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[Nikitas]

Someone above has implied that the photograph of the five captives is fake. Here are the facts-

The photographer was the Turkish photoreporter Ergin Konuksever. According to his interview in Turkish papoers (Milliyet and Hurriyet) he e was in a Turkish army amoured vehicle when they sa
w the scene of the five captives and Turkish soldiers. The commanding officer was named Boratas. The five captives were handed over to TC fighters who took them behind a hillock and executed them. Konuskever says he photographed the five dead bodies and his films were taken from him the following day when he was captured by GC guradsmen. He also gave relevant statements to the UN.

The mystery, which borders on scandal, is why the relatives of these five people were not told they were dead, if the authorities had the photographer's statements and photos. They were left wondering for 35 years about the fate of their people.

[YFred]

Someone above has implied that the photograph of the five captives is fake. Here are the facts-

The photographer was the Turkish photoreporter Ergin Konuksever. According to his interview in Turkish papoers (Milliyet and Hurriyet) he e was in a Turkish army amoured vehicle when they sa
w the scene of the five captives and Turkish soldiers. The commanding officer was named Boratas. The five captives were handed over to TC fighters who took them behind a hillock and executed them. Konuskever says he photographed the five dead bodies and his films were taken from him the following day when he was captured by GC guradsmen. He also gave relevant statements to the UN.

The mystery, which borders on scandal, is why the relatives of these five people were not told they were dead, if the authorities had the photographer's statements and photos. They were left wondering for 35 years about the fate of their people.

So they were killed by the TMT and not the TA. That does make sense. Because Denktash admitted as much few years ago.
RoC had known about a lot more deaths and although they new where they were burried, it suited them to claim them as missing. That is beyond belief.

[Piratis]

Sure, if you consider us not to be native and Cypriot and it says nothing about majority or minority, it says the people!

And that is exactly what it boils down to, to what I have been saying since the first time I set foot on this forum

You are racist and discriminative and this is the root of your argument and your problem, everything else is whishwash!

Just like I said before Piratis, you are the wrong person defending the right ideas, making them work the wrong way...

It boils down to what I have been saying, and it is the exact contrary to what you are saying. People of the territory (not "communities", or "groups", but people) that should democratically (one person one vote) allowed to decide the destiny of their own territory, choosing among legitimate options, one of which is "integration into an independent State". I said about a million times that you, like every other Cypriot, would have the right to cast your vote in a democratic and peaceful referendum where Cypriots would be allowed to freely choose what they want for their own island.

It is you who wants racist discriminations and wants to divide the people into two groups based on their language and religion, and then claim that because one group of 18% doesn't agree with the rest this means that the territory should be deprived of its rights. And you went even further by collaborating with the colonialists and starting an inter communal conflict in order to deprive the Cypriot people of their right to democratically choose among legitimate options for the decolonization of their island, and instead impose on Cyprus what you and your foreign Imperialist partners wanted.

[shahmaran]

Look, it says we need to first have a real WORKING democracy!

It does not say, silence some, remove peoples rights by changing the constitution and then pretend it is your democratic right!

You claimed ENOSIS was your right and I just showed you it was not, because you did not try to claim it in legitimate ways and you would not have been able to anyway, hence why you resorted to violence.

[AWE]

http://www.thelondondailynews.com/turkish-crimes-uncovered-mass-graves-cyprus-p-3248.html

Excerpt...

The revelations of the mass graves comes on the day when the vice chairman of the parliamentary group for the "Friend of Cyprus" Andrew Dismore Labour MP for Hendon, and chairman of parliament's human rights committee outlined how he was determined to pursue anyone who has committed war criminals and said in The Guardian:

"The UK must not be a safe haven for evil. The message to those who have perpetrated the most heinous crime imaginable must be clear: they are not welcome here, not to visit, not to live, not to holiday, shop or get medical treatment. The UK should close these loopholes in the law. We also need to establish a specialist war crime unit".

