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[Simon]

Firstly, I never said I read "everything", this is your own silly assumption. I read the forum when I get the chance.

Probably unlike yourself, I have a life, so I don't get the chance to be a prolific poster. I drop in now and again, read what I can, and make comments when I can. There have been periods where I have been away from the forum for a long time. Not that I have to justify anything to you. I take it that you are now judging a person's argument by how much they post? Your arguments grow ever more ridiculous in your desperate squirming. Many of the issues on the forum simply get repeated over and over again. I do not have the time to keep repeating myself.

You call his arguments dubious, and yet you can't challenge them. All you do is keep banging on about this same video, which has not been shown in this thread. And you accuse Piratis of repeating himself. Like that last post to him, you did not address his actual argument, but just personally attacked him and started going on about your grandad. Now THAT is the sign of a moron with nothing to contribute. I could post another 500 posts calling you and VP wankers, would that mean I have someting to contribute, like yourself? Like I said, your comments are ridiculous to say the least.

Anyway I'm off. Don't know when I'll be back to read more of your nonsense. Like I said, I have a life.

If you are not around much then don't comment on disputes that have bee on going for ages as you clearly have no idea.

Piratis has 1 argument, 1 video and 1 document, each one has been repeatedly bashed open over and over yet he seems to love to come back for more, obviously you were not around or might have "missed" it during on of your casual glances through the forum. Not that your opinion matters the slightest bit, you should at least know what the hell you are talking about, so go on then, fuck off and live your "life"

I wasn't commenting on a dispute that has been "going on for ages", I was commenting on this thread and Piratis' posts in general. Moreover, I can comment on anything that I like and certainly don't need your permission to do so. I don't need to read the history of your disputes to know when you are being destroyed in a particular thread.

I see now that you're argument has developed, from the ridiculous to the absurd. Firstly, you decided to judge my comments based on how much I post, now you are judging them based on how much I read the forum? Keep squirming.

Please don't for one second think that I give the slightest piece of shit what you think or your opinions. I know what you are, a partitionist, nationalist Turk who wanks over Ataturk every night. I know that nobody will ever change your 18th century mindset, and I'm certainly not going to try.

Why don't you do it now? Put Piratis in his place. I'm not holding my breath...I'll wait for some excuse. If Piratis has 1 argument, what do you think you have? The answer is 1 excuse, 1 excuse for your crimes. That excuse is inter-communal violence, which itself was just as much the fault of the TCs as anybody else.

[EPSILON]

I sure hope that at least one of those 'angels' in the photo was a relative of Piratis' ... that's enough justification to have executed any or all of them. Regardless, there is no proof that they were executed by the Turkish Army. They could have been killed by GC's for all we know.

You are very funny.The most funny however will be when you will see them again alive front of you.

[shahmaran]

As far as the rest of your baseless accusations, I will not bother to type anything again since I already did:

Now that's a surprise I would love to believe in!

I said you either don't or even if you do you make sure it is swept under the carpet with lame historical justifications, now don't tell me that is not true because all I have to do is fetch any of your posts, since that is ALL you say.

No mate, I simply remind you the rest of the truth you choose to forget, and I never denied that TCs suffered or had casualties as you falsely claimed. Since you want to appropriate blame for past actions then we have to appropriate blame correctly, looking at the whole story, and not just a small part of it.

So when you talk about your suffering and casualties (which I never denied) in an effort to put the blame on our side in order to excuse the illegalities and crimes you commit as we speak, then why shouldn't I remind you of the rest of the story that you choose to forget, and which shows that while GCs have some blame, most of the blame in fact lies with Turkey and TCs?

Apparently what I say ruins your effort of trying to excuse the crimes and illegalities you commit today, and having no way to refute the truths that I say, you get mad and you express your anger by personally attacking me with baseless accusations and lies.

You are the bastard who claimed my grandfather had died from "natural causes" and that he should "rot in hell", who then continues to call me the liar and the racist.

You absolute wanker, you are still here talking?

