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[shahmaran]

Sharaman, the Greeks created one of the first civilizations. Here we are not talking about the human species (we are all the same from a DNA point of view) but about ethnic groups, their culture, language and civilization in general, which is what makes somebody being Greek, French, Turkish etc.

An ingenious way to give Turks the excuse of displacing anyone they feel like displacing.

A cheap excuse actually. If we go by his theory then humans are only native to the specific area in Africa were they evolved. He thinks that by removing the "nativeness" from the local people it will give to them the right for crimes like ethnic cleansing and bringing Turkish Settlers to our island. But as I said that is a very cheap excuse that nobody will ever accept.

Excuse me you did what?!

Create what did you say?!?

[shahmaran]

Piratis, please elaborate more on what you mean by the "Greeks creating the first civilisation" so that me and my friends here can all have a good laugh

We have to thank God he sent us the Greeks or what ever would we do, we would never have a civilisation!

What I love about the Greek's most, is that they always go on about how much "civilisation" they have given the world, but don't seem to be aware of the fact that they have not kept any for themselves

Talk about chronically delusive ethnocentrism....

[shahmaran]

While you are at it, please also point out to me in which of these definitions you fit in and also tell me why you do not think the TC's do not fit in there, also include your latest thesis which suggests, why they do not fit in there anymore so that we can clarify this "nativity" bull-crap for once and all;

na·tive (ntv)
adj.
1. Existing in or belonging to one by nature; innate: native ability.
2. Being such by birth or origin: a native Scot.
3. Being one's own because of the place or circumstances of one's birth: our native land.
4. Originating, growing, or produced in a certain place or region; indigenous: a plant native to Asia.
5.
a. Being a member of the original inhabitants of a particular place.
b. Of, belonging to, or characteristic of such inhabitants: native dress; the native diet of Polynesia.
6. Occurring in nature pure or uncombined with other substances: native copper.
7. Natural; unaffected: native beauty.
8. Archaic Closely related, as by birth or race.
9. Biochemistry Of or relating to the naturally occurring conformation of a macromolecule, such as a protein.
n.
1.
a. One born in or connected with a place by birth: a native of Scotland now living in the United States.
b. One of the original inhabitants or lifelong residents of a place.
2. An animal or plant that originated in a particular place or region.

Thank you...

[Nikitas]

Shah said:

"The reason for the invasion is well and truly documented "

maybe so, but how does that justify the rest of the package, of ethnic cleansing, land usurpation, continued exclusion of Cypriots from one third of their country? At which point is the security issue settled so that life can revert to normal? The notion that what is there now is normal is obviously not going down with most of the world.

[Piratis]

shahmaran, the Greek Civilization is well known and I can not educate you in this one thread. Maybe you should go to some proper university and get some real education? Have you ever thought about this?

I wonder, did you receive any education from any non-Turkish institution, and if you did, could you tell me which one it is?

[shahmaran]

I will not provide you with personal details but I assure you my education has been from various places and most of it has been non-Turkish, as I believe I have mentioned it before.

Now answer the above thread on "nativity" please.

Also the Greek civilisation is not THAT old and there are MANY civilisations that came thousands of years before, meaning the Greek's were not the "first civilisation".

Sumerians are a very good example, they were over around 4000 BC, I have read some of the translations of their tablets and it is fascinating to see how many things are "thought" to have originated from Greeks.

It is so absurd that someone who spends so much time discussing these things on so many different sites, does not know much about other civilisations.

So since you brought it up, where did you study Piratis?

[EPSILON]

I will not provide you with personal details but I assure you my education has been from various places and most of it has been non-Turkish, as I believe I have mentioned it before.

Now answer the above thread on "nativity" please.

Also the Greek civilisation is not THAT old and there are MANY civilisations that came thousands of years before, meaning the Greek's were not the "first civilisation".

Sumerians are a very good example, they were over around 4000 BC, I have read some of the translations of their tablets and it is fascinating to see how many things are "thought" to have originated from Greeks.

