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[Piratis]

So, between 1955 and 1960 the GCs did absolutely nothing. Just took it.

The GCs were already fighting against the British. The TC minority on the island was not a problem for us. They became a problem when they started to collaborate with the colonialists, but even then EOKA didn't want to start a second front and avoided a conflict with the TC community. But when the TCs started the riots destroying the properties of innocent GCs, and massacring GCs, then EOKA retaliated.

The whole conflict was designed by the UK and Turkey and it was part of their divide and rule plan and the eventual partition of Cyprus, something which was also planed from the 50s.

This article talks about that era, end especially the role of the British
http://www.lrb.co.uk/v30/n08/ande01_.html

[shahmaran]

As far as the rest of your baseless accusations, I will not bother to type anything again since I already did:

Now that's a surprise I would love to believe in!

I said you either don't or even if you do you make sure it is swept under the carpet with lame historical justifications, now don't tell me that is not true because all I have to do is fetch any of your posts, since that is ALL you say.

No mate, I simply remind you the rest of the truth you choose to forget, and I never denied that TCs suffered or had casualties as you falsely claimed. Since you want to appropriate blame for past actions then we have to appropriate blame correctly, looking at the whole story, and not just a small part of it.

So when you talk about your suffering and casualties (which I never denied) in an effort to put the blame on our side in order to excuse the illegalities and crimes you commit as we speak, then why shouldn't I remind you of the rest of the story that you choose to forget, and which shows that while GCs have some blame, most of the blame in fact lies with Turkey and TCs?

Apparently what I say ruins your effort of trying to excuse the crimes and illegalities you commit today, and having no way to refute the truths that I say, you get mad and you express your anger by personally attacking me with baseless accusations and lies.

You are the bastard who claimed my grandfather had died from "natural causes" and that he should "rot in hell", who then continues to call me the liar and the racist.

You absolute wanker, you are still here talking?

You first said to me to "rot in hell" mate. Now, just like with the history of Cyprus, you seem to be mixing the order of things. And for your grandfather I said he should rot in hell only if he was a partition supported. And he did die from natural causes, but of course you want to blame GCs for everything. You even blamed us for the emigration of TCs in the early 50s, during British rule and before any conflict

What the fuck can you possibly give me other than a crappy video and a document with false information, which I have showed in your face on so many occasions?

You can talk all day Piratis, won't change a thing...

The video is a British one (your friends) and the document is a report made by EU. I choose always sources that are either Independent or hostile to us, so nobody can claim that what they say is GC propaganda.

And what did you "show on my face"? Give me a link where you managed to refute with evidence anything said in the video and the report.

But if you want to give you even more sources that confirm those things then I will. The video shows how the TCs started the inter-communal conflict. Here is from a British anti-GC site:

Not trusting Foot, Grivas' EOKA resumed its campaign in late March. Fifty bombs exploded in the first ten days of April. Foot sent a letter to Grivas on 16th April, in which he appealed for a ceasefire and although Grivas acquiesced he did not reply fearing a British attempt to track the latter back. The Turkish community was whipped into a frenzy by broadcasts from Turkey calling for the partition of Cyprus. Violence between the turks and Cypriots broke out in early June and climaxed when eight Greeks were massacred in a cornfield near the Turkish village of Geunyeli. Again, the British were forced into partitioning the two communities. At this stage, the British Army in Cyprus reached it highest number as more units arrived from mid-June. There were now twenty-six fighting units in Cyprus. In desperation, Fott ordered an island wide swoop and they arrested fifty turks and 1,500 Greeks. In under two months ninety-five civilians had been killed in the inter communal violence and many more injured.

http://www.britains-smallwars.com/cyprus/war.html

The rioting shown in the video was on the 7th of June 1958. The massacre of the 8 GCs on the 12th of June 1958. 100 of people died in the conflicts that followed. But of course you don't know about this, right? You have been taught that it is the "evil GCs" that started the conflict, and they "forgot" to mention to you the begging of the conflict. (which is the most important thing when you want to know how something started).

Dickhead!

He died from lack of treatment, and medication because he was stuffed in his village for a decade!

Does that even mean anything to you, you thick fucking shit?!,

The story of your grandfather is not something you experienced personally but a story formed by the one-sided hate propaganda you received from your family as a child, the same one which taught you that GCs are to be blamed for everything, when we know for a fact that this is not true.

You have been personally attacking me for many posts, with me replying in a similar manner in some of mine, and in this not so civilized discussion we had you decided to bring in your grandfather. For me your grandfather is just another person, but if for you is anything more than that then you should feel ashamed for bringing him in a discussion like that.

You can't prove anything by bringing one-sided "grandfather stories", everybody can do that, so I will not say anything more about him since maybe he wasn't the kind of asshole that you are and maybe he doesn't deserve to be used in such kind of discussions.

