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[YFred]

When will the world realize the only when Turkey and it's barbarians are eliminated and returned to their nation of Turkinmenstan then Europe will enjoy eternal peace. Did the Turks know that Turkish Cypriots are blood related to the Turkish people? I learn that from a Turkish Cypriot in Cyprus this summer. He says the Turks of Cyprus are really Greeks who did not want to be harassed during the Ottoman Empire. They converted to Islam. That is why a true Turkish Cypriot cannot speak Turkish. They want the Turks to leave Cyprus with their settlers. But, are afraid of harassement. There is no freedom even for the Turkish Cypriots by the illegal occupation of the Barbaric Turkish government. If they complain they are killed. Many Turkish Cypriots are leaving the North to go to the south to live with the Greeks who enjoy freedom. Democracy was invented by the Greeks. Tyranny and ethnic cleaniesing was invented by the Barbarians of Turkinmenstan the homeland of the Turks. That is why Europeans do not want them in the EU. They are not Europeans. They are Asians. Go back to their homeland and fight for their rights and leave us alone.

Thanks Oracle. We needed a good laugh. This will last for the rest of the week.
Please tell you friend to learn you some more.

[Piratis]

As far as the rest of your baseless accusations, I will not bother to type anything again since I already did:

Now that's a surprise I would love to believe in!

I said you either don't or even if you do you make sure it is swept under the carpet with lame historical justifications, now don't tell me that is not true because all I have to do is fetch any of your posts, since that is ALL you say.

No mate, I simply remind you the rest of the truth you choose to forget, and I never denied that TCs suffered or had casualties as you falsely claimed. Since you want to appropriate blame for past actions then we have to appropriate blame correctly, looking at the whole story, and not just a small part of it.

So when you talk about your suffering and casualties (which I never denied) in an effort to put the blame on our side in order to excuse the illegalities and crimes you commit as we speak, then why shouldn't I remind you of the rest of the story that you choose to forget, and which shows that while GCs have some blame, most of the blame in fact lies with Turkey and TCs?

Apparently what I say ruins your effort of trying to excuse the crimes and illegalities you commit today, and having no way to refute the truths that I say, you get mad and you express your anger by personally attacking me with baseless accusations and lies.

You are the bastard who claimed my grandfather had died from "natural causes" and that he should "rot in hell", who then continues to call me the liar and the racist.

You absolute wanker, you are still here talking?

You first said to me to "rot in hell" mate. Now, just like with the history of Cyprus, you seem to be mixing the order of things. And for your grandfather I said he should rot in hell only if he was a partition supported. And he did die from natural causes, but of course you want to blame GCs for everything. You even blamed us for the emigration of TCs in the early 50s, during British rule and before any conflict

What the fuck can you possibly give me other than a crappy video and a document with false information, which I have showed in your face on so many occasions?

You can talk all day Piratis, won't change a thing...

The video is a British one (your friends) and the document is a report made by EU. I choose always sources that are either Independent or hostile to us, so nobody can claim that what they say is GC propaganda.

And what did you "show on my face"? Give me a link where you managed to refute with evidence anything said in the video and the report.

But if you want to give you even more sources that confirm those things then I will. The video shows how the TCs started the inter-communal conflict. Here is from a British anti-GC site:

Not trusting Foot, Grivas' EOKA resumed its campaign in late March. Fifty bombs exploded in the first ten days of April. Foot sent a letter to Grivas on 16th April, in which he appealed for a ceasefire and although Grivas acquiesced he did not reply fearing a British attempt to track the latter back. The Turkish community was whipped into a frenzy by broadcasts from Turkey calling for the partition of Cyprus. Violence between the turks and Cypriots broke out in early June and climaxed when eight Greeks were massacred in a cornfield near the Turkish village of Geunyeli. Again, the British were forced into partitioning the two communities. At this stage, the British Army in Cyprus reached it highest number as more units arrived from mid-June. There were now twenty-six fighting units in Cyprus. In desperation, Fott ordered an island wide swoop and they arrested fifty turks and 1,500 Greeks. In under two months ninety-five civilians had been killed in the inter communal violence and many more injured.

http://www.britains-smallwars.com/cyprus/war.html

The rioting shown in the video was on the 7th of June 1958. The massacre of the 8 GCs on the 12th of June 1958. 100 of people died in the conflicts that followed. But of course you don't know about this, right? You have been taught that it is the "evil GCs" that started the conflict, and they "forgot" to mention to you the begging of the conflict. (which is the most important thing when you want to know how something started).

