.
I'm convinced beyond a shadow of a doubt that Turkey has embarked upon the road to annexation having realized that partition and recognition of the "trnc" will not materialize.

3.As a EU member Cyprus has every right to use her veto against Turkeys progression into EU membership .
Turkey has to realize that the EU is a democratic establishment and has important criteria that prospective member nations must meet prior to membership. One of them is that each member nation recognizes the legality of another member. Turkey refuses to recognize the RoC . She must be made fully aware in December that her failure to conform with EU directives in opening her ports etc will bring her European journey to an end .Cyprus has the full force of EU law on her side . She must use it. Time is running out .
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Postby Viewpoint » Sun Aug 09, 2009 10:46 am

Nikitas wrote:You live as free people, without the ridiculous demands of settlers on you and taking orders from the commandant ot the army or the amabassador. I know, I know, you are just fine now and the usual nonsense you spout in here and meanwhile you are getting fewer and fewer every year.


So what you are saying is exchange all that tp live as "free people" ruled by the majority which happened to be GCs.
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Postby Nikitas » Sun Aug 09, 2009 12:09 pm

VP, you must have your own version of BBF in your mind or I am not understanding the concept that is in the media. BBF is supposed to have separate governments, one for each region plus one for the whole country. How can anyone force you to live under GC majority if you vote for every single official in your region, who must be TC, and you also get equal say in the central government? Where is the majority GC etc in that deal?

But the point is to be your own boss in your own region, and the way things are going that is NOT going to happen because TCs are no longer a majority in their region. That is the point I was making.
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Postby miltiades » Sun Aug 09, 2009 8:05 pm

I think VP ought to move to Turkey then he will be amongst his people !!
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Postby Viewpoint » Sun Aug 09, 2009 8:13 pm

Nikitas wrote:VP, you must have your own version of BBF in your mind or I am not understanding the concept that is in the media. BBF is supposed to have separate governments, one for each region plus one for the whole country. How can anyone force you to live under GC majority if you vote for every single official in your region, who must be TC, and you also get equal say in the central government? Where is the majority GC etc in that deal?

But the point is to be your own boss in your own region, and the way things are going that is NOT going to happen because TCs are no longer a majority in their region. That is the point I was making.


What you have to understand is that we view those born raised, married and spent a large portion of their lives in the TRNC as Turkish Cypriots, so we do not have a problem with new generation Turks as we see them who have joined us as one of us.
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Postby Viewpoint » Sun Aug 09, 2009 8:13 pm

miltiades wrote:I think VP ought to move to Turkey then he will be amongst his people !!


Why would I do that I am a Turkish Cypriot from the TRNC.
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Postby growuptcs » Sun Aug 09, 2009 8:47 pm

Viewpoint wrote:
miltiades wrote:I think VP ought to move to Turkey then he will be amongst his people !!


Why would I do that I am a Turkish Cypriot from the TRNC.


Your a Turkish stool pigeon in Cyprus.
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Postby Viewpoint » Sun Aug 09, 2009 8:49 pm

growuptcs wrote:
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miltiades wrote:I think VP ought to move to Turkey then he will be amongst his people !!


Why would I do that I am a Turkish Cypriot from the TRNC.


Your a Turkish stool pigeon in Cyprus.


Please clarify?
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Postby growuptcs » Sun Aug 09, 2009 8:50 pm

Viewpoint wrote:
growuptcs wrote:
Viewpoint wrote:
miltiades wrote:I think VP ought to move to Turkey then he will be amongst his people !!


Why would I do that I am a Turkish Cypriot from the TRNC.


Your a Turkish stool pigeon in Cyprus.


Please clarify?


No need. It's self-explanatory.
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Postby Viewpoint » Sun Aug 09, 2009 8:52 pm

growuptcs wrote:
Viewpoint wrote:
growuptcs wrote:
Viewpoint wrote:
miltiades wrote:I think VP ought to move to Turkey then he will be amongst his people !!


Why would I do that I am a Turkish Cypriot from the TRNC.


Your a Turkish stool pigeon in Cyprus.


Please clarify?


No need. It's self-explanatory.


So you cant clarify what you post.
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