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[Kikapu]

YFred be sure mate about our future . We all knowing what we are doing or what we are after . We can have some times interruptions ... doesn't water .... our way is open .
I trust our young generation YFred . They are very luck now they can get very easily every information. They have their own brains they can easily judge what is good what is bad for them . with forcing them to do things that they don't like , it will not help at all .They will direct their own destiny .we are lucky that more than 95 % of our boys and girls are graduated from universities .

So do I Halil. It's the young generation that will decide what to do in the future. But we can set them on a good course by having a good workable agreement that they can build on. So they can build a better future for themselves and the future generations.

You must be joking, surely.? What, with the present "corrupted society" you Fascist NeoPartitionist built for them where they do not know the difference between Right and Wrong, but only what they can get away with, because the TA will protect them no matter what they do, no matter whose Human Rights violations they will commit, on whose property they will build their lives on, not understanding the rules of True Democracy, Human Rights and International laws. You people have set the course for them to become outcasts of western society and values of Europe. The only difference the future generation will have than the present generation, is that they will have University diplomas from the north for what it's worth, which means you will have a somewhat "educated corrupt society". I can't wait to see how the generation after the next one will turn out, but if the past anything to go by, I would say not too well.!

Lets hope that all future "corrupted societies" in the north can be corrected now with a settlement soon based on True Democracy, Human Rights, International Laws and EU Principles. The only problem as I see, is that we have too many Fascist NeoPartitionist to allow such principles to become norm for Cyprus, in which case, I don't know why you would bother in sending your kids to Universities to become what exactly, smart Human Rights violators, or are you planning for them to move to other countries. The latter will probably be better for them, so that they can see how the west lives under True Democracy in a Fair and Just societies where they will be treated as equals with the citizens of the country they will call home from then on, since they will be powerless against the settlers who will have their own Anatolian style of Democracy, which will mean that your kids will not want to come back if they in fact embrace True Democracy, Human Rights, International Laws and EU principles while living abroad. I can’t say I would blame them really, which will be the fault of today’s generation for continuing to embrace “corrupted society” for yourselves.!

[Viewpoint]

Whats it to you Kikapu you are a diluted TC (claimed not proven) living abroad for most of your life take a chill pill and leave us alone.

[YFred]

YFred be sure mate about our future . We all knowing what we are doing or what we are after . We can have some times interruptions ... doesn't water .... our way is open .
I trust our young generation YFred . They are very luck now they can get very easily every information. They have their own brains they can easily judge what is good what is bad for them . with forcing them to do things that they don't like , it will not help at all .They will direct their own destiny .we are lucky that more than 95 % of our boys and girls are graduated from universities .

So do I Halil. It's the young generation that will decide what to do in the future. But we can set them on a good course by having a good workable agreement that they can build on. So they can build a better future for themselves and the future generations.

You must be joking, surely.? What, with the present "corrupted society" you Fascist NeoPartitionist built for them where they do not know the difference between Right and Wrong, but only what they can get away with, because the TA will protect them no matter what they do, no matter whose Human Rights violations they will commit, on whose property they will build their lives on, not understanding the rules of True Democracy, Human Rights and International laws. You people have set the course for them to become outcasts of western society and values of Europe. The only difference the future generation will have than the present generation, is that they will have University diplomas from the north for what it's worth, which means you will have a somewhat "educated corrupt society". I can't wait to see how the generation after the next one will turn out, but if the past anything to go by, I would say not too well.!

Lets hope that all future "corrupted societies" in the north can be corrected now with a settlement soon based on True Democracy, Human Rights, International Laws and EU Principles. The only problem as I see, is that we have too many Fascist NeoPartitionist to allow such principles to become norm for Cyprus, in which case, I don't know why you would bother in sending your kids to Universities to become what exactly, smart Human Rights violators, or are you planning for them to move to other countries. The latter will probably be better for them, so that they can see how the west lives under True Democracy in a Fair and Just societies where they will be treated as equals with the citizens of the country they will call home from then on, since they will be powerless against the settlers who will have their own Anatolian style of Democracy, which will mean that your kids will not want to come back if they in fact embrace True Democracy, Human Rights, International Laws and EU principles while living abroad. I can’t say I would blame them really, which will be the fault of today’s generation for continuing to embrace “corrupted society” for yourselves.!

After not solving this problem for 45 years, if you think you can solve it in one step, you continue to live in dream land. You missed the gist of my post. The solution will evolve with the new generation and they will determine the final agreement. In the meantime we will do what we can to take a step towards it.