Dickhead!

He died from lack of treatment, and medication because he was stuffed in his village for a decade!

Does that even mean anything to you, you thick fucking shit?!,

The story of your grandfather is not something you experienced personally but a story formed by the one-sided hate propaganda you received from your family as a child, the same one which taught you that GCs are to be blamed for everything, when we know for a fact that this is not true.

You have been personally attacking me for many posts, with me replying in a similar manner in some of mine, and in this not so civilized discussion we had you decided to bring in your grandfather. For me your grandfather is just another person, but if for you is anything more than that then you should feel ashamed for bringing him in a discussion like that.

You can't prove anything by bringing one-sided "grandfather stories", everybody can do that, so I will not say anything more about him since maybe he wasn't the kind of asshole that you are and maybe he doesn't deserve to be used in such kind of discussions.

Of course it wont, just like the fact that TC population was rightfully agitated by your dreams for Enosis and your sly attempt to neutralize any opposition with your notorious Akritas Plan, means nothing to you because you are so dam blinded by your fascist ideologies.

What moron you are Piratis, do we really have to go over everything again and again?!

And NO Enosis was not your god dam right, if it was achieved the best scenario for us would have been having half the rights the Thracian Turks have today, in their own country. That's IF our lives were spared in the first place.

So come back when you have any real evidence.

Enosis was our right. Here is another "useless" for you document, a UN Resolution about the granting of independence to Colonial territories which clearly defines "integration into an independent State" as one of the "three legitimate options of full self-government".
http://www.un.org/Depts/dpi/decolonizat ... ration.htm

How could it be OK for Cyprus to be part of foreign empires against the will of the Cypriot people and with Cypriots mere subjects of those empires, and not be OK for Cyprus to be part of a free Republic which Cypriots democratically choose to belong, and where Cypriots would be equal citizens???

The UN Resolution is a clear evidence of our right. Now show me your evidence to support your baseless and imaginary scenarios that TCs in a Greek Republic would have "half the rights the Thracian Turks" or that your lives were in any risk if Cyprus united with Greece. Rhodes, which also has a Turkish minority, united with Greece in 1947. The population of the Turkish minority increased by 20% since then.

The conflict started when you collaborated with the Colonialists, attacked the Greek Cypriots, and demanded the annihilation of Cypriots from half of their island. If instead of that you accepted that Cypriots had the right to peacefully and democratically decide the destiny of their own island there would be no conflict to begin with, and no "Akritas Plan" or anything that followed.

Also here, from your beloved website who you constantly claim were "our friends", obviously you never were able to see us apart from Turkey, you still don't! Which is no surprise with you being racist and all

Rioting followed in Nicosia on 27th January 1958, and the incident precipitated a pitched battle between British soldiers and thousands of Turkish youths. Seven Turks were killed and twelve soldiers injured.

Also I can't help but notice how your beloved and "incredibly credible" site seems to separate the 2 ethnic communities as "turks" and "Cypriots", also having incredible amount of spelling and grammar errors all through out.

I mean it is a professionally constructed site with evidence and proper references isn't it? After all you never post anything but the utmost "credible and neutral" evidence, yes?

Because it is funny, the only reference I have managed to find so far, regarding the Cyprus issue on the site, has been from Greek academics and accounts of EOKA terrorists...

The site is an anti-GC site . How could such site be "beloved" to me? I simply used it as yet another hostile to us source which shows the same thing as the video does.

But since you want more evidence, here it is from the Prime Minister of the UK at that time Harold Macmillan:

Before passing to the future, I ought perhaps to say a word about the Geunyeli incident, concerning which the Governor of Cyprus published a Report on Tuesday, 9th December, of which copies have been placed in the Library of the House. This Report is of a Commission of Inquiry conducted by the Chief Justice into an incident on 12th June, when eight Greek Cypriots met their deaths at the hands of Turkish Cypriots after they had been detained by the security forces and then released some distance from their village.

