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Postby RAFAELLA » Fri Aug 07, 2009 4:42 pm

Καθηγητές διέκοψαν μαθήματα στην κατεχόμενη Γύψου

Μάθε παιδί μου... κοράνι

Την παρέμβαση των τ/κ συντεχνιών καθηγητών και δασκάλων προκάλεσε η πρωτοβουλία του «κοινοτάρχη» της κατεχόμενης Γύψου να ανοίξει το εκεί δημοτικό σχολείο προκειμένου ο ιμάμης του χωριού Αρνάδι να παραδίδει μαθήματα για το κοράνι κατά τη διάρκεια του καλοκαιριού. Το σχολείο άνοιξε χωρίς να δώσει τη συγκατάθεσή του ο διευθυντής του και ακολούθως παρενέβησαν επικεφαλής των τ/κ συντεχνιών οι οποίοι αφού έπιασαν στα «πράσα» τον ιμάμη να παραδίδει παράνομα μαθήματα κορανίου σε μαθητές. Στη φωτογραφία και τα βιβλία που έχουν σταλεί από την Τουρκία για τη διδασκαλία του σχετικού μαθήματος.
Ως γνωστόν το «υπουργείο» παιδείας σύναψε συμφωνία με τη «διεύθυνση θρησκευτικών υποθέσεων» προκειμένου η φετινή σχολική χρονιά να συνοδευτεί από μαθήματα για το κοράνι, κάτι που είχε καταργηθεί τα τελευταία χρόνια.
Μπροστά σε αυτή την εξέλιξη ο σύνδεσμος αλεβιτών κατεχομένων αξίωσε κι αυτός να διδάσκεται στα σχολεία το κοράνι κατά το δόγμα των αλεβιτών (τα βιβλία και τα μαθήματα είναι κατά το σουνιτικό δόγμα). Η εφημερίδα «Αφρίκα» ασχολείται με το θέμα των μαθημάτων για το κοράνι και γράφει ότι το φαινόμενο αυτό οφείλεται στην πληθυσμιακή αλλοίωση των κατεχομένων. Η εφημερίδα εξηγεί ότι η συμφωνία για τα μαθήματα ανταποκρίνεται στην ουσία στο αίτημα των χιλιάδων Τούρκων που έχουν μεταφερθεί στα κατεχόμενα μεταφέροντας παράλληλα στο ψευδοκράτος τις συνήθειες και τα πιστεύω τους. Η εφημερίδα γράφει επίσης ότι μεταξύ των μαθητών που παρακολουθούσαν τα παράνομα μαθήματα στη Γύψου δεν υπήρχαν Τ/Κ μαθητές.

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Professors interrupted koran courses in Gipsou
You learn my child… Koran
The intervention of [t]/[k] of guilds of professors and schoolteachers caused the initiative of “head of village of” possessed Plaster to open the there municipal school in order that the imam of village [Arnadi] delivers courses for the Koran at the duration of summertime. The school opened without gives his consent his director and followingly intervened head of [t]/[k] of guilds that after they touched in the “leeks” the imam to deliver illegal courses [koranioy] in students. In the photograph and the books that have been sent by Turkey for the teaching of relative course. As we know the “ministry of” education contracted agreement with the “address of religious affairs” in order that this year's school year is accompanied by courses for the Koran, something that had been suppressed in the past few year. Front in this development the contact [alebiton] possessed demanded and this is taught in the schools the Koran at the doctrine [alebiton] (the books and the courses it is at the [soynitiko] doctrine). The newspaper “[Afrika]” deals with the subject of courses for the Koran and it writes that this phenomenon is owed in the demographic alteration possessed. The newspaper explains that the agreement on the courses corresponds in the substance in the demand of thousands of Turks that has been transported in possessed transporting at the same time in the pseudo-state the habits and believe him their. The newspaper writes also that between the students that watched the illegal courses in Gipsou did not exist [T]/[K] students.

