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[shahmaran]

Oh HAHA....great response. Shame you couldn't deal with the reality that your leadership says you are Turks. Well done Turkish Cypriot leaders - you got it right for once.

We are Turkish Cypriots you moron, what are you implying at?

Do you even know?!

[Dr J]

NO YOUR NOT - YOUR TURKS OF CYPRUS HAHA

YOUR MOTHERLAND IS TURKEY...dont blame me blame your leaders Eroglu and Talat

[Piratis]

So, between 1955 and 1960 the GCs did absolutely nothing. Just took it.

The GCs were already fighting against the British. The TC minority on the island was not a problem for us. They became a problem when they started to collaborate with the colonialists, but even then EOKA didn't want to start a second front and avoided a conflict with the TC community. But when the TCs started the riots destroying the properties of innocent GCs, and massacring GCs, then EOKA retaliated.

The whole conflict was designed by the UK and Turkey and it was part of their divide and rule plan and the eventual partition of Cyprus, something which was also planed from the 50s.

This article talks about that era, end especially the role of the British
http://www.lrb.co.uk/v30/n08/ande01_.html

Bullshit!

What are you on about, the document you put forward states that the TC's were fighting against the British at some point and a few of them died doing so.

So please explain to me how that is considered as "helping the British" ?

So, the TC's revolt against the British along with you and in return they should shut up and be a part of your Enosis dream?!

Sounds like the kind of logic Pissartist here would support, twisted and rotten!

The whole TC revolt was against Enosis which you started, and they had every right to do so!

So finally you do admit that the TCs attacked the GCs but you call it "TC revolt against Enosis".

As I said before:

Enosis was our right. Her is another "useless" for you document, a UN Resolution about the granting of independence to Colonial territories which clearly defines "integration into an independent State" as one of the "three legitimate options of full self-government".
http://www.un.org/Depts/dpi/decolonizat ... ration.htm

But we wouldn't have to start any Enosis struggle if you had allowed our freedom in the first place:

During the Greek War of Independence in 1821, the Ottoman authorities feared that Greek Cypriots would rebel again. Archbishop Kyprianos, a powerful leader who worked to improve the education of Greek Cypriot children, was accused of plotting against the government. Kyprianos, his bishops, and hundreds of priests and important laymen were arrested and summarily hanged or decapitated on July 9, 1821.

What do you call the above? The Ottoman "revolt" against the Freedom of Greeks? If you had allowed Cyprus to be free from back then, Cyprus would be part of the initial Greek Republic, and there wouldn't be any need for Enosis (union).

In the 1950s, just 8 decades after your brutal rule was over, you again attacked us, again with the aim to deny from Cypriots their right to peacefully and democratically decide the destiny of their own island, just like you did in 1821. At the same time you started calling for the annihilation of the majority of Cypriots from half of their island, a plan that you put into action in 1974, and which you are trying to legalize until today. And no. You had absolutely no right to do any of those things. Collaborating with foreign imperialists and attacking the majority of the native people in order to undemocratically impose your will is not called a "revolt"


P.S
You were helping the British defeat the Cypriot revolution and this is obvious from your actions. In the video I posted you can see Dektash himself saying that both Turks and British wanted to defeat us so they collaborated. The problem of TCs with the British was that they wanted the British to immediately implement the partition plan and annihilate GCs from half of Cyprus. The demonstration of TCs was a demand for partition! And just so you know, those 7 TCs that were killed by the British were added in the "Martyrs" TC list as victims of the inter-communal conflict.

[shahmaran]

NO YOUR NOT - YOUR TURKS OF CYPRUS HAHA

YOUR MOTHERLAND IS TURKEY...dont blame me blame your leaders Eroglu and Talat

How can I possibly blame you for being raised as a deranged spastic little turd

It is not your fault Dr. J, you are just a byproduct from a profoundly sick section of the society.

[Piratis]

You have not proven anything Piratis, you just continue to provide dodgy sources, which is what I am pointing out, that is all.

I have never claimed the conflicts started in the 60's, don't put words into my mouth, in fact I am absolutely sure I was claiming it started much earlier when we had the whole population debate.

I insisted that it started long before and that huge amounts people had already immigrated by the 60s.