A special inquiry was held in this case because the incident occurred at a time of acute intercommunal tension and it was imperative to investigate the allegation that the security forces had intentionally contributed to the death of the unfortunate victims. The Chief Justice's Report, although he had certain criticisms to make, wholly repudiates this baseless suggestion.

http://hansard.millbanksystems.com/comm ... /10/cyprus

There is no use to try to deny the truth mate. The inter communal conflict started when the TCs attacked the GCs on the 7th of June of 1958 and climaxed after the Geunyeli massacre on the 12th of June.

Keep disputing the facts and all you will manage is to make a fool of your yourself.

[Nikitas]

"And who was taking the photo, the prisoners? "

The Turkish journalist was captured, the photos were not confiscated, since he did use them in reports he filed with Turkish daily Milliiet or Hurriet, I do not remember which of the two. The name was published but I did not retain it, I will look it up and post it. The photos are technically this journalist's intellectual property .

The fuss in the foru regarding the photos is surprising. These photos were published countless times in the international press and there is no doubt whatsoever about the identities of the people picured, nor of their status as missing. Now there is irrefutable proof that they were executed. So what is the problem with the photos all of a sudden?

Gabira in a characteristic assinine comment says that they might have been killed by GCs. Would that have happened after their capture by "Nato's best" ? How would that work I wonder!

[Get Real!]

There is no use to try to deny the truth mate. The inter communal conflict started when the TCs attacked the GCs on the 7th of June of 1958 and climaxed after the Geunyeli massacre on the 12th of June.

Even earlier...

1955: Turkish Cypriots collaborate with the colonialist British to form the “Special Mobile Reserve” and Auxiliary Police to counter the EOKA uprising against the British.

20th March 1956: Turkish Cypriot Auxiliary Police stood by as TC civilian mobs assaulted GC civilians and ransacked their properties. Abuse of Greek Cypriot detainees by the Turkish Cypriot Auxiliary Police was very common.

June 1957: Twelve days before the Macmillan plan was announced, Turkish Cypriots started fires in Nicosia and begun two months of bitter Greek-Turkish strife in which 56 Greeks and 53 Turks were killed.

7th June 1958: Turkish Cypriots plant and detonate a bomb outside the Turkish press office in Nicosia and implicate Greek Cypriots. There was an immediate invasion by Turkish rioters of the Greek sector, and Greek Cypriot residents were expelled from a mixed district. (see link below)

12th June 1958: Eight unarmed Greek Cypriot civilians from Kondemenos village were murdered by Turkish Cypriots near the Turkish populated village of Geunyeli. First mass murder committed by Turkish Cypriots.

July 1958: In the mixed suburb of Omorphita in Nicosia, TMT evicted 700 Greeks from their homes.


A bomb exploded mysteriously at the Turkish information office in Nicosia. No one was hurt. Turkish Cypriots accused Greek Cypriots of setting off the bomb, but British officials accused the Turks themselves of planting the bomb as a pretext for starting trouble. Turkish Cypriots surged from their quarter of Nicosia, armed with guns, sticks, stones and knives. Screaming "Partition or death!", they wrecked and burned Greek Cypriot shops, beat every Greek Cypriot they could lay hands upon, killed two. When British security forces arrived, the Greek Cypriots, forgetting three years of terror against the British, taunted the Tommies: "Where have you been?"

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/artic ... -2,00.html

[Nikitas]

I lived through the events of the 50s in Nicosia and can attest to the accuracy of the reports posted by GR.

We lived in old Nicosia, on the same street as the famous Antonakis bar, a favored bar for foreign journalists and British military.

I remember those evenings of being under curfew while mobs would come from the direction of Lokmaci to attack our houses. We had security in the form of two TC auxiliaries armed with shotguns. Those were unforgettable times.

Funny how the slogan Taksim or death has become Taksim AND extinction of the TC community in Cyprus. And we must not forget the Enosis of the north with Turkey.

