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[shahmaran]

And neither do I.

Enough said when we all acknowledge the Otto-Turks came to rule us or kill us if we disobeyed.

By moral law all GCs are entitled to defend themselves against this Turkish role.

Too long we have been sitting ducks for the whim of the Turks.

They need to leave.

That would hold a bit of water if this was your island Oracle, but unfortunately it is not, so maybe some day when you actually own an entire island you can exercise such fascist ideologies, but for the moment you will just have to make do with whinging on the internet

[Piratis]

Well according to you, 500 years later we were still after more?! More of what?!

Whatever anyways, I am not expecting any logical answers from you, never did, so you are welcome to "fight" as long as you want, just remember that we will be here and we will not settle for anything less then what is our right and what was agreed up on mutually before you blew it all!

So good luck to you too...

You are after for more gains on our expense than what was given to you by the foreign imperialists in 1960 as an award for attacking the GCs and helping them to defeat the Cypriot revolution and maintain their troops and control over our island.

What is your right is your individual human rights as Cypriot citizens and any other rights that minority ethnic groups receive in every other democratic country. If you think those rights are not enough and you want more then give the same to the Greek minority in Turkey. Your rights are not what is granted to you on our expense by foreign imperialists.

[Piratis]

Piratis didn't Markarios state that it was the Greeks desire for Enosis which destroyed Cyprus. Blaming the Turks for what happened makes out EOKA and EOKA 'B' were just defending their interests namely joining Cyprus with Greece. Markarios knew this and was nearly killed for it. I lost family well before 1974 because of the troubles and they didn't have a nationalistic bone in their bodies. Ethnically cleansed out of Lefkara in 1964 and thanks to those Greek Cypriots who stood up the National Guard and Greek Officers who told them they would be killed also if they defended the Turks. I don't need Wikipedia to tell me what happened on the island thank you very much!

What 1964? The conflict was started by the TCs in the 50s. A simple fact you choose to ignore mate. Why? Because it shows clearly that you are the aggressors?

And non of what I posted was from Wikipedia

[The Cypriot]

http://www.thelondondailynews.com/turki ... -3248.html

Excerpt...

The revelations of the mass graves comes on the day when the vice chairman of the parliamentary group for the "Friend of Cyprus" Andrew Dismore Labour MP for Hendon, and chairman of parliament's human rights committee outlined how he was determined to pursue anyone who has committed war criminals and said in The Guardian:

"The UK must not be a safe haven for evil. The message to those who have perpetrated the most heinous crime imaginable must be clear: they are not welcome here, not to visit, not to live, not to holiday, shop or get medical treatment. The UK should close these loopholes in the law. We also need to establish a specialist war crime unit".

The London Daily News has been made aware of London based Cypriot organisations preparing law suits against the Turkish government for war crimes that may implicate London based Turkish diplomats and citizens who have been accused of complicity in war crimes during the 1974 invasion of Cyprus. There are around 3,000 Greek-Cypriots living in the Hendon constituency of Andrew Dismore; which may according to senior sources in the Greek-Cypriot community provide enough justification to pressure the British parliamentary human rights committee to pursue Turks in the UK involved in war crimes in Cyprus in 1974.

A dossier of the information will be submitted, according to a senior Greek-Cypriot source, to the parliamentary human’s right committee for review on UK based Turks who were involved in war crimes in 1974.

[Nikitas]

"thanks to those Greek Cypriots who stood up the National Guard and Greek Officers who told them they would be killed also if they defended the Turks. "

Obviously SOME GCs stood up to the fascists in the 60s and almost all of them fought back in 1974. Where are the patriotic TCs to stand up to the methodical and systematic erasure of TCs going on in the north? The voices that oppose the turkification of the north are very few and are just voices, nothing more.

[shahmaran]

Piratis didn't Markarios state that it was the Greeks desire for Enosis which destroyed Cyprus. Blaming the Turks for what happened makes out EOKA and EOKA 'B' were just defending their interests namely joining Cyprus with Greece. Markarios knew this and was nearly killed for it. I lost family well before 1974 because of the troubles and they didn't have a nationalistic bone in their bodies. Ethnically cleansed out of Lefkara in 1964 and thanks to those Greek Cypriots who stood up the National Guard and Greek Officers who told them they would be killed also if they defended the Turks. I don't need Wikipedia to tell me what happened on the island thank you very much!

What 1964? The conflict was started by the TCs in the 50s. A simple fact you choose to ignore mate. Why? Because it shows clearly that you are the aggressors?

And non of what I posted was from Wikipedia

Bullshit, you want Enosis, you want to silence the TC's, you invite thousands of troops in from Greece to give you a hand, even your own president had to escape, and we started the conflict?!

Piratis is living on an island called Cyprus which is located in the South West corner of Jupiter!

[Medman]

http://www.thelondondailynews.com/turkish-crimes-uncovered-mass-graves-cyprus-p-3248.html

Excerpt...