[Kikapu]

Whats it to you Kikapu you are a diluted TC (claimed not proven) living abroad for most of your life take a chill pill and leave us alone.

Says the diluted Englishman from the UK who has ZERO connection to the north, since the "trnc" came to be after you were born in a foreign country. At least I was born on Cypriot soil to true Cypriot parents who they still see themselves as Cypriots. I’m part of Cyprus which no one can take it away from me, least of all a diluted Englishman like yourself..!

[Kikapu]

YFred be sure mate about our future . We all knowing what we are doing or what we are after . We can have some times interruptions ... doesn't water .... our way is open .
I trust our young generation YFred . They are very luck now they can get very easily every information. They have their own brains they can easily judge what is good what is bad for them . with forcing them to do things that they don't like , it will not help at all .They will direct their own destiny .we are lucky that more than 95 % of our boys and girls are graduated from universities .

So do I Halil. It's the young generation that will decide what to do in the future. But we can set them on a good course by having a good workable agreement that they can build on. So they can build a better future for themselves and the future generations.

You must be joking, surely.? What, with the present "corrupted society" you Fascist NeoPartitionist built for them where they do not know the difference between Right and Wrong, but only what they can get away with, because the TA will protect them no matter what they do, no matter whose Human Rights violations they will commit, on whose property they will build their lives on, not understanding the rules of True Democracy, Human Rights and International laws. You people have set the course for them to become outcasts of western society and values of Europe. The only difference the future generation will have than the present generation, is that they will have University diplomas from the north for what it's worth, which means you will have a somewhat "educated corrupt society". I can't wait to see how the generation after the next one will turn out, but if the past anything to go by, I would say not too well.!

Lets hope that all future "corrupted societies" in the north can be corrected now with a settlement soon based on True Democracy, Human Rights, International Laws and EU Principles. The only problem as I see, is that we have too many Fascist NeoPartitionist to allow such principles to become norm for Cyprus, in which case, I don't know why you would bother in sending your kids to Universities to become what exactly, smart Human Rights violators, or are you planning for them to move to other countries. The latter will probably be better for them, so that they can see how the west lives under True Democracy in a Fair and Just societies where they will be treated as equals with the citizens of the country they will call home from then on, since they will be powerless against the settlers who will have their own Anatolian style of Democracy, which will mean that your kids will not want to come back if they in fact embrace True Democracy, Human Rights, International Laws and EU principles while living abroad. I can’t say I would blame them really, which will be the fault of today’s generation for continuing to embrace “corrupted society” for yourselves.!

After not solving this problem for 45 years, if you think you can solve it in one step, you continue to live in dream land. You missed the gist of my post. The solution will evolve with the new generation and they will determine the final agreement. In the meantime we will do what we can to take a step towards it.

Listen YFred, a rotten apple does not drop too far from the tree it grows on, the fore you should not expect any better results from the future generation if the present one are setting them on a corrupted course. If the tree is rotten, why wouldn't the fruit it produces.? Surely that is not too difficult to understand, is it.?

[YFred]

YFred be sure mate about our future . We all knowing what we are doing or what we are after . We can have some times interruptions ... doesn't water .... our way is open .
I trust our young generation YFred . They are very luck now they can get very easily every information. They have their own brains they can easily judge what is good what is bad for them . with forcing them to do things that they don't like , it will not help at all .They will direct their own destiny .we are lucky that more than 95 % of our boys and girls are graduated from universities .

So do I Halil. It's the young generation that will decide what to do in the future. But we can set them on a good course by having a good workable agreement that they can build on. So they can build a better future for themselves and the future generations.

You must be joking, surely.? What, with the present "corrupted society" you Fascist NeoPartitionist built for them where they do not know the difference between Right and Wrong, but only what they can get away with, because the TA will protect them no matter what they do, no matter whose Human Rights violations they will commit, on whose property they will build their lives on, not understanding the rules of True Democracy, Human Rights and International laws. You people have set the course for them to become outcasts of western society and values of Europe. The only difference the future generation will have than the present generation, is that they will have University diplomas from the north for what it's worth, which means you will have a somewhat "educated corrupt society". I can't wait to see how the generation after the next one will turn out, but if the past anything to go by, I would say not too well.!