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Κι άλλα παράνομα μαθήματα ξετρύπωσαν Τ/Κ δάσκαλοι

Σκοπιές για το κοράνι

Με πιο παραδοσιακό τρόπο τα μαθήματα για το κοράνι στην Κυθραία. Μάλιστα κάτω από τη φωτογραφία τού (εκσυγχρονιστή στην εποχή του) Κεμάλ Ατατούρκ υπήρχε το οθωμανικό αλφάβητο

Με νέα έφοδο η τ/κ συντεχνία δασκάλων εντόπισε, έβγαλε στη δημοσιότητα και διέκοψε για δεύτερη συνεχόμενη μέρα μαθήματα κορανίου που πραγματοποιούνταν αυτή τη φορά στην κατεχόμενη Κυθραία. Έτσι λοιπόν, ένα μόλις εικοσιτετράωρο μετά την αποκάλυψη ότι σε σχολείο της κατεχόμενης Γύψου ιμάμης άλλου χωριού παρέδιδε τέτοια μαθήματα, οι Τ/Κ δάσκαλοι αποκάλυψαν ότι και στο δημοτικό σχολείο Κυθραίας ιμάμης δίδασκε το κοράνι σε 40 συνολικά μαθητές.
Αυτή τη φορά πάντως τα μαθήματα για το κοράνι γίνονταν με πιο παραδοσιακό τρόπο αφού κάποια από τα βιβλία που χρησιμοποιούνταν ήταν στα οθωμανικά ενώ κάτω από τη φωτογραφία του Κεμάλ Ατατούρκ (βρίσκεται σε όλες τις αίθουσες) υπήρχε το οθωμανικό αλφάβητο.
Σε σχετική ανακοίνωση της συντεχνίας αναφέρεται πως τα παράνομα μαθήματα πλέον παραδίδονται σε διάφορα μέρη των κατεχομένων χωρίς αυτά να εντάσσονται στο πλαίσιο της συμφωνίας που έχει συνάψει το «υπουργείο» παιδείας με το «γραφείο θρησκευτικών υποθέσεων» καθώς αυτή η συμφωνία αφορά τη σχολική περίοδο και όχι την καλοκαιρινή.
Στην ανακοίνωσή της λοιπόν η συντεχνία υποστηρίζει ότι η «κυβέρνηση» του Κόμματος Εθνικής Ενότητας επιτρέπει τα παράνομα μαθήματα μόνο και μόνο για να έρθει πιο κοντά στην τουρκική κυβέρνηση του Κόμματος Δικαιοσύνης και Ανάπτυξης.
Η συντεχνία εξηγεί ότι ιμάμηδες κι άλλοι φορείς μαζεύουν παιδιά διαφόρων ηλικιών για να παραδίδουν τέτοια μαθήματα. «Το επιχείρημα ότι παραδίδουν μάθημα θρησκευτικών και όχι κορανίου αποδεικνύεται ψευδές» αναφέρει η συντεχνία επισημαίνοντας ότι το κοράνι που διδάσκεται είναι γραμμένο στην οθωμανική. Τη συντεχνία στηρίζουν κι άλλοι τ/κ σύνδεσμοι και σύνολα που εναντιώνονται στα μαθήματα κορανίου. Μεταξύ αυτών και το Κόμμα Νέα Κύπρος καταγγέλλει την Τουρκία ότι προσπαθεί να εκτουρκίσει και να εξισλαμίσει τα κατεχόμενα ανεγείροντας μνημεία και τοποθετώντας σημαίες παντού αλλά και ενθαρρύνοντας τα μαθήματα για το κοράνι.
Στην αντίπερα τώρα όχθη ο «σύνδεσμος εθνικής αλληλεγγύης» ανέλαβε το ρόλο να υπερασπιστεί τα μαθήματα κορανίου κατηγορώντας τους δασκάλους για τις εφόδους που πραγματοποιούν.

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And other illegal courses [xetryposan] [T]/[K] schoolteachers
Viewpoints for Koran

With more traditional way the courses for the Koran in [Kythraia]. Of course under the photograph it (modern in his season) Kemal Ataturk existed the Ottoman alphabet With new assault the [t]/[k] guild of schoolteachers located, removed in the publicity and it interrupted for second possessed day courses [koranioy] that were realised this time in possessed [Kythraia]. Thus therefore, one hardly 24-hour afterwards the revelation that in school of possessed Plaster imam of other village it delivered such courses, the [T]/[K] schoolteachers revealed that in the municipal school [Kythraias] imam it taught also the Koran in 40 globally students. This time in any case the courses for the Koran became with more traditional way after somebodies of the books that were used were in Ottoman while under the photograph of Kemal Ataturk (it is found in the all rooms) existed the Ottoman alphabet. In relative statement of guild it is reported that the illegal courses are henceforth delivered in various parts possessed without these are included in the frame of agreement that it has contracted the “ministry of” education with the “office of religious affairs” while this agreement it concerns the school period and no summer. In her statement therefore the guild supports that the “government of” Party of National Unit allows the illegal courses only and only in order to she comes more near the Turkish government of Party of Justice and Growth. The guild explains that [imamides] and other institutions gather children of various ages in order to they deliver such courses. “The argument that they deliver course religious and no [koranioy] are proved false” reports the guild pointing out that the Koran that is taught is written in Ottoman. The guild support also other [t]/[k] contacts and totals that oppose in the courses [koranioy]. Between these and the Party New Cyprus denounces Turkey that it tries [ektoyrkisei] and [exislamisei] possessed erecting monuments and placing flags everywhere but also encouraging the courses for the Koran. In on the other side now bank the “contact of national solidarity” undertook the role it is defended the courses [koranioy] accusing the schoolteachers for the assaults that they realise.