Can you tell me where you got this job Piratis, maybe I can get paid as well, considering I spend so much time thrashing propaganda attempts

This is a dodgy source?
http://hansard.millbanksystems.com/comm ... /10/cyprus

And this also, which is the photocopy of the report posted by a TC?
http://www.stwing.upenn.edu/~durduran/h ... onyeli.pdf

And in this video maybe is not Rouf Dektash himself talking about the riots of the 7th of July 1958:




Anyway, keep denying the facts. You know that denying the facts is the only way to hide the truth. So anybody interested for the truth can make his own research and confirm what I said about the events in the 50s and the fact that TCs started the conflict back then. You go an denying it if you want, I couldn't care less.

[shahmaran]

So, between 1955 and 1960 the GCs did absolutely nothing. Just took it.

The GCs were already fighting against the British. The TC minority on the island was not a problem for us. They became a problem when they started to collaborate with the colonialists, but even then EOKA didn't want to start a second front and avoided a conflict with the TC community. But when the TCs started the riots destroying the properties of innocent GCs, and massacring GCs, then EOKA retaliated.

The whole conflict was designed by the UK and Turkey and it was part of their divide and rule plan and the eventual partition of Cyprus, something which was also planed from the 50s.

This article talks about that era, end especially the role of the British
http://www.lrb.co.uk/v30/n08/ande01_.html

Bullshit!

What are you on about, the document you put forward states that the TC's were fighting against the British at some point and a few of them died doing so.

So please explain to me how that is considered as "helping the British" ?

So, the TC's revolt against the British along with you and in return they should shut up and be a part of your Enosis dream?!

Sounds like the kind of logic Pissartist here would support, twisted and rotten!

The whole TC revolt was against Enosis which you started, and they had every right to do so!

So finally you do admit that the TCs attacked the GCs but you call it "TC revolt against Enosis".

As I said before:

Enosis was our right. Her is another "useless" for you document, a UN Resolution about the granting of independence to Colonial territories which clearly defines "integration into an independent State" as one of the "three legitimate options of full self-government".
http://www.un.org/Depts/dpi/decolonizat ... ration.htm

But we wouldn't have to start any Enosis struggle if you had allowed our freedom in the first place:

During the Greek War of Independence in 1821, the Ottoman authorities feared that Greek Cypriots would rebel again. Archbishop Kyprianos, a powerful leader who worked to improve the education of Greek Cypriot children, was accused of plotting against the government. Kyprianos, his bishops, and hundreds of priests and important laymen were arrested and summarily hanged or decapitated on July 9, 1821.

What do you call the above? The Ottoman "revolt" against the Freedom of Greeks? If you had allowed Cyprus to be free from back then, Cyprus would be part of the initial Greek Republic, and there wouldn't be any need for Enosis (union).

In the 1950s, just 8 decades after your brutal rule was over, you again attacked us, again with the aim to deny from Cypriots their right to peacefully and democratically decide the destiny of their own island, just like you did in 1821. At the same time you started calling for the annihilation of the majority of Cypriots from half of their island, a plan that you put into action in 1974, and which you are trying to legalize until today. And no. You had absolutely no right to do any of those things. Collaborating with foreign imperialists and attacking the majority of the native people in order to undemocratically impose your will is not called a "revolt"


P.S
You were helping the British defeat the Cypriot revolution and this is obvious from your actions. In the video I posted you can see Dektash himself saying that both Turks and British wanted to defeat us so they collaborated. The problem of TCs with the British was that they wanted the British to immediately implement the partition plan and annihilate GCs from half of Cyprus. The demonstration of TCs was a demand for partition! And just so you know, those 7 TCs that were killed by the British were added in the "Martyrs" TC list as victims of the inter-communal conflict.

I have not once claimed that the TC's had not committed any crimes against you. You are doing it again, trying to fit me into this box you are stuck with.

Basically this is what it boils down to, you always viewed us as the unwanted foreign invaders who does not have the right to have any say over the fate of the island, am I correct?!

So in your eyes, we had no excuse to revolt against Enosis or to the changes in the constitution that would take our powers and so we are to blame for everything that came from then onwards, since we were guilty for simply being here in the first place, which was 500 years ago.

Well no shit Piratis, as long as you base your argument on this crap, there is no point in debating anything with you my friend.

You are living in Cyprus but in lalaland as they say

But let me point one thing out that in reality no one bases any argument on the above extreme and fascist view of the world and no political strategy based up on this view is likely to have a positive outcome.

We were equal partners, you had signed an agreement giving us right in the government and you fucked it, you did not only fuck that but you also wanted union with Greece.

So you have no face to say that we started the violence as the violence was the outcome of such fascistic and selfish actions in the first place.

Are you surprised that we are where we are? I hope not!

Do you still believe that such ideologies still have a place for the peace, freedom and independence of this island? You probably do, being a selective amnesiac.

