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[Paphitis]

How can these be arranged when it would require an agreement between the country of destination and the authorities at the airport in Cyprus,which are not internationally recognised?The new federal government which will control all ports and airports in Cyprus as E.U. entry points has not yet even been agreed on,let alone formed ....Who would be responsible for customs and immigration etc?Denktash and Vasiliou tried to reach a deal on Nicosia Airport/Varosha for years but it failed because of the reasons I have just explained.
Unless of course,Turkey is really aiming for a confederation with two separate administrations for these things,in which case it would not be a federation at all!But they keep re-assuring us they want a federation and this is what the Greek and Turkish Cypriots have accepted too!

Who runs the Gc airport in the south? the Gcs. The Tc airport in the north will of course be run by the Tcs unless you can agree that we run them all jointly.

For what reason would they want to share? They will run theirs and we will run ours. Of course we will make TC interpreters available for those who are linguistically challenged in all the Cypriot languages.

All Airports MUST be under the jurisdiction of the Central (Federal Government ) if such a solution ever materializes, in accordance with the Chicago Convention or ICAO. The Chicago Convention does not accept individual states within a Federation and will only accept one single Federal Aviation body responsible for Aviation Law, running airports and licensing.

There is no other choice but to share the running of Federally Controlled Airports and the Aviation Regulatory body that is recognised by ICAO.

The same rules apply to FIR and natuional airspace.

[YFred]

How can these be arranged when it would require an agreement between the country of destination and the authorities at the airport in Cyprus,which are not internationally recognised?The new federal government which will control all ports and airports in Cyprus as E.U. entry points has not yet even been agreed on,let alone formed ....Who would be responsible for customs and immigration etc?Denktash and Vasiliou tried to reach a deal on Nicosia Airport/Varosha for years but it failed because of the reasons I have just explained.
Unless of course,Turkey is really aiming for a confederation with two separate administrations for these things,in which case it would not be a federation at all!But they keep re-assuring us they want a federation and this is what the Greek and Turkish Cypriots have accepted too!

Who runs the Gc airport in the south? the Gcs. The Tc airport in the north will of course be run by the Tcs unless you can agree that we run them all jointly.

For what reason would they want to share? They will run theirs and we will run ours. Of course we will make TC interpreters available for those who are linguistically challenged in all the Cypriot languages.

All Airports MUST be under the jurisdiction of the Central (Federal Government ) if such a solution ever materializes, in accordance with the Chicago Convention or ICAO. The Chicago Convention does not accept individual states within a Federation and will only accept one single federal Aviation body responsible for Aviation Law, running airports and licensing.

There is no other choice but to share the running of Federally Controlled Airports and the Aviation Regulatory body that is recognised by ICAO.

The same rules apply to FIR and natuional airspace.

I don't disagree with you. Of course the Regulatory body will be run along the lines of the rest of RoC. With top level 50/50. You can do what you like and so will we.

[Paphitis]

How can these be arranged when it would require an agreement between the country of destination and the authorities at the airport in Cyprus,which are not internationally recognised?The new federal government which will control all ports and airports in Cyprus as E.U. entry points has not yet even been agreed on,let alone formed ....Who would be responsible for customs and immigration etc?Denktash and Vasiliou tried to reach a deal on Nicosia Airport/Varosha for years but it failed because of the reasons I have just explained.
Unless of course,Turkey is really aiming for a confederation with two separate administrations for these things,in which case it would not be a federation at all!But they keep re-assuring us they want a federation and this is what the Greek and Turkish Cypriots have accepted too!

Who runs the Gc airport in the south? the Gcs. The Tc airport in the north will of course be run by the Tcs unless you can agree that we run them all jointly.

For what reason would they want to share? They will run theirs and we will run ours. Of course we will make TC interpreters available for those who are linguistically challenged in all the Cypriot languages.

All Airports MUST be under the jurisdiction of the Central (Federal Government ) if such a solution ever materializes, in accordance with the Chicago Convention or ICAO. The Chicago Convention does not accept individual states within a Federation and will only accept one single federal Aviation body responsible for Aviation Law, running airports and licensing.

