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[Oracle]

Turkey is not European

By Ed West World Last updated: August 7th, 2009

But, all cant to the contrary, it is in no sense European. To argue that Turkey is European because it once conquered some Balkan nations is as absurd as arguing that Britain is part of India because they still play cricket ...

Aside from the Indo-European language group and the predominance of certain types of DNA, there is nothing that unites Europe except its religion and its shared history – Greece, Rome, the Renaissance and the Enlightenment.

But better to be honest about Europe’s identity and Turkey’s relationship with it, rather than offering them false hope and false history. That’s the best way to achieve the dream of the great man [Ataturk]: “Peace at Home, Peace in the World.”

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/edwes ... -european/



The sooner we realise Turkey has no place in Europe, the quicker we can mobilise kicking-them-out-of-Cyprus strategies!

[Medman]

And there it is from Oracle once again. Turks and Greeks are not that different young lady. Drum down on the propaganda bollocks please. We get it and we get you. Next thing you'll be going on about the Mongolians and Turks thing. Hmmmm I thought you were much more educated than that!

[Oracle]

And there it is from Oracle once again. Turks and Greeks are not that different young lady. Drum down on the propaganda bollocks please. We get it and we get you. Next thing you'll be going on about the Mongolians and Turks thing. Hmmmm I thought you were much more educated than that!

Perhaps it is your education which is suspect as you failed to grasp this is the "propaganda" from your "supporters", and from the most right-wing source possible. Perhaps the tide is turning for Turkey? The Brits, faced with one judgement after another against the Turks, are slowly realising they have been backing the wrong horse

And yes Greeks and Turks are VERY different .... inter alia the Greeks are European and the Turks are NOT!

[Sotos]

Aside from the Indo-European language group and the predominance of certain types of DNA, there is nothing that unites Europe except its religion and its shared history – Greece, Rome, the Renaissance and the Enlightenment.

Good point. What Turks have to do with any of the above? How can Turks be European? They are Central Asians and the ones who tried to destroy Europe.

[AWE]

careful what you wish for.

In the same, article it is argued that the UK should leave the EU and in fact the EU should turn into a free trade area not a political union.

Now as Turkey signed the Customs union in '95 if we were to go down the road of a Free Trade Area then Turkey would be in but without having the Copenhagen criteria so would not have to leave Cyprus, also, without political union, court judgements in one country are unlikely to be automatically enforceable in another FTA member state.

[Oracle]

In the same, article it is argued that the UK should leave the EU ....

Really? Kindly quote the passage which says that. If at one time Britain still entertained notions of leaving Europe ... it knows now, it would be cataclysmic if it did ....

[AWE]

"Having said that, I’m not a believer in a federal Europe anyway, but a confederal one along the lines of the old EFTA"

You right the UK is in, and to leave would be very difficult to say the least - I am not sure there is provision to do so in a number of EU treaties anyway.

[AWE]

did you read some of the comments?

[Oracle]

did you read some of the comments?

I don't know the affiliations of any of the commentators. It's the Telegraph article I found interesting.

Besides you said:

In the same, article it is argued that the UK should leave the EU ....

I asked:

Kindly quote the passage which says that.

You replied:

"Having said that, I’m not a believer in a federal Europe anyway, but a confederal one along the lines of the old EFTA"

I don't think that is sufficient to make your original claim.

Anyway ... Britain's European-ness was not under discussion, but Turkey's ...

... it is in no sense European.

[AWE]

did you read some of the comments?

I don't know the affiliations of any of the commentators. It's the Telegraph article I found interesting.

Besides you said:

In the same, article it is argued that the UK should leave the EU ....

I asked:

Kindly quote the passage which says that.

You replied:

"Having said that, I’m not a believer in a federal Europe anyway, but a confederal one along the lines of the old EFTA"

I don't think that is sufficient to make your original claim.

Anyway ... Britain's European-ness was not under discussion, but Turkey's ...

... it is in no sense European.

and my original point that be careful what you wish for - If Turkey is not in the EU or the EU is a FTA not a political union then she does not have to meet the Copenhagen Criteria and therefore TR troops are not likely to leave Cyprus.