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[shahmaran]

Enosis was not your right, get over it!

If it is your right then so it is ours! Is that OK with you?

[Piratis]

Well according to you, 500 years later we were still after more?! More of what?!

Whatever anyways, I am not expecting any logical answers from you, never did, so you are welcome to "fight" as long as you want, just remember that we will be here and we will not settle for anything less then what is our right and what was agreed up on mutually before you blew it all!

So good luck to you too...

You are after for more gains on our expense than what was given to you by the foreign imperialists in 1960 as an award for attacking the GCs and helping them to defeat the Cypriot revolution and maintain their troops and control over our island.

What is your right is your individual human rights as Cypriot citizens and any other rights that minority ethnic groups receive in every other democratic country. If you think those rights are not enough and you want more then give the same to the Greek minority in Turkey. Your rights are not what is granted to you on our expense by foreign imperialists.

Again more rubbish, we were here 100s of years before the Imperialists and as equals.

That is our right, not some petty post-war offerings, thanks but no thanks...

The Ottomans were also Imperialists. And you were not just "equals" but even back then you divided the population into Muslim and Christians giving to the Muslims more rights than the Christians.

What is granted to your minority by foreign Imperialists (Ottomans or British) is not your right in a free and democratic Cyprus. Your rights are your human and individual rights as equal Cypriots, and beyond that any rights that ethnic minorities have in every other democratic country. Nothing more and nothing less.

You are making a big mistake if you think that we will accept as your "rights", privileges that are granted to your minority on our expense by foreign Imperialists as a reward for helping them maintain troops and control over parts of our island.

[Piratis]

Enosis was not your right, get over it!

And why Enosis was not a right of the Cypriot people? The UN Resolution about decolonization clearly defines "integration into an independent State" as one of the three "legitimate options of full self-government. ".
http://www.un.org/Depts/dpi/decolonizat ... ration.htm

How could it be OK for Cyprus to be under Ottoman or British rule against the will of the Cypriot people and with Cypriots mere subjects of those empires, but not OK for Cyprus to be part of a Republic were Cypriots democratically chose to belong and were Cypriots would be equal citizens?

Uniting Cyprus with the rest of Greece was our right, and it would violate none of your human or any other rights.

Rhodes, which also has a Turkish minority, united with Greece in 1947. The wish of the Rhodian people was accepted, and there was no conflicts and no problems.

If it is your right then so it is ours! Is that OK with you?

What was your right? To attack and kill Greek Cypriots? To perform ethnic cleansing? To collaborate with the Colonialists to impose your will on the Cypriot people?

[shahmaran]

Piratis didn't Markarios state that it was the Greeks desire for Enosis which destroyed Cyprus. Blaming the Turks for what happened makes out EOKA and EOKA 'B' were just defending their interests namely joining Cyprus with Greece. Markarios knew this and was nearly killed for it. I lost family well before 1974 because of the troubles and they didn't have a nationalistic bone in their bodies. Ethnically cleansed out of Lefkara in 1964 and thanks to those Greek Cypriots who stood up the National Guard and Greek Officers who told them they would be killed also if they defended the Turks. I don't need Wikipedia to tell me what happened on the island thank you very much!

What 1964? The conflict was started by the TCs in the 50s. A simple fact you choose to ignore mate. Why? Because it shows clearly that you are the aggressors?

And non of what I posted was from Wikipedia

Bullshit, you want Enosis, you want to silence the TC's, you invite thousands of troops in from Greece to give you a hand, even your own president had to escape, and we started the conflict?!

Piratis is living on an island called Cyprus which is located in the South West corner of Jupiter!

We wanted our self-determination and freedom, and we had the right to unite our island with whomever we democratically choose. We fought against the British Colonialists and not against you. (until you attacked us and started to demand ouor annihilation from half of our island). How could it be OK for Cyprus to be under Ottoman or British rule against the will of the Cypriot people and with Cypriots mere subjects of those empires, but not OK for Cyprus to be part of a Republic were Cypriots democratically chose to belong and were Cypriots would be equal citizens?

The UN Resolution about decolonization clearly defines "integration into an independent State" as one of the three "legitimate options of full self-government. ".
http://www.un.org/Depts/dpi/decolonizat ... ration.htm

We asked for nothing that was not our right. But you attacked us and you started the conflict. If you had accepted the right of the Cypriot people to peacefully and democratically decide the destiny of their own island then there would be no conflict or any of the things that were created later due to the conflict which you started with the aim to yet again prevent Cyprus from being free and have gains on our expense.

Principle IX

Integration should have come about in the following circumstances:

(a) The integrating territory should have attained an advanced stage of self-government with free political institutions, so that its people would have the capacity to make a responsible choice through informed and democratic processes;
(b) The integration should be the result of the freely expressed wished of the territory's people acting with full knowledge of the change in their status, their wishes having been expressed through informed and democratic processes, impartially conducted and based on universal adult suffrage. The United Nations could, when it deemed necessary, supervise these processes.

Does it say anything about "silencing" some of the people with your Akritas Plan or "changes" in the constitution and force them to agree up on your selfish demands? NO.

Does it say you can pull dirty tricks to make it "look" like you have this "right" ? NO!

So, was it your right? NO!