There is no other choice but to share the running of Federally Controlled Airports and the Aviation Regulatory body that is recognised by ICAO.

The same rules apply to FIR and natuional airspace.

I don't disagree with you. Of course the Regulatory body will be run along the lines of the rest of RoC. With top level 50/50. You can do what you like and so will we.

Sorry, but aviation safety is serious business and only the most qualified man or woman can get the job. Jobs will not be allocated on racial grounds as this tends to make a mockery of Aviation Safety.

[YFred]

How can these be arranged when it would require an agreement between the country of destination and the authorities at the airport in Cyprus,which are not internationally recognised?The new federal government which will control all ports and airports in Cyprus as E.U. entry points has not yet even been agreed on,let alone formed ....Who would be responsible for customs and immigration etc?Denktash and Vasiliou tried to reach a deal on Nicosia Airport/Varosha for years but it failed because of the reasons I have just explained.
Unless of course,Turkey is really aiming for a confederation with two separate administrations for these things,in which case it would not be a federation at all!But they keep re-assuring us they want a federation and this is what the Greek and Turkish Cypriots have accepted too!

Who runs the Gc airport in the south? the Gcs. The Tc airport in the north will of course be run by the Tcs unless you can agree that we run them all jointly.

For what reason would they want to share? They will run theirs and we will run ours. Of course we will make TC interpreters available for those who are linguistically challenged in all the Cypriot languages.

All Airports MUST be under the jurisdiction of the Central (Federal Government ) if such a solution ever materializes, in accordance with the Chicago Convention or ICAO. The Chicago Convention does not accept individual states within a Federation and will only accept one single federal Aviation body responsible for Aviation Law, running airports and licensing.

There is no other choice but to share the running of Federally Controlled Airports and the Aviation Regulatory body that is recognised by ICAO.

The same rules apply to FIR and natuional airspace.

I don't disagree with you. Of course the Regulatory body will be run along the lines of the rest of RoC. With top level 50/50. You can do what you like and so will we.

Sorry, but aviation safety is serious business and only the most qualified man or woman can get the job. Jobs will not be allocated on racial grounds as this tends to make a mockery of Aviation Safety.

Don't worry about that old boy, we have plenty of personnel for safety, we have been flying planes out of ercan for some time.
I can read your mind, you will use safety to block flights to the north. The north's safety has been checked by the EU officials and has been found to be same level as EU.
They even check the visitors going in. Unheard of in any other airport.

[Paphitis]

How can these be arranged when it would require an agreement between the country of destination and the authorities at the airport in Cyprus,which are not internationally recognised?The new federal government which will control all ports and airports in Cyprus as E.U. entry points has not yet even been agreed on,let alone formed ....Who would be responsible for customs and immigration etc?Denktash and Vasiliou tried to reach a deal on Nicosia Airport/Varosha for years but it failed because of the reasons I have just explained.
Unless of course,Turkey is really aiming for a confederation with two separate administrations for these things,in which case it would not be a federation at all!But they keep re-assuring us they want a federation and this is what the Greek and Turkish Cypriots have accepted too!

Who runs the Gc airport in the south? the Gcs. The Tc airport in the north will of course be run by the Tcs unless you can agree that we run them all jointly.

For what reason would they want to share? They will run theirs and we will run ours. Of course we will make TC interpreters available for those who are linguistically challenged in all the Cypriot languages.

All Airports MUST be under the jurisdiction of the Central (Federal Government ) if such a solution ever materializes, in accordance with the Chicago Convention or ICAO. The Chicago Convention does not accept individual states within a Federation and will only accept one single federal Aviation body responsible for Aviation Law, running airports and licensing.

There is no other choice but to share the running of Federally Controlled Airports and the Aviation Regulatory body that is recognised by ICAO.

The same rules apply to FIR and natuional airspace.

I don't disagree with you. Of course the Regulatory body will be run along the lines of the rest of RoC. With top level 50/50. You can do what you like and so will we.

Sorry, but aviation safety is serious business and only the most qualified man or woman can get the job. Jobs will not be allocated on racial grounds as this tends to make a mockery of Aviation Safety.