I have often wondered how much of the 1963 Omorfita events was payback for the incidents of the 50s. It is traditional to put that particular clash down to the overall political dispute, but I suspect that the Omorfita events had a much more complex background to them.

[YFred]

There is no use to try to deny the truth mate. The inter communal conflict started when the TCs attacked the GCs on the 7th of June of 1958 and climaxed after the Geunyeli massacre on the 12th of June.

Even earlier...

1955: Turkish Cypriots collaborate with the colonialist British to form the “Special Mobile Reserve” and Auxiliary Police to counter the EOKA uprising against the British.

20th March 1956: Turkish Cypriot Auxiliary Police stood by as TC civilian mobs assaulted GC civilians and ransacked their properties. Abuse of Greek Cypriot detainees by the Turkish Cypriot Auxiliary Police was very common.

June 1957: Twelve days before the Macmillan plan was announced, Turkish Cypriots started fires in Nicosia and begun two months of bitter Greek-Turkish strife in which 56 Greeks and 53 Turks were killed.

7th June 1958: Turkish Cypriots plant and detonate a bomb outside the Turkish press office in Nicosia and implicate Greek Cypriots. There was an immediate invasion by Turkish rioters of the Greek sector, and Greek Cypriot residents were expelled from a mixed district. (see link below)

12th June 1958: Eight unarmed Greek Cypriot civilians from Kondemenos village were murdered by Turkish Cypriots near the Turkish populated village of Geunyeli. First mass murder committed by Turkish Cypriots.

July 1958: In the mixed suburb of Omorphita in Nicosia, TMT evicted 700 Greeks from their homes.


A bomb exploded mysteriously at the Turkish information office in Nicosia. No one was hurt. Turkish Cypriots accused Greek Cypriots of setting off the bomb, but British officials accused the Turks themselves of planting the bomb as a pretext for starting trouble. Turkish Cypriots surged from their quarter of Nicosia, armed with guns, sticks, stones and knives. Screaming "Partition or death!", they wrecked and burned Greek Cypriot shops, beat every Greek Cypriot they could lay hands upon, killed two. When British security forces arrived, the Greek Cypriots, forgetting three years of terror against the British, taunted the Tommies: "Where have you been?"

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/artic ... -2,00.html

Butter wouldn't melt in your mouth old boy.

So, between 1955 and 1960 the GCs did absolutely nothing. Just took it.
BTW the 8 GCs killed in Gonyeli were not Eoka suspects released by the Brits in the middle of the TC village by any chance were they?
You do no service for peace effort by referring to the TCs who got jobs working for the British as collaborators.

Your wish is for two states then old boy. You may as well come out and say it openly. How can you possibly live with the collaborators especially the ones who were born after 1960. You are an utter arse.

[EPSILON]

When will the world realize the only when Turkey and it's barbarians are eliminated and returned to their nation of Turkinmenstan then Europe will enjoy eternal peace. Did the Turks know that Turkish Cypriots are blood related to the Turkish people? I learn that from a Turkish Cypriot in Cyprus this summer. He says the Turks of Cyprus are really Greeks who did not want to be harassed during the Ottoman Empire. They converted to Islam. That is why a true Turkish Cypriot cannot speak Turkish. They want the Turks to leave Cyprus with their settlers. But, are afraid of harassement. There is no freedom even for the Turkish Cypriots by the illegal occupation of the Barbaric Turkish government. If they complain they are killed. Many Turkish Cypriots are leaving the North to go to the south to live with the Greeks who enjoy freedom. Democracy was invented by the Greeks. Tyranny and ethnic cleaniesing was invented by the Barbarians of Turkinmenstan the homeland of the Turks. That is why Europeans do not want them in the EU. They are not Europeans. They are Asians. Go back to their homeland and fight for their rights and leave us alone.

Thanks Oracle. We needed a good laugh. This will last for the rest of the week.
Please tell you friend to learn you some more.

If you refer to the statement that several T/cs are of Greek origin then you have to study more about Cyprus history.

