I sense an inferiority complex from shahmaran. They are not native and they have no civilization so they are trying to downplay our worldwide recognized great civilization.
Western Civilization which almost everybody follows today (even the Turks are trying).
The Turks are uncivilized barbarians from Central Asia. They came to Middle East and they became Muslims and adopted the Arabic alphabet. Then the decided they are European and they switched to the Latin Alphabet and they pretend to be European and democratic.
Arabs have a civilization. Europeans have a civilization. Almost everybody has civilization. The Turks don't have one and they are trying to choose from the ones that others created. But they can't even choose! Half of them want one thing the other half want another and non of them has a clue what civilization means