Lets hope that all future "corrupted societies" in the north can be corrected now with a settlement soon based on True Democracy, Human Rights, International Laws and EU Principles. The only problem as I see, is that we have too many Fascist NeoPartitionist to allow such principles to become norm for Cyprus, in which case, I don't know why you would bother in sending your kids to Universities to become what exactly, smart Human Rights violators, or are you planning for them to move to other countries. The latter will probably be better for them, so that they can see how the west lives under True Democracy in a Fair and Just societies where they will be treated as equals with the citizens of the country they will call home from then on, since they will be powerless against the settlers who will have their own Anatolian style of Democracy, which will mean that your kids will not want to come back if they in fact embrace True Democracy, Human Rights, International Laws and EU principles while living abroad. I can’t say I would blame them really, which will be the fault of today’s generation for continuing to embrace “corrupted society” for yourselves.!

After not solving this problem for 45 years, if you think you can solve it in one step, you continue to live in dream land. You missed the gist of my post. The solution will evolve with the new generation and they will determine the final agreement. In the meantime we will do what we can to take a step towards it.

Listen YFred, a rotten apple does not drop too far from the tree it grows on, the fore you should not expect any better results from the future generation if the present one are setting them on a corrupted course. If the tree is rotten, why wouldn't the fruit it produces.? Surely that is not too difficult to understand, is it.?

The rotten apple will still produce a healthy apple seed and a healthy apple tree will grow from it. The apple is rotten because of disease, it is not inherent. Change the environment and then you will be surprised at the next generation.

[Kikapu]

YFred be sure mate about our future . We all knowing what we are doing or what we are after . We can have some times interruptions ... doesn't water .... our way is open .
I trust our young generation YFred . They are very luck now they can get very easily every information. They have their own brains they can easily judge what is good what is bad for them . with forcing them to do things that they don't like , it will not help at all .They will direct their own destiny .we are lucky that more than 95 % of our boys and girls are graduated from universities .

So do I Halil. It's the young generation that will decide what to do in the future. But we can set them on a good course by having a good workable agreement that they can build on. So they can build a better future for themselves and the future generations.

You must be joking, surely.? What, with the present "corrupted society" you Fascist NeoPartitionist built for them where they do not know the difference between Right and Wrong, but only what they can get away with, because the TA will protect them no matter what they do, no matter whose Human Rights violations they will commit, on whose property they will build their lives on, not understanding the rules of True Democracy, Human Rights and International laws. You people have set the course for them to become outcasts of western society and values of Europe. The only difference the future generation will have than the present generation, is that they will have University diplomas from the north for what it's worth, which means you will have a somewhat "educated corrupt society". I can't wait to see how the generation after the next one will turn out, but if the past anything to go by, I would say not too well.!

Lets hope that all future "corrupted societies" in the north can be corrected now with a settlement soon based on True Democracy, Human Rights, International Laws and EU Principles. The only problem as I see, is that we have too many Fascist NeoPartitionist to allow such principles to become norm for Cyprus, in which case, I don't know why you would bother in sending your kids to Universities to become what exactly, smart Human Rights violators, or are you planning for them to move to other countries. The latter will probably be better for them, so that they can see how the west lives under True Democracy in a Fair and Just societies where they will be treated as equals with the citizens of the country they will call home from then on, since they will be powerless against the settlers who will have their own Anatolian style of Democracy, which will mean that your kids will not want to come back if they in fact embrace True Democracy, Human Rights, International Laws and EU principles while living abroad. I can’t say I would blame them really, which will be the fault of today’s generation for continuing to embrace “corrupted society” for yourselves.!

After not solving this problem for 45 years, if you think you can solve it in one step, you continue to live in dream land. You missed the gist of my post. The solution will evolve with the new generation and they will determine the final agreement. In the meantime we will do what we can to take a step towards it.

Listen YFred, a rotten apple does not drop too far from the tree it grows on, the fore you should not expect any better results from the future generation if the present one are setting them on a corrupted course. If the tree is rotten, why wouldn't the fruit it produces.? Surely that is not too difficult to understand, is it.?

The rotten apple will still produce a healthy apple seed and a healthy apple tree will grow from it. The apple is rotten because of disease, it is not inherent. Change the environment and then you will be surprised at the next generation.

Your argument may hold true if you were to eradicate all the rotten Apple Trees now. The question is, are you willing to do that.? If so, then it brings us back to what I already stated, which is, in order for the new generation to be on the right path, they will need to be guided with True Democracy, Human Rights, International Laws and the EU Principles.? Anything other than the above principles, all you would have done is to change rotten red apples to rotten green apples still falling from the same rotten trees..!