Of course it wont, just like the fact that TC population was rightfully agitated by your dreams for Enosis and your sly attempt to neutralize any opposition with your notorious Akritas Plan, means nothing to you because you are so dam blinded by your fascist ideologies.

What moron you are Piratis, do we really have to go over everything again and again?!

And NO Enosis was not your god dam right, if it was achieved the best scenario for us would have been having half the rights the Thracian Turks have today, in their own country. That's IF our lives were spared in the first place.

So come back when you have any real evidence.

Enosis was our right. Here is another "useless" for you document, a UN Resolution about the granting of independence to Colonial territories which clearly defines "integration into an independent State" as one of the "three legitimate options of full self-government".
http://www.un.org/Depts/dpi/decolonizat ... ration.htm

How could it be OK for Cyprus to be part of foreign empires against the will of the Cypriot people and with Cypriots mere subjects of those empires, and not be OK for Cyprus to be part of a free Republic which Cypriots democratically choose to belong, and where Cypriots would be equal citizens???

The UN Resolution is a clear evidence of our right. Now show me your evidence to support your baseless and imaginary scenarios that TCs in a Greek Republic would have "half the rights the Thracian Turks" or that your lives were in any risk if Cyprus united with Greece. Rhodes, which also has a Turkish minority, united with Greece in 1947. The population of the Turkish minority increased by 20% since then.

The conflict started when you collaborated with the Colonialists, attacked the Greek Cypriots, and demanded the annihilation of Cypriots from half of their island. If instead of that you accepted that Cypriots had the right to peacefully and democratically decide the destiny of their own island there would be no conflict to begin with, and no "Akritas Plan" or anything that followed.

Also here, from your beloved website who you constantly claim were "our friends", obviously you never were able to see us apart from Turkey, you still don't! Which is no surprise with you being racist and all

Rioting followed in Nicosia on 27th January 1958, and the incident precipitated a pitched battle between British soldiers and thousands of Turkish youths. Seven Turks were killed and twelve soldiers injured.

Also I can't help but notice how your beloved and "incredibly credible" site seems to separate the 2 ethnic communities as "turks" and "Cypriots", also having incredible amount of spelling and grammar errors all through out.

I mean it is a professionally constructed site with evidence and proper references isn't it? After all you never post anything but the utmost "credible and neutral" evidence, yes?

Because it is funny, the only reference I have managed to find so far, regarding the Cyprus issue on the site, has been from Greek academics and accounts of EOKA terrorists...

The site is an anti-GC site . How could such site be "beloved" to me? I simply used it as yet another hostile to us source which shows the same thing as the video does.

But since you want more evidence, here it is from the Prime Minister of the UK at that time Harold Macmillan:

Before passing to the future, I ought perhaps to say a word about the Geunyeli incident, concerning which the Governor of Cyprus published a Report on Tuesday, 9th December, of which copies have been placed in the Library of the House. This Report is of a Commission of Inquiry conducted by the Chief Justice into an incident on 12th June, when eight Greek Cypriots met their deaths at the hands of Turkish Cypriots after they had been detained by the security forces and then released some distance from their village.

A special inquiry was held in this case because the incident occurred at a time of acute intercommunal tension and it was imperative to investigate the allegation that the security forces had intentionally contributed to the death of the unfortunate victims. The Chief Justice's Report, although he had certain criticisms to make, wholly repudiates this baseless suggestion.

http://hansard.millbanksystems.com/comm ... /10/cyprus

There is no use to try to deny the truth mate. The inter communal conflict started when the TCs attacked the GCs on the 7th of June of 1958 and climaxed after the Geunyeli massacre on the 12th of June.

Keep disputing the facts and all you will manage is to make a fool of your yourself.

Fuck off idiot!

According to you everyone lies if they are not in agreement with your pathetic excuses, what a moron you are!

The site is not anti anything, it is just a site about Britain's Small Wars and has fuck all to do with Greeks, it talks about ALL wars of Britain.

More importantly it is not a very professional site and even if you want to claim it is, then it is also clear that all their references tie back to some EOKA terrorist such as yourself or Greek academics, where else where they going to get all the info?

Can yo see the accounts of 1 TC there? No!
Can you see the accounts of EOKA terrorists? Yes!

Does that make it neutral? Fuck off you're an idiot!

Piratis you are truly losing ground here, you have not addressed anything I said.

[shahmaran]

So, between 1955 and 1960 the GCs did absolutely nothing. Just took it.

The GCs were already fighting against the British. The TC minority on the island was not a problem for us. They became a problem when they started to collaborate with the colonialists, but even then EOKA didn't want to start a second front and avoided a conflict with the TC community. But when the TCs started the riots destroying the properties of innocent GCs, and massacring GCs, then EOKA retaliated.

