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[shahmaran]

Well since you have committed the exact same crimes and have no ethically legitimate basis for Enosis other than Piratis's "personal" interpretation of the laws and history plus few dubious laws that can easily be misunderstood given the complicated circumstances and conditions that could have never been met, you do not really have any face to talk.

Basically it has become even more clear that ALL this crap about "us starting it" is nothing but indeed, crap!

Absolute and utter crap!

[Viewpoint]

Shah they thought they had us beat but as the underdogs we came up trumps when they taunted us with the song Bekledim da gelmedin but to their loss Turkey did arrive. Its always reminds of the school bully being the GCs beating up the little puney kid everyday but when the little kids bigger stronger brother beats the shit out of the school bulyy he starts to cray and complain, the school bully is the GC mindset.

[Oracle]

... we came up trumps ...

Enjoy your solitary confinement at the hands of the Midnight Express torturers from Turkey who are slowly strangling you to death ...

[Get Real!]

Shah they thought they had us beat but as the underdogs we came up trumps when they taunted us with the song Bekledim da gelmedin but to their loss Turkey did arrive. Its always reminds of the school bully being the GCs beating up the little puney kid everyday but when the little kids bigger stronger brother beats the shit out of the school bulyy he starts to cray and complain, the school bully is the GC mindset.

So were the TCs the little puny kid or the spoilt little shit that kept receiving weapons and encouragement from Turkey to start trouble?

[Piratis]

Both sides suffered- end of!

Of course! No question about that.

But we can also say:
None would suffer if the Turks/TCs didn't start the conflict (1958) and the war (1974) - end off!

As is almost always the case, when there is a war or a conflict both sides suffer. For example Germany in WWII had among the most casualties from the countries that participated in that war.

So the important thing is not to say that "both sides suffered", that is inevitable when a conflict or a war starts. The important thing is who is the aggressor and who started the conflict and the war.

As I have shown many times in the forum, both the inter-communal conflict and the war of 1974 was started by the Turks/TCs with the aim first to prevent Cypriots from exercising their legitimate rights, and secondly for annihilating most Cypriots from half of Cyprus, a plan they created in the 50s before the conflict, and for which they created a conflict and then a war in order to materialize. (and which they are now try to legalize)

When did the enosis dream start? 1940ssss???

1821. When the Cypriot people along with all other Greeks revolted for freedom from the Ottoman oppression.

Do you have any point?

[Nikitas]

"Basically it has become even more clear that ALL this crap about "us starting it" is nothing but indeed, crap! "

Not so for those of us who experienced the attacks of 1958. There was nothing to provoke mob attacks like those that took place in central Nicosia that summer.

And for those that hark about war crimes etc. The major crime of 1974 was the one committed by those assholes who thought they could carry out double union with nor repercussions simply because their "allies" had given assurances. You know who I mean, they are the same people that sent national guardsmen to fight tanks armed with enfield rifles and five bullets. Their idea was that double union was better than the deal worked out between Clerides and Denktash in 1973 and almost signed in 1974.

We are still protecting these assholes by no opening the Cyprus file. As if we do not know wha it contains.

[Piratis]

Well since you have committed the exact same crimes and have no ethically legitimate basis for Enosis other than Piratis's "personal" interpretation of the laws and history plus few dubious laws that can easily be misunderstood given the complicated circumstances and conditions that could have never been met, you do not really have any face to talk.

Basically it has become even more clear that ALL this crap about "us starting it" is nothing but indeed, crap!

Absolute and utter crap!

Who said that we committed "exactly the same crimes"? The crimes that the Turks committed against us are far more both in terms of amount of casualties and in terms of amount of time. Most importantly it is the the Turks and TCs who started all the conflicts and wars during which all the crimes were committed.

Once again: (and as many times as it is needed)

The UN Resolution about decolonization clearly defines "integration into an independent State" as one of the three "legitimate options of full self-government. ".
http://www.un.org/Depts/dpi/decolonizat ... ration.htm

How could it be OK for Cyprus to be under Ottoman or British rule against the will of the Cypriot people and with Cypriots mere subjects of those empires, but not OK for Cyprus to be part of a Republic were Cypriots democratically chose to belong and were Cypriots would be equal citizens?

Uniting Cyprus with the rest of Greece was our right, and it would violate none of your human or any other rights.

Rhodes, which also has a Turkish minority, united with Greece in 1947. The wish of the Rhodian people was accepted, and there was no conflicts and no problems.