You first said to me to "rot in hell" mate. Now, just like with the history of Cyprus, you seem to be mixing the order of things. And for your grandfather I said he should rot in hell only if he was a partition supported. And he did die from natural causes, but of course you want to blame GCs for everything. You even blamed us for the emigration of TCs in the early 50s, during British rule and before any conflict

What the fuck can you possibly give me other than a crappy video and a document with false information, which I have showed in your face on so many occasions?

You can talk all day Piratis, won't change a thing...

The video is a British one (your friends) and the document is a report made by EU. I choose always sources that are either Independent or hostile to us, so nobody can claim that what they say is GC propaganda.

And what did you "show on my face"? Give me a link where you managed to refute with evidence anything said in the video and the report.

But if you want to give you even more sources that confirm those things then I will. The video shows how the TCs started the inter-communal conflict. Here is from a British anti-GC site:

Not trusting Foot, Grivas' EOKA resumed its campaign in late March. Fifty bombs exploded in the first ten days of April. Foot sent a letter to Grivas on 16th April, in which he appealed for a ceasefire and although Grivas acquiesced he did not reply fearing a British attempt to track the latter back. The Turkish community was whipped into a frenzy by broadcasts from Turkey calling for the partition of Cyprus. Violence between the turks and Cypriots broke out in early June and climaxed when eight Greeks were massacred in a cornfield near the Turkish village of Geunyeli. Again, the British were forced into partitioning the two communities. At this stage, the British Army in Cyprus reached it highest number as more units arrived from mid-June. There were now twenty-six fighting units in Cyprus. In desperation, Fott ordered an island wide swoop and they arrested fifty turks and 1,500 Greeks. In under two months ninety-five civilians had been killed in the inter communal violence and many more injured.

http://www.britains-smallwars.com/cyprus/war.html

The rioting shown in the video was on the 7th of June 1958. The massacre of the 8 GCs on the 12th of June 1958. 100 of people died in the conflicts that followed. But of course you don't know about this, right? You have been taught that it is the "evil GCs" that started the conflict, and they "forgot" to mention to you the begging of the conflict. (which is the most important thing when you want to know how something started).

Dickhead!

He died from lack of treatment, and medication because he was stuffed in his village for a decade!

Does that even mean anything to you, you thick fucking shit?!,

Of course it wont, just like the fact that TC population was rightfully agitated by your dreams for Enosis and your sly attempt to neutralize any opposition with your notorious Akritas Plan, means nothing to you because you are so dam blinded by your fascist ideologies.

What moron you are Piratis, do we really have to go over everything again and again?!

And NO Enosis was not your god dam right, if it was achieved the best scenario for us would have been having half the rights the Thracian Turks have today, in their own country. That's IF our lives were spared in the first place.

So come back when you have any real evidence.

Alternatively you can ask you cheer leader Simon here to cheer you up so you can post the same shit over and over again.

Also here, from your beloved website who you constantly claim were "our friends", obviously you never were able to see us apart from Turkey, you still don't! Which is no surprise with you being racist and all

Rioting followed in Nicosia on 27th January 1958, and the incident precipitated a pitched battle between British soldiers and thousands of Turkish youths. Seven Turks were killed and twelve soldiers injured.

Also I can't help but notice how your beloved and "incredibly credible" site seems to separate the 2 ethnic communities as "turks" and "Cypriots", also having incredible amount of spelling and grammar errors all through out.

I mean it is a professionally constructed site with evidence and proper references isn't it? After all you never post anything but the utmost "credible and neutral" evidence, yes?

Because it is funny, the only reference I have managed to find so far, regarding the Cyprus issue on the site, has been from Greek academics and accounts of EOKA terrorists...

[Nikitas]

Akritas shmaikritas, fact is that in 1958 we were attacked while living in central Nicosia by a mob that ran riot. We spent that summer under curfew at night and under TC attack by day.

The immediate cause for the attacks was the bomb planted by Denktash people themselves in the information office. Cant be bothered to chase up the sources etc. IT was planned, cynically and efficiently as always.