The London Daily News has been made aware of London based Cypriot organisations preparing law suits against the Turkish government for war crimes that may implicate London based Turkish diplomats and citizens who have been accused of complicity in war crimes during the 1974 invasion of Cyprus. There are around 3,000 Greek-Cypriots living in the Hendon constituency of Andrew Dismore; which may according to senior sources in the Greek-Cypriot community provide enough justification to pressure the British parliamentary human rights committee to pursue Turks in the UK involved in war crimes in Cyprus in 1974.

A dossier of the information will be submitted, according to a senior Greek-Cypriot source, to the parliamentary human’s right committee for review on UK based Turks who were involved in war crimes in 1974.

No EU country should be a haven for mass murders.

http://www.alaminos.org/english/monuments.html

so what about the others that did not die "On 20th July 1974, he joined the army as a reserve officer and he took part in the fights in Alaminos where he died as a hero." this is the village where 13 TC were later found having been executed by firing squad.

or those CNG members who ordered and took part in the death of Cengiz Topel in '64

All the more reason for a Truth & Reconciliation Commission.

[Piratis]

Look, it says we need to first have a real WORKING democracy!

It does not say, silence some, remove peoples rights by changing the constitution and then pretend it is your democratic right!

You claimed ENOSIS was your right and I just showed you it was not, because you did not try to claim it in legitimate ways and you would not have been able to anyway, hence why you resorted to violence.

How did you show me that Enosis was not our right? The UN resolution clearly defines "integration into an independent State" as a legitimate right.

And I tell you again: Why would we need to silence you? You are just the 18% and even if all of you voted against enosis in a democratic referendum, enosis would still happen because the vast majority of Cypriots would vote in favor of it.

On the contrary it is you and the colonialists who used force to silence the Cypriot people, forcing on us a constitution which not only benefited you and foreign imperialists on our expense, but which also prohibited from us from having enosis, which was our right.

You didn't allow a working democracy and a peaceful and democratic referendum, because the result of this would be union with Greece. So you used force to silence the Cypriot people and deprive them from their right.

[Piratis]

All the more reason for a Truth & Reconciliation Commission.

I am all for this. Punish the 100 or 1000 or 10.000 people responsible for crimes, and most importantly those who created the whole problem by turning the TC minority against the majority (by promising to them gains and privileges that no other minority in the world has), in order to maintain their troops and control over our island.

[shahmaran]

Look, it says we need to first have a real WORKING democracy!

It does not say, silence some, remove peoples rights by changing the constitution and then pretend it is your democratic right!

You claimed ENOSIS was your right and I just showed you it was not, because you did not try to claim it in legitimate ways and you would not have been able to anyway, hence why you resorted to violence.

How did you show me that Enosis was not our right? The UN resolution clearly defines "integration into an independent State" as a legitimate right.

And I tell you again: Why would we need to silence you? You are just the 18% and even if all of you voted against enosis in a democratic referendum, enosis would still happen because the vast majority of Cypriots would vote in favor of it.

On the contrary it is you and the colonialists who used force to silence the Cypriot people, forcing on us a constitution which not only benefited you and foreign imperialists on our expense, but which also prohibited from us from having enosis, which was our right.

You didn't allow a working democracy and a peaceful and democratic referendum, because the result of this would be union with Greece. So you used force to silence the Cypriot people and deprive them from their right.

The UN resolution clearly defines "integration into an independent State" as a legitimate right.

IF you meet the above conditions, which you don't.

If you claim you have not tried to silence us and "bypass" us on your quest for Enosis, then please explain to me the reason for the Akritas Plan...

[74LB]

....... You are just the 18% and even if all of you voted against enosis in a democratic referendum, enosis would still happen because the vast majority of Cypriots would vote in favor of it.

Replace the words enosis with anything and you'll see why TC's have reservations about democracy via one man one vote.

I know its democratic, and I know its the way its in all democratic countries, but given our history does anyone honestly think this would work when you see the above ?

This is why TC's are asking for safeguards in whatever solution is put forward.

Would GC's be asking for the same I wonder if they were 18%, or anything less than 50% for that matter.

[Viewpoint]

If its going to effect our fundemental rights to live as an independent country we will fight again, we will not capitulate to the GCs and their demands.