Can you see that they do not work and that seriously undermining and hoping to oppress a certain ethnic section of your population causes nothing but division? Probably not but who cares, the people who are worthy enough do so, and that is all I care.

Changing the views of a single ancient fascist over the Internet is not what I am here for and I believe I have given way too much thought over your views than they actually deserve.

But who am I kidding....

ps. What is wrong with labeling the people killed by the British as Martyrs of the inter-communal violence?

[shahmaran]

You have not proven anything Piratis, you just continue to provide dodgy sources, which is what I am pointing out, that is all.

I have never claimed the conflicts started in the 60's, don't put words into my mouth, in fact I am absolutely sure I was claiming it started much earlier when we had the whole population debate.

I insisted that it started long before and that huge amounts people had already immigrated by the 60s.

Can you tell me where you got this job Piratis, maybe I can get paid as well, considering I spend so much time thrashing propaganda attempts

This is a dodgy source?
http://hansard.millbanksystems.com/comm ... /10/cyprus

And this also, which is the photocopy of the report posted by a TC?
http://www.stwing.upenn.edu/~durduran/h ... onyeli.pdf

And in this video maybe is not Rouf Dektash himself talking about the riots of the 7th of July 1958:




Anyway, keep denying the facts. You know that denying the facts is the only way to hide the truth. So anybody interested for the truth can make his own research and confirm what I said about the events in the 50s and the fact that TCs started the conflict back then. You go an denying it if you want, I couldn't care less.

Sure, anyone can go do a research amongst the rich and lush jungles of Greek propaganda.

But why don't you care Piratis?

I thought this is what you get paid for?!

So all it takes to split a happily coexisting people is a fake bomb?!

Is this what you are claiming!?

[Dr J]

How can I possibly blame you for being raised as a deranged spastic little turd

It is not your fault Dr. J, you are just a byproduct from a profoundly sick section of the society.

..but your still a Turk and Turkey is your motherland. Talat said so

[Piratis]

So, between 1955 and 1960 the GCs did absolutely nothing. Just took it.

The GCs were already fighting against the British. The TC minority on the island was not a problem for us. They became a problem when they started to collaborate with the colonialists, but even then EOKA didn't want to start a second front and avoided a conflict with the TC community. But when the TCs started the riots destroying the properties of innocent GCs, and massacring GCs, then EOKA retaliated.

The whole conflict was designed by the UK and Turkey and it was part of their divide and rule plan and the eventual partition of Cyprus, something which was also planed from the 50s.

This article talks about that era, end especially the role of the British
http://www.lrb.co.uk/v30/n08/ande01_.html

Bullshit!

What are you on about, the document you put forward states that the TC's were fighting against the British at some point and a few of them died doing so.

So please explain to me how that is considered as "helping the British" ?

So, the TC's revolt against the British along with you and in return they should shut up and be a part of your Enosis dream?!

Sounds like the kind of logic Pissartist here would support, twisted and rotten!

The whole TC revolt was against Enosis which you started, and they had every right to do so!

So finally you do admit that the TCs attacked the GCs but you call it "TC revolt against Enosis".

As I said before:

Enosis was our right. Her is another "useless" for you document, a UN Resolution about the granting of independence to Colonial territories which clearly defines "integration into an independent State" as one of the "three legitimate options of full self-government".
http://www.un.org/Depts/dpi/decolonizat ... ration.htm

But we wouldn't have to start any Enosis struggle if you had allowed our freedom in the first place:

During the Greek War of Independence in 1821, the Ottoman authorities feared that Greek Cypriots would rebel again. Archbishop Kyprianos, a powerful leader who worked to improve the education of Greek Cypriot children, was accused of plotting against the government. Kyprianos, his bishops, and hundreds of priests and important laymen were arrested and summarily hanged or decapitated on July 9, 1821.

What do you call the above? The Ottoman "revolt" against the Freedom of Greeks? If you had allowed Cyprus to be free from back then, Cyprus would be part of the initial Greek Republic, and there wouldn't be any need for Enosis (union).

In the 1950s, just 8 decades after your brutal rule was over, you again attacked us, again with the aim to deny from Cypriots their right to peacefully and democratically decide the destiny of their own island, just like you did in 1821. At the same time you started calling for the annihilation of the majority of Cypriots from half of their island, a plan that you put into action in 1974, and which you are trying to legalize until today. And no. You had absolutely no right to do any of those things. Collaborating with foreign imperialists and attacking the majority of the native people in order to undemocratically impose your will is not called a "revolt"


P.S
You were helping the British defeat the Cypriot revolution and this is obvious from your actions. In the video I posted you can see Dektash himself saying that both Turks and British wanted to defeat us so they collaborated. The problem of TCs with the British was that they wanted the British to immediately implement the partition plan and annihilate GCs from half of Cyprus. The demonstration of TCs was a demand for partition! And just so you know, those 7 TCs that were killed by the British were added in the "Martyrs" TC list as victims of the inter-communal conflict.