Don't worry about that old boy, we have plenty of personnel for safety, we have been flying planes out of ercan for some time.
I can read your mind, you will use safety to block flights to the north. The north's safety has been checked by the EU officials and has been found to be same level as EU.
They even check the visitors going in. Unheard of in any other airport.

I don't think Cyprus needs a third International Airport. It already has 2 and the TCs can have a fair stake in these.

But in any case, there can be a third airport in the north only if it reverts back to ICAO recognised RoC jurisdiction. As an airport under RoC jurisdiction, it will be the RoC's responsibility to run it in accordance with International Law and that it meets all relevant safety standards which are audited by ICAO every year.

Turkey has one of the worst safety records in the world, so this does does not inspire us. The only reason why you have not had a major air crash in the "trnc" is because you only have a mind boggling 3 flights a day....and we still refer to ERCAN Control as CHAOS CORNER....

[YFred]

How can these be arranged when it would require an agreement between the country of destination and the authorities at the airport in Cyprus,which are not internationally recognised?The new federal government which will control all ports and airports in Cyprus as E.U. entry points has not yet even been agreed on,let alone formed ....Who would be responsible for customs and immigration etc?Denktash and Vasiliou tried to reach a deal on Nicosia Airport/Varosha for years but it failed because of the reasons I have just explained.
Unless of course,Turkey is really aiming for a confederation with two separate administrations for these things,in which case it would not be a federation at all!But they keep re-assuring us they want a federation and this is what the Greek and Turkish Cypriots have accepted too!

Who runs the Gc airport in the south? the Gcs. The Tc airport in the north will of course be run by the Tcs unless you can agree that we run them all jointly.

For what reason would they want to share? They will run theirs and we will run ours. Of course we will make TC interpreters available for those who are linguistically challenged in all the Cypriot languages.

All Airports MUST be under the jurisdiction of the Central (Federal Government ) if such a solution ever materializes, in accordance with the Chicago Convention or ICAO. The Chicago Convention does not accept individual states within a Federation and will only accept one single federal Aviation body responsible for Aviation Law, running airports and licensing.

There is no other choice but to share the running of Federally Controlled Airports and the Aviation Regulatory body that is recognised by ICAO.

The same rules apply to FIR and natuional airspace.

I don't disagree with you. Of course the Regulatory body will be run along the lines of the rest of RoC. With top level 50/50. You can do what you like and so will we.

Sorry, but aviation safety is serious business and only the most qualified man or woman can get the job. Jobs will not be allocated on racial grounds as this tends to make a mockery of Aviation Safety.

Don't worry about that old boy, we have plenty of personnel for safety, we have been flying planes out of ercan for some time.
I can read your mind, you will use safety to block flights to the north. The north's safety has been checked by the EU officials and has been found to be same level as EU.
They even check the visitors going in. Unheard of in any other airport.

I don't think Cyprus needs a third International Airport. It already has 2 and the TCs can have a fair stake in these.

But in any case, there can be a third airport in the north only if it reverts back to ICAO recognised RoC jurisdiction. As an airport under RoC jurisdiction, it will be the RoC's responsibility to run it in accordance with International Law and that it meets all relevant safety standards which are audited by ICAO every year.

Turkey has one of the worst safety records in the world, so this does does not inspire us. The only reason why you have not had a major air crash in the "trnc" is because you only have a mind boggling 3 flights a day....and we still refer to ERCAN Control as CHAOS CORNER....

Just as I thought. Of course we don't need the ones in the north
I can see that being the central point of the agreement . Dream on.

[Nikitas]

"For what reason would they want to share?"

If you get off your partitionist hobby horse the reasons for having one major airport on an island the size of Cyprus are many but I wil lmention two:

1- Environmental

2- Economies of scale

Naturally when you are in a partitionist warp these come second, but do ask a TC transportation engineer to explain the above before you spout nonsense about "theirs" and "ours". And while you are at it also ask about the logistics of container handling which mandate one major seaport too.

As for the 50-50 stuff, that is fine, provided that each side has people who can provide services up to the level required. Modern terminals do not do well in the hands of unqualified people, they lose business and ranking fast and then you end up having 50-50 of something worth shit.