[Tim Drayton]

If present trends continue, the Turkish Cypriots will within one generation cease to exist as a group with their own cultural identity. Does anybody disagree?

How they maintain and develop their own cultural identity is up to them, and not a problem for the rest of us.

What is a problem is the occupation of half of our island and the importation of foreign settlers.

What a shame that you cannot understand what is taking place.

u are right Tim .

one think i can tell u Tim ... We the Turkish Cypriots are AZIMLI VE INAÇLIYIZ that no one can stop our idendity in Cyprus . We safed our identidies very worse days than today .
even lately wedding celebrationes are started celebrating with old Turkish Cypriot tradations .

Halil, gardaş, I wish I could share your optimism, but now that Turkish Cypriots have become a minority in the territory that is nominally theirs, I cannot help feeling that in the long run they are doomed. Yes, Turkish Cypriots can fight and win individual battles but they appear set to lose the long, slow war that is being waged by Turkey to gradually eradicate all traces of Cypriot identity in the territory under its administration. As the population from Turkey becomes proportionally larger and larger, the day will come when the majority demands things like compulsory religious instruction in schools just like in Turkey, and why should a small minority have the right to block this majority will?

Rather the Turks than the GCs.

At least we agree as to what the long-term consequences of the continuation of the status quo will be. I am not as sure as you that this will be to the benefit of Turkish Cypriots.

Why are you so worried

Good question.

There are two distinct reasons. I have been an observer of Turkish Cypriot society since I first visited the north of Cyprus in 1992. I think Turkish Cypriots - in fact all Cypriots - are great people and it saddens me to witness the gradual erosion of their own culture and its replacement with mainland Turkish culture. The great Turkish author Yaşar Kemal in a seminal interview that he recently gave the Radikal newspaper about the Kurdish problem spoke of the world being a garden with 1000 varieties of flower, and said that if we pluck away a culture from this world we lose a colour, a scent and a richness. I agree with this sentiment and I feel that in these terms Turkey's policy of gradually destroying Turkish Cypriot culture is a crime against humanity.

A second more concrete reason is that I have bought a flat and settled in Cyprus. I can see that Turkey's policies have the long-term aim of taking control of the whole island. This aim may not be realised, but I think there is a danger that it could happen. I have lived in Turkey in the past and, while I greatly admire the strides forward that have been made in establishing a modern secular state on the final remnants of the Ottoman Empire, I still think that Cyprus is a much, much better place. I do not wish one fine day to wake up and find myself living in Turkey again by default.

[halil]

If present trends continue, the Turkish Cypriots will within one generation cease to exist as a group with their own cultural identity. Does anybody disagree?

How they maintain and develop their own cultural identity is up to them, and not a problem for the rest of us.

What is a problem is the occupation of half of our island and the importation of foreign settlers.

What a shame that you cannot understand what is taking place.

u are right Tim .

one think i can tell u Tim ... We the Turkish Cypriots are AZIMLI VE INAÇLIYIZ that no one can stop our idendity in Cyprus . We safed our identidies very worse days than today .
even lately wedding celebrationes are started celebrating with old Turkish Cypriot tradations .

Halil, gardaş, I wish I could share your optimism, but now that Turkish Cypriots have become a minority in the territory that is nominally theirs, I cannot help feeling that in the long run they are doomed. Yes, Turkish Cypriots can fight and win individual battles but they appear set to lose the long, slow war that is being waged by Turkey to gradually eradicate all traces of Cypriot identity in the territory under its administration. As the population from Turkey becomes proportionally larger and larger, the day will come when the majority demands things like compulsory religious instruction in schools just like in Turkey, and why should a small minority have the right to block this majority will?

Rather the Turks than the GCs.

At least we agree as to what the long-term consequences of the continuation of the status quo will be. I am not as sure as you that this will be to the benefit of Turkish Cypriots.

Why are you so worried

Good question.

There are two distinct reasons. I have been an observer of Turkish Cypriot society since I first visited the north of Cyprus in 1992. I think Turkish Cypriots - in fact all Cypriots - are great people and it saddens me to witness the gradual erosion of their own culture and its replacement with mainland Turkish culture. The great Turkish author Yaşar Kemal in a seminal interview that he recently gave the Radikal newspaper about the Kurdish problem spoke of the world being a garden with 1000 varieties of flower, and said that if we pluck away a culture from this world we lose a colour, a scent and a richness. I agree with this sentiment and I feel that in these terms Turkey's policy of gradually destroying Turkish Cypriot culture is a crime against humanity.