Did you cause the manifestation of the conflict, with unrightfully and selfishly demanding Enosis, into the division of the island? Yes you did!

[Piratis]

Piratis didn't Markarios state that it was the Greeks desire for Enosis which destroyed Cyprus. Blaming the Turks for what happened makes out EOKA and EOKA 'B' were just defending their interests namely joining Cyprus with Greece. Markarios knew this and was nearly killed for it. I lost family well before 1974 because of the troubles and they didn't have a nationalistic bone in their bodies. Ethnically cleansed out of Lefkara in 1964 and thanks to those Greek Cypriots who stood up the National Guard and Greek Officers who told them they would be killed also if they defended the Turks. I don't need Wikipedia to tell me what happened on the island thank you very much!

What 1964? The conflict was started by the TCs in the 50s. A simple fact you choose to ignore mate. Why? Because it shows clearly that you are the aggressors?

And non of what I posted was from Wikipedia

Bullshit, you want Enosis, you want to silence the TC's, you invite thousands of troops in from Greece to give you a hand, even your own president had to escape, and we started the conflict?!

Piratis is living on an island called Cyprus which is located in the South West corner of Jupiter!

We wanted our self-determination and freedom, and we had the right to unite our island with whomever we democratically choose. We fought against the British Colonialists and not against you. (until you attacked us and started to demand ouor annihilation from half of our island). How could it be OK for Cyprus to be under Ottoman or British rule against the will of the Cypriot people and with Cypriots mere subjects of those empires, but not OK for Cyprus to be part of a Republic were Cypriots democratically chose to belong and were Cypriots would be equal citizens?

The UN Resolution about decolonization clearly defines "integration into an independent State" as one of the three "legitimate options of full self-government. ".
http://www.un.org/Depts/dpi/decolonizat ... ration.htm

We asked for nothing that was not our right. But you attacked us and you started the conflict. If you had accepted the right of the Cypriot people to peacefully and democratically decide the destiny of their own island then there would be no conflict or any of the things that were created later due to the conflict which you started with the aim to yet again prevent Cyprus from being free and have gains on our expense.

Principle IX

Integration should have come about in the following circumstances:

(a) The integrating territory should have attained an advanced stage of self-government with free political institutions, so that its people would have the capacity to make a responsible choice through informed and democratic processes;
(b) The integration should be the result of the freely expressed wished of the territory's people acting with full knowledge of the change in their status, their wishes having been expressed through informed and democratic processes, impartially conducted and based on universal adult suffrage. The United Nations could, when it deemed necessary, supervise these processes.

Does it say anything about "silencing" some of the people with your Akritas Plan or "changes" in the constitution and force them to agree up on your selfish demands? NO.

Does it say you can pull dirty tricks to make it "look" like you have this "right" ? NO!

So, was it your right? NO!

Did you cause the manifestation of the conflict, with unrightfully and selfishly demanding Enosis, into the division of the island? Yes you did!

It says precisely what I say. That the people should freely and democratically decide what they want for their own territory. Something you used force in order to prevent from happening. We didn't need any "dirty tricks" or anything else. What we wanted was our right for a referendum that would ask the Cypriot people if they want union with Greece. Nothing more was needed. Just our right, as it is described in this UN resolution.

Does it say that the colonialist or any foreigners can impose a constitution by blackmailing the native people? NO.

Does is say that a minority has the right to overwrite the democratically expressed wish of the people of the territory? NO

If you had allowed the Cypriot people their FREEDOM to begin with there wouldn't be any "Akritas Plan". And why would we want to "silence" you? Even if all your 18% had voted against union with Greece, the result of a referendum would still favor union with Greece by a large margin.

[shahmaran]

Sure, if you consider us not to be native and Cypriot and it says nothing about majority or minority, it says the people!

And that is exactly what it boils down to, to what I have been saying since the first time I set foot on this forum

You are racist and discriminative and this is the root of your argument and your problem, everything else is whishwash!

Just like I said before Piratis, you are the wrong person defending the right ideas, making them work the wrong way...

[Dr J]

You are racist and discriminative and this is the root of your argument and your problem, everything else is whishwash!

WaHAAAAY look! Another nationalist Turk ironically accusing someone of racism!

[YFred]

You are racist and discriminative and this is the root of your argument and your problem, everything else is whishwash!

WaHAAAAY look! Another nationalist Turk ironically accusing someone of racism!

I don't see any irony nor accusation old boy, its fact.

[growuptcs]

You are racist and discriminative and this is the root of your argument and your problem, everything else is whishwash!

WaHAAAAY look! Another nationalist Turk ironically accusing someone of racism!

I don't see any irony nor accusation old boy, its fact.

Of course you don't. Any turd from Turkey would say likewise.

[DT.]

Sure, if you consider us not to be native and Cypriot and it says nothing about majority or minority, it says the people!

And that is exactly what it boils down to, to what I have been saying since the first time I set foot on this forum

You are racist and discriminative and this is the root of your argument and your problem, everything else is whishwash!

Just like I said before Piratis, you are the wrong person defending the right ideas, making them work the wrong way...

So Shah, are you saying that every single person in the country must agree and not the majority when you say the people? 82% sounds like the people if you ask me.