Capisce paesan?

[Paphitis]

How can these be arranged when it would require an agreement between the country of destination and the authorities at the airport in Cyprus,which are not internationally recognised?The new federal government which will control all ports and airports in Cyprus as E.U. entry points has not yet even been agreed on,let alone formed ....Who would be responsible for customs and immigration etc?Denktash and Vasiliou tried to reach a deal on Nicosia Airport/Varosha for years but it failed because of the reasons I have just explained.
Unless of course,Turkey is really aiming for a confederation with two separate administrations for these things,in which case it would not be a federation at all!But they keep re-assuring us they want a federation and this is what the Greek and Turkish Cypriots have accepted too!

Who runs the Gc airport in the south? the Gcs. The Tc airport in the north will of course be run by the Tcs unless you can agree that we run them all jointly.

For what reason would they want to share? They will run theirs and we will run ours. Of course we will make TC interpreters available for those who are linguistically challenged in all the Cypriot languages.

All Airports MUST be under the jurisdiction of the Central (Federal Government ) if such a solution ever materializes, in accordance with the Chicago Convention or ICAO. The Chicago Convention does not accept individual states within a Federation and will only accept one single federal Aviation body responsible for Aviation Law, running airports and licensing.

There is no other choice but to share the running of Federally Controlled Airports and the Aviation Regulatory body that is recognised by ICAO.

The same rules apply to FIR and natuional airspace.

I don't disagree with you. Of course the Regulatory body will be run along the lines of the rest of RoC. With top level 50/50. You can do what you like and so will we.

Sorry, but aviation safety is serious business and only the most qualified man or woman can get the job. Jobs will not be allocated on racial grounds as this tends to make a mockery of Aviation Safety.

Don't worry about that old boy, we have plenty of personnel for safety, we have been flying planes out of ercan for some time.
I can read your mind, you will use safety to block flights to the north. The north's safety has been checked by the EU officials and has been found to be same level as EU.
They even check the visitors going in. Unheard of in any other airport.

I don't think Cyprus needs a third International Airport. It already has 2 and the TCs can have a fair stake in these.

But in any case, there can be a third airport in the north only if it reverts back to ICAO recognised RoC jurisdiction. As an airport under RoC jurisdiction, it will be the RoC's responsibility to run it in accordance with International Law and that it meets all relevant safety standards which are audited by ICAO every year.

Turkey has one of the worst safety records in the world, so this does does not inspire us. The only reason why you have not had a major air crash in the "trnc" is because you only have a mind boggling 3 flights a day....and we still refer to ERCAN Control as CHAOS CORNER....

Just as I thought. Of course we don't need the ones in the north
I can see that being the central point of the agreement . Dream on.

How long do you you think the RoC will be able to maintain and run 3 international airports on an island with a population of a mere 800,000 people?

Running airports is a very expensive excercise in terms of airport maintenance of facilities and equipment, and not to mention providing 3 control towers and all the relevant navaids, approach controllers and emergency services.

I did state that all Cypriots could have a share in the existing 2 airports, and if there is a third airport, this too will be fairly shared amongst all Cypriots and it will be under RoC jurisdiction.

But a third airport is just not viable long term for a country as small as Cyprus.

THE TURKS ARE MAKING A MOCKERY OF AVIATION SAFETY!

[Nikitas]

OK, you can have your airport, but the users, the paying clients will be able to choose the airport they will use for passengers and cargo. Can you live with the concept of free and open competition?

Will you allow TC merchants to use the cheapest and most efficient airport and seaport? Or will thugs knock on their doors at night and remind them of that Turk to Turk crap of the 1950s? Let competition be free and open, and then we will see who can operate efficiently and economically and gain customers and profits.

This is the concept that you cannot get past your partitionist mantra. That is how the Eu functions today, through healthy competition and less statism.

While you are analysing the above, check the turnaround times for container ships in Famagusta and Limassol ports and see which you would prefer to use if you were in business. IT will be an eyeopener for you.

[Kassander]

What's the problem if Eurocontrol will be made responsible for the security etc ?

http://www.eurocontrol.be/corporate/pub ... outus.html