I have not once claimed that the TC's had not committed any crimes against you. You are doing it again, trying to fit me into this box you are stuck with.

Basically this is what it boils down to, you always viewed us as the unwanted foreign invaders who does not have the right to have any say over the fate of the island, am I correct?!

So in your eyes, we had no excuse to revolt against Enosis or to the changes in the constitution that would take our powers and so we are to blame for everything that came from then onwards, since we were guilty for simply being here in the first place, which was 500 years ago.

Well no shit Piratis, as long as you base your argument on this crap, there is no point in debating anything with you my friend.

You are living in Cyprus but in lalaland as they say

But let me point one thing out that in reality no one bases any argument on the above extreme and fascist view of the world and no political strategy based up on this view is likely to have a positive outcome.

We were equal partners, you had signed an agreement giving us right in the government and you fucked it, you did not only fuck that but you also wanted union with Greece.

So you have no face to say that we started the violence as the violence was the outcome of such fascistic and selfish actions in the first place.

Are you surprised that we are where we are? I hope not!

Do you still believe that such ideologies still have a place for the peace, freedom and independence of this island? You probably do, being a selective amnesiac.

Can you see that they do not work and that seriously undermining and hoping to oppress a certain ethnic section of your population causes nothing but division? Probably not but who cares, the people who are worthy enough do so, and that is all I care.

Changing the views of a single ancient fascist over the Internet is not what I am here for and I believe I have given way too much thought over your views than they actually deserve.

But who am I kidding....

ps. What is wrong with labeling the people killed by the British as Martyrs of the inter-communal violence?

You are again not replying to any of my arguments. You create imaginary "Piratis arguments", and you are defeating those, since you can not defeat any of the real ones Since you quoted my post above, you should have tried to reply to what I posted, but obviously you couldn't. Also you repeat things (e.g. the TC "revolt") which are clearly answered by me there.

We view you for what you are: Equal Cypriots and members of an ethnic minority who can have the same rights as any other ethnic minority in any other country. Say Greeks in Turkey.

What it boils down to is that you collaborate with foreign Imperialists in order to gain on our expense way more than what proportionately belongs to your 18% minority. You started the conflict because of this and you continue in the say way until today.

If you accepted the right of the Cypriot people to democratically and peacefully decide the destiny of their own island, instead of attacking us, there would be no conflicts and no casualties.

You have been shown to be a racist fascist who supports things like ethnic cleansing, racist discrimination, and segregation. Your accusations against me are nothing but empty baseless words since you are unable to justify them.

What is wrong about labeling people who were killed by the British as Martyrs of the inter-communal conflict is that is factually wrong, and it is one of the many ways you use to inflate the casualties for which you blame GCs.

[Piratis]

You have not proven anything Piratis, you just continue to provide dodgy sources, which is what I am pointing out, that is all.

I have never claimed the conflicts started in the 60's, don't put words into my mouth, in fact I am absolutely sure I was claiming it started much earlier when we had the whole population debate.

I insisted that it started long before and that huge amounts people had already immigrated by the 60s.

Can you tell me where you got this job Piratis, maybe I can get paid as well, considering I spend so much time thrashing propaganda attempts

This is a dodgy source?
http://hansard.millbanksystems.com/comm ... /10/cyprus

And this also, which is the photocopy of the report posted by a TC?
http://www.stwing.upenn.edu/~durduran/h ... onyeli.pdf

And in this video maybe is not Rouf Dektash himself talking about the riots of the 7th of July 1958:




Anyway, keep denying the facts. You know that denying the facts is the only way to hide the truth. So anybody interested for the truth can make his own research and confirm what I said about the events in the 50s and the fact that TCs started the conflict back then. You go an denying it if you want, I couldn't care less.

Sure, anyone can go do a research amongst the rich and lush jungles of Greek propaganda.

But why don't you care Piratis?

I thought this is what you get paid for?!

So all it takes to split a happily coexisting people is a fake bomb?!

Is this what you are claiming!?

What I posted is "GC propaganda"?

You are self-defeating. I don't need to add anything.