[Nikitas]

Shah, when GCs wanted Enosis TCS reacted, legitimately according to you.

Now that the north has achieved Enosis with Turkey what do you think the GCs ought to do?

[Paphitis]

My family was not only under the threat of EOKA-B genius, don't try to shift the blame to Greece.

When you condemn the crimes of your own people I will also condemn the crimes of Turkey.

EOKA B was a Cypriot rag tag militia group led by the irresponsible and rather stupid Cypriot war lord known as Nicos Sampson.

EOKA B had absolutely nothing to do with Greece or the organised CNG which these 5 soldiers were a part of, Einstein.

Don't you dare try and twist this into something this is not, because I'm starting to lose my patience.

In case you haven't noticed, I openly condemn all cowardly acts by the EOKA B rift raft, which not only committed crimes against innocent TCs but also betrayed the nation of Cyprus.

This is what I said:

I don't know...Perhaps it had something to with the Turkish Invasion, and that is not to excuse the appalling crime committed by some fanatical EOKA B lunatic warriors...

I also challenged you to do the same by condemning the atrocious war crime depicted in this thread:

Perhaps, you could do the right thing and condemn the crimes committed against these 5 CNG POWs and blast Gabira at the same time...it would really mean a lot to me...

Are you ready to condemn this War Crime like I condemn the cowardly acts of EOKA B?

So far you have failed miserably...but I have faith in you Shah...so don't let me down...

So what is it going to be Shah?

Firstly Shah, my apologies for taking my time responding to your post. I got side tracked by Milo and Lana (Bless Their Hearts ) and to be honest it was a welcome change to all the repetitive political chit chat within Cyprus Problem.

Back to serious business now!

Paphitis, lets set one thing straight, I have no obligation to "prove myself" to you nor I care about your "patience" as either way you are the same to me and your personal expectations could not ever play a role on my perspective nor my beliefs.

You are not obligated to prove anything to anyone, or to respond to my my challenge to condemn the war crime committed against the 5 Cypriot POWs pictured in this thread.

You test my patience because you display some extremely racist and bigoted attitudes. You are very much a hardliner Turkish Cypriot who has absolutely no desire for a just and fair solution to the Cyprus Problem. Instead, you are driven by hatred and the desire to permanently partition Cyprus and to prevent GCs from returning to their ancestral homes. Your idea of a solution to the Cyprus Problem does not encompass common and convention democratic and Human rights principles which mean that all citizens of Cyprus will be equal in every respect, because as you state many times, you fear that the GCs will dominate and suffocate you.

It is an extreme shame that you say these things because you know full well that the above is not true.

So, since you condemn and accept the crimes committed towards the TC community, as opposed to the most of the extremists on this forum such as Piratis, Oracle, Sotos, who never EVER admit such crimes took place or even if they do they make sure it is swept under the carpet with silly justifications such as "well who asked you to live on this island in the first place, you got what you deserve", I applaud your honesty and neutrality on this particular matter.

Thank you very much.

But unfortunately, everyone can see that you are not being totally honest about what you write here, because both Piratis and Oracle also condemn any crimes committed against innocent TCs but you choose to ignore this.

Piratis has made hundreds of posts condemning crimes committed against TCs, as well as GCs, whilst trying to also open your eyes about the atrocities that were committed by the TMT, the Turkish Army in 74 and their combined agenda to partition the island.

I honestly feel that you should read one of his very posts once again in this very thread.

Please read the third post in the following link from Piratis:

http://cyprus-forum.com/cyprus25456-30.html

To a logical human being, his points are quite logical and well thought out.

Oracle is a different species all together. In reality, she is a much more compassionate human being than both you, I or Piratis put together. Butter could not melt in her mouth, and I have the impression that the lady is an absolute Saint in mind, body and soul.