A second more concrete reason is that I have bought a flat and settled in Cyprus. I can see that Turkey's policies have the long-term aim of taking control of the whole island. This aim may not be realised, but I think there is a danger that it could happen. I have lived in Turkey in the past and, while I greatly admire the strides forward that have been made in establishing a modern secular state on the final remnants of the Ottoman Empire, I still think that Cyprus is a much, much better place. I do not wish one fine day to wake up and find myself living in Turkey again by default.

Tim I don't think Turkey wants to control whole of Cyprus . Control means spend more money and more effort from her own people . Many times they said when there will be reasonable solution in Cyprus they will go .

As long as Cyprus problem goes on ...yes there is a danger for us . our population will decrease , i am sure slowly slowly there population will also integrated to our calture . People are always looking for better lifes and livings .They likes the benefits of our freedom as well .when they got it they never wants to go back .

Very soon South will change as well .They can loose their Cyprus calture .I can notice very clearly when i passed to south .I can tell u their calture will disappear before us .

[YFred]

YFred be sure mate about our future . We all knowing what we are doing or what we are after . We can have some times interruptions ... doesn't water .... our way is open .
I trust our young generation YFred . They are very luck now they can get very easily every information. They have their own brains they can easily judge what is good what is bad for them . with forcing them to do things that they don't like , it will not help at all .They will direct their own destiny .we are lucky that more than 95 % of our boys and girls are graduated from universities .

So do I Halil. It's the young generation that will decide what to do in the future. But we can set them on a good course by having a good workable agreement that they can build on. So they can build a better future for themselves and the future generations.

You must be joking, surely.? What, with the present "corrupted society" you Fascist NeoPartitionist built for them where they do not know the difference between Right and Wrong, but only what they can get away with, because the TA will protect them no matter what they do, no matter whose Human Rights violations they will commit, on whose property they will build their lives on, not understanding the rules of True Democracy, Human Rights and International laws. You people have set the course for them to become outcasts of western society and values of Europe. The only difference the future generation will have than the present generation, is that they will have University diplomas from the north for what it's worth, which means you will have a somewhat "educated corrupt society". I can't wait to see how the generation after the next one will turn out, but if the past anything to go by, I would say not too well.!

Lets hope that all future "corrupted societies" in the north can be corrected now with a settlement soon based on True Democracy, Human Rights, International Laws and EU Principles. The only problem as I see, is that we have too many Fascist NeoPartitionist to allow such principles to become norm for Cyprus, in which case, I don't know why you would bother in sending your kids to Universities to become what exactly, smart Human Rights violators, or are you planning for them to move to other countries. The latter will probably be better for them, so that they can see how the west lives under True Democracy in a Fair and Just societies where they will be treated as equals with the citizens of the country they will call home from then on, since they will be powerless against the settlers who will have their own Anatolian style of Democracy, which will mean that your kids will not want to come back if they in fact embrace True Democracy, Human Rights, International Laws and EU principles while living abroad. I can’t say I would blame them really, which will be the fault of today’s generation for continuing to embrace “corrupted society” for yourselves.!

After not solving this problem for 45 years, if you think you can solve it in one step, you continue to live in dream land. You missed the gist of my post. The solution will evolve with the new generation and they will determine the final agreement. In the meantime we will do what we can to take a step towards it.

Listen YFred, a rotten apple does not drop too far from the tree it grows on, the fore you should not expect any better results from the future generation if the present one are setting them on a corrupted course. If the tree is rotten, why wouldn't the fruit it produces.? Surely that is not too difficult to understand, is it.?

The rotten apple will still produce a healthy apple seed and a healthy apple tree will grow from it. The apple is rotten because of disease, it is not inherent. Change the environment and then you will be surprised at the next generation.

Your argument may hold true if you were to eradicate all the rotten Apple Trees now. The question is, are you willing to do that.? If so, then it brings us back to what I already stated, which is, in order for the new generation to be on the right path, they will need to be guided with True Democracy, Human Rights, International Laws and the EU Principles.? Anything other than the above principles, all you would have done is to change rotten red apples to rotten green apples still falling from the same rotten trees..!

To continue with your analogy, you don't need to remove the rotten apply trees, you just treat them and improve their environment, next generation of apples will be fine. It's the environment you need to treat. You are blaming the victim. It is a very common misconception.