The revelations of the mass graves comes on the day when the vice chairman of the parliamentary group for the "Friend of Cyprus" Andrew Dismore Labour MP for Hendon, and chairman of parliament's human rights committee outlined how he was determined to pursue anyone who has committed war criminals and said in The Guardian:

"The UK must not be a safe haven for evil. The message to those who have perpetrated the most heinous crime imaginable must be clear: they are not welcome here, not to visit, not to live, not to holiday, shop or get medical treatment. The UK should close these loopholes in the law. We also need to establish a specialist war crime unit".

The London Daily News has been made aware of London based Cypriot organisations preparing law suits against the Turkish government for war crimes that may implicate London based Turkish diplomats and citizens who have been accused of complicity in war crimes during the 1974 invasion of Cyprus. There are around 3,000 Greek-Cypriots living in the Hendon constituency of Andrew Dismore; which may according to senior sources in the Greek-Cypriot community provide enough justification to pressure the British parliamentary human rights committee to pursue Turks in the UK involved in war crimes in Cyprus in 1974.

A dossier of the information will be submitted, according to a senior Greek-Cypriot source, to the parliamentary human’s right committee for review on UK based Turks who were involved in war crimes in 1974.

The Brits as usual sitting on the fence and have never obviously committed war crimes. The warship General Belgrano comes to mind in the Falklands conflict. Funny! Next thing you know the Greeks did nothing wrong as well. Will this M.P. put this on his expenses claims me wonders?

[Medman]

"thanks to those Greek Cypriots who stood up the National Guard and Greek Officers who told them they would be killed also if they defended the Turks. "

Obviously SOME GCs stood up to the fascists in the 60s and almost all of them fought back in 1974. Where are the patriotic TCs to stand up to the methodical and systematic erasure of TCs going on in the north? The voices that oppose the turkification of the north are very few and are just voices, nothing more.

However Nikitas my grandparents were forced to leave in 64 and in the long run it killed them. Now in Lefkara there is a museum to show what happened post 1974. When a family friend asked why is there no mention of the TC's in the village, the museum curator states we don't like to talk about those things. Ah the new generation eh!

[shahmaran]

Well according to you, 500 years later we were still after more?! More of what?!

Whatever anyways, I am not expecting any logical answers from you, never did, so you are welcome to "fight" as long as you want, just remember that we will be here and we will not settle for anything less then what is our right and what was agreed up on mutually before you blew it all!

So good luck to you too...

You are after for more gains on our expense than what was given to you by the foreign imperialists in 1960 as an award for attacking the GCs and helping them to defeat the Cypriot revolution and maintain their troops and control over our island.

What is your right is your individual human rights as Cypriot citizens and any other rights that minority ethnic groups receive in every other democratic country. If you think those rights are not enough and you want more then give the same to the Greek minority in Turkey. Your rights are not what is granted to you on our expense by foreign imperialists.

Again more rubbish, we were here 100s of years before the Imperialists and as equals.

That is our right, not some petty post-war offerings, thanks but no thanks...

[Piratis]

Piratis didn't Markarios state that it was the Greeks desire for Enosis which destroyed Cyprus. Blaming the Turks for what happened makes out EOKA and EOKA 'B' were just defending their interests namely joining Cyprus with Greece. Markarios knew this and was nearly killed for it. I lost family well before 1974 because of the troubles and they didn't have a nationalistic bone in their bodies. Ethnically cleansed out of Lefkara in 1964 and thanks to those Greek Cypriots who stood up the National Guard and Greek Officers who told them they would be killed also if they defended the Turks. I don't need Wikipedia to tell me what happened on the island thank you very much!

What 1964? The conflict was started by the TCs in the 50s. A simple fact you choose to ignore mate. Why? Because it shows clearly that you are the aggressors?

And non of what I posted was from Wikipedia

Bullshit, you want Enosis, you want to silence the TC's, you invite thousands of troops in from Greece to give you a hand, even your own president had to escape, and we started the conflict?!

Piratis is living on an island called Cyprus which is located in the South West corner of Jupiter!

We wanted our self-determination and freedom, and we had the right to unite our island with whomever we democratically choose. We fought against the British Colonialists and not against you. (until you attacked us and started to demand ouor annihilation from half of our island). How could it be OK for Cyprus to be under Ottoman or British rule against the will of the Cypriot people and with Cypriots mere subjects of those empires, but not OK for Cyprus to be part of a Republic were Cypriots democratically chose to belong and were Cypriots would be equal citizens?

The UN Resolution about decolonization clearly defines "integration into an independent State" as one of the three "legitimate options of full self-government. ".
http://www.un.org/Depts/dpi/decolonizat ... ration.htm

We asked for nothing that was not our right. But you attacked us and you started the conflict. If you had accepted the right of the Cypriot people to peacefully and democratically decide the destiny of their own island then there would be no conflict or any of the things that were created later due to the conflict which you started with the aim to yet again prevent Cyprus from being free and have gains on our expense.