It is so absurd that someone who spends so much time discussing these things on so many different sites, does not know much about other civilisations.

So since you brought it up, where did you study Piratis?

Sharamn, you are very soft, i will report you as trator to Turkish government-THeir policy recently changed stating that all ancient findings in West Turkey is proving the civilization of your nation's ancient history. Therefore your position should be that all we know today and particularly Democracy, Philosophy, Astronomy, Physics, are all results of the Turkish civilization.And all these in adition to the great bridges Ottomans were building. Sharaman now you can dream further.

[Oracle]

... Also the Greek civilisation is not THAT old and there are MANY civilisations that came thousands of years before, meaning the Greek's were not the "first civilisation".

If the Greek civilisation is not that old at several thousand years ... what does that make of the "Turkish" at a few seconds .... yet without doubt, amongst the most learned scholars, Greek legacy has been the MOST influential, having left the most currently adopted legacies.

If you study Classics you will be spending 90% of your time delving in Greek ... not Sumerian; although their relationship with the tribes which continued north and led to the settlements in what is now Greece, links all these early civilisations. (Turks were in Mongolia then).

[Oracle]

point out to me in which of these definitions you fit in and also tell me why you do not think the TC's do not fit in there

This one:

a. Being a member of the original inhabitants of a particular place.

The GCs are the original inhabitants and the Turk-TCs are not!

And these:

a. One born in or connected with a place by birth: a native of Scotland now living in the United States.
b. One of the original inhabitants or lifelong residents of a place.

For example, you can substitute "a native of Scotland now living in the United States" for "a native of Mongolia now living in Cyprus".

[Piratis]

I will not provide you with personal details but I assure you my education has been from various places and most of it has been non-Turkish, as I believe I have mentioned it before.

Now answer the above thread on "nativity" please.

Also the Greek civilisation is not THAT old and there are MANY civilisations that came thousands of years before, meaning the Greek's were not the "first civilisation".

Sumerians are a very good example, they were over around 4000 BC, I have read some of the translations of their tablets and it is fascinating to see how many things are "thought" to have originated from Greeks.

It is so absurd that someone who spends so much time discussing these things on so many different sites, does not know much about other civilisations.

So since you brought it up, where did you study Piratis?

We are 100% native mate. Native doesn't mean to grow out of the land or to have evolved at the specific place, otherwise Humans would be considered as native of some part of Africa only.

The Mycenaeans were among the first to come to Cyprus and they created new cities on uninhabited land. We are the result of all people that ever came to Cyprus. Both those few that were in Cyprus before the Mycenaeans and those that came after. Most importantly the Mycenaeans did not even consider themselves as "Greek" or "Hellens" at that time. Such terms did not exist. The Greek civilization did not exist yet either. We were among those people who created what "Greek" (Hellen) is. Cyprus for the Greeks is not a destination, but one of the origins. Even the Greek Alphabet could have been created in Cyprus:
http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/ ... 151297.php

Although non of the above is true for the TCs, still as I said to you and I repeat: I don't have a problem with TCs calling themselves native of Cyprus since they existed on this island for long enough and they have created their own unique culture.


About the Greek Civilization:

What I correctly said was: "the Greeks created one of the first civilizations". I didn't say "Greeks creating the first civilisation", did I? Once again you choose to distort my words. When you quote what I say, please copy and paste what I actually said, OK?

And the Greeks were indeed one of the first Civilizations. And I am talking about real Civilizations here, not about a village with 10 houses.

How many more civilizations can you think that existed before the Greeks? Except from the Sumerians, the Egyptians, Babylonians, the Indus Valley, and maybe a couple of more? The Greeks were indeed among the first, and in fact the very first European Civilization, which is the basis of the Western Civilization which almost everybody follows today (even the Turks are trying).

I studied in the USA, and where I studied they offered courses about the Greek Civilization. Most, if not all, good universities offer such courses and many of them have a separate Classics department that deals with the Greek and Roman Civilizations in detail. This is why I wonder where you studied. Was it a technical school or something?