And I have provided clear and irrefutable evidence about you starting the inter-communal conflict:


http://hansard.millbanksystems.com/comm ... /10/cyprus
http://www.stwing.upenn.edu/~durduran/h ... onyeli.pdf

The only thing left for you now is to keep denying the truth, as you have always done. But denying the truth will not make it go away.

[Piratis]

Shah they thought they had us beat but as the underdogs we came up trumps when they taunted us with the song Bekledim da gelmedin but to their loss Turkey did arrive. Its always reminds of the school bully being the GCs beating up the little puney kid everyday but when the little kids bigger stronger brother beats the shit out of the school bulyy he starts to cray and complain, the school bully is the GC mindset.

Not a good example VP. The bully has always been the Turks and their extension to Cyprus. It is the Turks who invaded us and came to our island with the aim to oppress and exploit Cyprus and its people. We never left from our island to harm anybody else. We just fought, and we will continue to fight against the Turkish expansionism until we gain our freedom.

[Mr. T]

This photograph, by a Turkish photoreporter, proves what I always suspected: there was a deliberate policy by the Turkish army to excute prisoners as part of a wider campaign to terrorise and therefore expel the GCs from northern Cyprus. It was the first deliberate policy of ethnic cleansing in the west, and a precursor of the campaigns of Yugoslavia.

The irony is that in the photo, obviously posed for propaganda, a Turkish soldier offers cigarettes to the prisoners of war, then they shot them, but that part is not photographed.

This latest discovery comes as the most direct corroboration of the reports of the Times in late August and September 1974.

These bums want the world to believe they are the best army in NATO!

T.C.s you are to be congratulated on your good nature in not rubbing it in that

(a) the continual ramblings, of the likes of Nikatas, where they talk of facts and proof so often turns out to be complete and utter rubbish as are, of course, most of their postings.

(b) that the excerpt, below, from the Cyprus Mail article of today's date shows that there is a reasonable chance that those photographed and referred to in this particular thread had themselves not long previously committed war crimes and if so deserved their earthly fate prior to their trip to a somewhat hotter place.

Between 20 July and 14 August 1974, the village of Djiaos was overrun by Greek Cypriot soldiers and army irregulars. During this period, allegations were made that the Greek Cypriot forces attacked the local inhabitants. Speaking recently on CyBC television, Yiannakis Christodoulou, a comrade of the five captured POWs who had managed to escape and then looked on from a distance of 100m as the five were being rounded up, described the chaos that reigned within the National Guard at the time: “We did so many [bad] things at Djiaos, it was only natural that whoever of us was caught was a goner,” Christodoulou said candidly.

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[shahmaran]

Well since you have committed the exact same crimes and have no ethically legitimate basis for Enosis other than Piratis's "personal" interpretation of the laws and history plus few dubious laws that can easily be misunderstood given the complicated circumstances and conditions that could have never been met, you do not really have any face to talk.

Basically it has become even more clear that ALL this crap about "us starting it" is nothing but indeed, crap!

Absolute and utter crap!

Who said that we committed "exactly the same crimes"? The crimes that the Turks committed against us are far more both in terms of amount of casualties and in terms of amount of time. Most importantly it is the the Turks and TCs who started all the conflicts and wars during which all the crimes were committed.

Once again: (and as many times as it is needed)

The UN Resolution about decolonization clearly defines "integration into an independent State" as one of the three "legitimate options of full self-government. ".
http://www.un.org/Depts/dpi/decolonizat ... ration.htm

How could it be OK for Cyprus to be under Ottoman or British rule against the will of the Cypriot people and with Cypriots mere subjects of those empires, but not OK for Cyprus to be part of a Republic were Cypriots democratically chose to belong and were Cypriots would be equal citizens?

Uniting Cyprus with the rest of Greece was our right, and it would violate none of your human or any other rights.

Rhodes, which also has a Turkish minority, united with Greece in 1947. The wish of the Rhodian people was accepted, and there was no conflicts and no problems.

And I have provided clear and irrefutable evidence about you starting the inter-communal conflict:


http://hansard.millbanksystems.com/comm ... /10/cyprus
http://www.stwing.upenn.edu/~durduran/h ... onyeli.pdf

The only thing left for you now is to keep denying the truth, as you have always done. But denying the truth will not make it go away.

More fighters = more casualties

Indeed Piratis, denying the truth will not make it go away, you still have a LOT more denying to do