[YFred]

When will the world realize the only when Turkey and it's barbarians are eliminated and returned to their nation of Turkinmenstan then Europe will enjoy eternal peace. Did the Turks know that Turkish Cypriots are blood related to the Turkish people? I learn that from a Turkish Cypriot in Cyprus this summer. He says the Turks of Cyprus are really Greeks who did not want to be harassed during the Ottoman Empire. They converted to Islam. That is why a true Turkish Cypriot cannot speak Turkish. They want the Turks to leave Cyprus with their settlers. But, are afraid of harassement. There is no freedom even for the Turkish Cypriots by the illegal occupation of the Barbaric Turkish government. If they complain they are killed. Many Turkish Cypriots are leaving the North to go to the south to live with the Greeks who enjoy freedom. Democracy was invented by the Greeks. Tyranny and ethnic cleaniesing was invented by the Barbarians of Turkinmenstan the homeland of the Turks. That is why Europeans do not want them in the EU. They are not Europeans. They are Asians. Go back to their homeland and fight for their rights and leave us alone.

Thanks Oracle. We needed a good laugh. This will last for the rest of the week.
Please tell you friend to learn you some more.

If you refer to the statement that several T/cs are of Greek origin then you have to study more about Cyprus history.

Epsilon, of all people I should know. I am from a Linobambaki village. But claim was not several TCs, it sounds as though all TCs were Greek. That is the reason I had a laugh.
Besides she is telling me I can't speak Turkish. Now there is stupidity and stupidity. This one takes the biscuit/biscuvi/biskotto. Gadalaves?

[EPSILON]

When will the world realize the only when Turkey and it's barbarians are eliminated and returned to their nation of Turkinmenstan then Europe will enjoy eternal peace. Did the Turks know that Turkish Cypriots are blood related to the Turkish people? I learn that from a Turkish Cypriot in Cyprus this summer. He says the Turks of Cyprus are really Greeks who did not want to be harassed during the Ottoman Empire. They converted to Islam. That is why a true Turkish Cypriot cannot speak Turkish. They want the Turks to leave Cyprus with their settlers. But, are afraid of harassement. There is no freedom even for the Turkish Cypriots by the illegal occupation of the Barbaric Turkish government. If they complain they are killed. Many Turkish Cypriots are leaving the North to go to the south to live with the Greeks who enjoy freedom. Democracy was invented by the Greeks. Tyranny and ethnic cleaniesing was invented by the Barbarians of Turkinmenstan the homeland of the Turks. That is why Europeans do not want them in the EU. They are not Europeans. They are Asians. Go back to their homeland and fight for their rights and leave us alone.

Thanks Oracle. We needed a good laugh. This will last for the rest of the week.
Please tell you friend to learn you some more.

If you refer to the statement that several T/cs are of Greek origin then you have to study more about Cyprus history.

Epsilon, of all people I should know. I am from a Linobambaki village. But claim was not several TCs, it sounds as though all TCs were Greek. That is the reason I had a laugh.
Besides she is telling me I can't speak Turkish. Now there is stupidity and stupidity. This one takes the biscuit/biscuvi/biskotto. Gadalaves?

Fair enough

[Get Real!]

So, between 1955 and 1960 the GCs did absolutely nothing. Just took it.

I'm waiting for your list and supporting evidence.

BTW the 8 GCs killed in Gonyeli were not Eoka suspects released by the Brits in the middle of the TC village by any chance were they?

Unfortunately for you... no!

”Findings of the Commission of Inquiry into the incidents at Geunyeli Cyprus on 12th June 1958”

http://www.stwing.upenn.edu/~durduran/h ... onyeli.pdf

You didn't even bother to read the Times article I posted.

You do no service for peace effort by referring to the TCs who got jobs working for the British as collaborators.

If the job involves arresting, beating, imprisoning, and testifying against Greek Cypriots in courts, then I believe I used the right word… COLLABORATORS!

As for me doing "no service" for peace efforts... your people are an absolute joke having marches and air shows to celebrate the killings of thousands of Greek Cypriots!

Your wish is for two states then old boy. You may as well come out and say it openly. How can you possibly live with the collaborators especially the ones who were born after 1960. You are an utter arse.

I posted facts Y-Fronts... ones you obviously can't handle.