Sotos is also an individual that would condemn any human suffering, but is anguished that people such as you show very little or no compassion to all he has to deal with due to the Turkish invasion. He is probably someone that has never harmed anyone in his life, and yet was unsurped from his ancestral home which brings about some very strong feelings and emotions, out of anger and frustration.

All these individuals are nice people and if you lowered your defence for one second, a person like yourself could very well form some new friendships with them as well as many others, and only then will you realise that the GCs are no longer out to get you.

I also want you to know that I too condemn all crimes committed against any innocent people, not only in Cyprus but all over the world.

I am very glad Shah. Bravo!

However this does not mean I am just going to forget everything and be a minority under a GC government, in my own country.

No one is asking you to forget the past. I think that is impossible for all of us. But we can move on and re-unite our country.

You will not be a minority in Cyprus either. You would become an equal citizen with an equal say in everything. The Government will not be a GC one, but will become a Cypriot Government as it always should have been. Within this Government will be politicians of various backgrounds and ideologies. I don't feel as though I am a minority in Australia and I am not part of any minority group whatsoever! I'm just Australian.

I believe that we should both forgive but we should not forget.

I could not agree with you more.

But everyone in Cyprus needs to move on and build a nation together and forget about other countries that have interfered in Cypriot affairs are stuffed us all up mentally.

There is a big difference between supporting peace while condemning crimes against humanity and accepting "minority status" under someone else's government, because of.

Their is no peace whilst the current situation continues.

There will not be any minority status between Cypriot nationals. Every citizen will be equal, in every sense, and each community will have its own administrative area.

If we are equally guilty on this island, then the outcome so far has been seriously bias which forces the partition to become more and more permanent, and I do not only mean geographically.

The situation is not biased because a separate state can't be created on stolen lands. The Turkish Invasion is an infringement on International Law and against the sovereignty of the RoC and every country and organisation recognises this fact, including Turkey!

Such a bias and unfair outcome of a conflict between 2 people who are meant to be "equally guilty", reflects a racist agenda and not one of peace and justice.

The whole world can't be racist except for Turkey.

It is a clear matter of International Law, and you need to recognise this. I believe you already do but are not being completely honest here as you agenda is to permanently partition Cyprus, a futile exercise and you know it.

I have a strong feeling that your condemnations of certain crimes will only go as far as that and nothing more, will not reflect the slightest bit of tendency for a political equality but of ethnic dominance, you are yet to prove me wrong.

How can there be ethnic dominance when the settlement currently under negotiation will provide the TC community with its own administered area and Federally all citizens will be equal.

I'm not getting it Shah...

[DT.]

I sure hope that at least one of those 'angels' in the photo was a relative of Piratis' ... that's enough justification to have executed any or all of them. Regardless, there is no proof that they were executed by the Turkish Army. They could have been killed by GC's for all we know.

Hey Gabira, I know what happened to your uncle.

[shahmaran]

Shah, when GCs wanted Enosis TCS reacted, legitimately according to you.

Now that the north has achieved Enosis with Turkey what do you think the GCs ought to do?

You can bang your heads against the wall for having thrown half of your island along with your fellow Cypriots into a turmoil that might have perpetuated so far that even they have lost control over the matter?

All for what, Enosis?

I am sorry but you can't Akritas Shamkritas it and wash your hands off from all responsibility Nikitas, seems like the fact is that the agitation was there and the resistance was right full.

The 60's constitution was not "unworkable" you just did NOT want it to work, it is that plain and simple!

So please everyone, save all the junk about us starting "it" as that is absolute rubbish and every defence that has been fabricated based on such allegations are just as dubious as the starting point itself.

Now lets wait for Pissartist to come and drag it back to the 1500's

[Get Real!]

Err, when does the orange grove pickup again Shamaran?

[Gabira]

I sure hope that at least one of those 'angels' in the photo was a relative of Piratis' ... that's enough justification to have executed any or all of them. Regardless, there is no proof that they were executed by the Turkish Army. They could have been killed by GC's for all we know.

Hey Gabira, I know what happened to your uncle.

Let's get together for coffee and you can tell me all about it