The whole conflict was designed by the UK and Turkey and it was part of their divide and rule plan and the eventual partition of Cyprus, something which was also planed from the 50s.

This article talks about that era, end especially the role of the British
http://www.lrb.co.uk/v30/n08/ande01_.html

Bullshit!

What are you on about, the document you put forward states that the TC's were fighting against the British at some point and a few of them died doing so.

So please explain to me how that is considered as "helping the British" ?

So, the TC's revolt against the British along with you and in return they should shut up and be a part of your Enosis dream?!

Sounds like the kind of logic Pissartist here would support, twisted and rotten!

The whole TC revolt was against Enosis which you started, and they had every right to do so!

[Dr J]

Britains Small Wars website is pro-British colonialist. Therfore, anyone who stands up to British colonialism is going to be called a 'terrorist' by them, just like the Turks like to call anyone who stands up to THEIR oppressive regime a terrorist.

The Turkish contradictive fascist ideals like Shahmaran's never ceases to amaze me, then these ignorant pricks love to go around and accuse others of racism and genocide, which is what Turkey is fantastic at.

[AWE]

This debate/slanging match reinforces my belief that Cyprus will need a Truth and Reconciliation Commission and a joint study of the history in order to stop possible recriminations and divisiveness should there ever be a solution.

[EPSILON]

Britains Small Wars website is pro-British colonialist. Therfore, anyone who stands up to British colonialism is going to be called a 'terrorist' by them, just like the Turks like to call anyone who stands up to THEIR oppressive regime a terrorist.

The Turkish contradictive fascist ideals like Shahmaran's never ceases to amaze me, then these ignorant pricks love to go around and accuse others of racism and genocide, which is what Turkey is fantastic at.

The problem is that their methods have slowly slowly results.
Do not forget that several international bodies have resently considered G/cs and Turkish army to have equal liabilities on the invasion /occupation status.
instead to blaim Turks and their methods we should start to check our own methods and their results!!

[DT.]

I sure hope that at least one of those 'angels' in the photo was a relative of Piratis' ... that's enough justification to have executed any or all of them. Regardless, there is no proof that they were executed by the Turkish Army. They could have been killed by GC's for all we know.

Hey Gabira, I know what happened to your uncle.

Let's get together for coffee and you can tell me all about it

Be very happy to. I'll bring the pictures. PM me where you'd like to meet.

[YFred]

I sure hope that at least one of those 'angels' in the photo was a relative of Piratis' ... that's enough justification to have executed any or all of them. Regardless, there is no proof that they were executed by the Turkish Army. They could have been killed by GC's for all we know.

Hey Gabira, I know what happened to your uncle.

Let's get together for coffee and you can tell me all about it

Be very happy to. I'll bring the pictures. PM me where you'd like to meet.

Do you know what the Lurucadis did to the priest, last time they met?

[shahmaran]

Britains Small Wars website is pro-British colonialist. Therfore, anyone who stands up to British colonialism is going to be called a 'terrorist' by them, just like the Turks like to call anyone who stands up to THEIR oppressive regime a terrorist.

The Turkish contradictive fascist ideals like Shahmaran's never ceases to amaze me, then these ignorant pricks love to go around and accuse others of racism and genocide, which is what Turkey is fantastic at.

The problem is that their methods have slowly slowly results.
Do not forget that several international bodies have resently considered G/cs and Turkish army to have equal liabilities on the invasion /occupation status.
instead to blaim Turks and their methods we should start to check our own methods and their results!!

Don't bother with this imbecile Epsilon, he would not be able to tell the difference between right and wrong in order to save his own life.

Anyway, the notion that Piratis claims the website being "against the GC's thus making it even more credible" is clearly a very faulty way of looking at it.

Even if it was "against the GC's" it would still mean that it is a bias site and that should not be taken too seriously, but if we must then we must do so entirely and by checking all it's references, where do the people who make the site gather their information from?

After all, I am not specifically after sites that blame the "GC's", because we do know that they played an equal or more part in the conflict.

So the credibility of any source that is bias to either side (or even to another side) should be questioned and the content scrutinised severely.

[DT.]

I sure hope that at least one of those 'angels' in the photo was a relative of Piratis' ... that's enough justification to have executed any or all of them. Regardless, there is no proof that they were executed by the Turkish Army. They could have been killed by GC's for all we know.

Hey Gabira, I know what happened to your uncle.

Let's get together for coffee and you can tell me all about it

Be very happy to. I'll bring the pictures. PM me where you'd like to meet.

Do you know what the Lurucadis did to the priest, last time they met?

Let him borrow their high heels?