:? my poor compatriots, your "saviors" are doing anything possible to destroy your roots, why don't you react?
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Postby YFred » Fri Aug 07, 2009 4:48 pm

halil wrote:
Tim Drayton wrote:
Piratis wrote:
If present trends continue, the Turkish Cypriots will within one generation cease to exist as a group with their own cultural identity. Does anybody disagree?


How they maintain and develop their own cultural identity is up to them, and not a problem for the rest of us.

What is a problem is the occupation of half of our island and the importation of foreign settlers.


What a shame that you cannot understand what is taking place.


u are right Tim .

one think i can tell u Tim ... We the Turkish Cypriots are AZIMLI VE INAÇLIYIZ that no one can stop our idendity in Cyprus . We safed our identidies very worse days than today .
even lately wedding celebrationes are started celebrating with old Turkish Cypriot tradations .

Halil, do you remember the days when we had food and drinks at weddings. I can even rememeber a wedding that lasted for 3 days. Where is it all gone?
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Postby halil » Fri Aug 07, 2009 4:55 pm

YFred wrote:
halil wrote:
Tim Drayton wrote:
Piratis wrote:
If present trends continue, the Turkish Cypriots will within one generation cease to exist as a group with their own cultural identity. Does anybody disagree?


How they maintain and develop their own cultural identity is up to them, and not a problem for the rest of us.

What is a problem is the occupation of half of our island and the importation of foreign settlers.


What a shame that you cannot understand what is taking place.


u are right Tim .

one think i can tell u Tim ... We the Turkish Cypriots are AZIMLI VE INAÇLIYIZ that no one can stop our idendity in Cyprus . We safed our identidies very worse days than today .
even lately wedding celebrationes are started celebrating with old Turkish Cypriot tradations .

Halil, do you remember the days when we had food and drinks at weddings. I can even rememeber a wedding that lasted for 3 days. Where is it all gone?


Yes YFred ,
I was one of the weddings last night at Vadili village .

there was a Fırın Kebab , Makarına , dolma and salad ...... beers ,Rakı's and whisky......

also karpuz (water melon) .....
all the folk musics ,games were on .... even they were firing with shoot guns......

thats what kind of the weddings also i will do for my kids .

at the end Testi oyunu ...... was final of the wedding .....
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Postby YFred » Fri Aug 07, 2009 5:01 pm

halil wrote:
YFred wrote:
halil wrote:
Tim Drayton wrote:
Piratis wrote:
If present trends continue, the Turkish Cypriots will within one generation cease to exist as a group with their own cultural identity. Does anybody disagree?


How they maintain and develop their own cultural identity is up to them, and not a problem for the rest of us.

What is a problem is the occupation of half of our island and the importation of foreign settlers.


What a shame that you cannot understand what is taking place.


u are right Tim .

one think i can tell u Tim ... We the Turkish Cypriots are AZIMLI VE INAÇLIYIZ that no one can stop our idendity in Cyprus . We safed our identidies very worse days than today .
even lately wedding celebrationes are started celebrating with old Turkish Cypriot tradations .

Halil, do you remember the days when we had food and drinks at weddings. I can even rememeber a wedding that lasted for 3 days. Where is it all gone?


Yes YFred ,
I was one of the weddings last night at Vadili village .

there was a Fırın Kebab , Makarına , dolma and salad ...... beers ,Rakı's and whisky......

also karpuz (water melon) .....
all the folk musics ,games were on .... even they were firing with shoot guns......

thats what kind of the weddings also i will do for my kids .

at the end Testi oyunu ...... was final of the wedding .....

That’s fantastic. I hope it comes back.

Shame GR was not there. You could have broken the testi on his head :lol: :lol:
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Postby halil » Fri Aug 07, 2009 5:10 pm

YFred wrote:
halil wrote:
YFred wrote:
halil wrote:
Tim Drayton wrote:
Piratis wrote:
If present trends continue, the Turkish Cypriots will within one generation cease to exist as a group with their own cultural identity. Does anybody disagree?


How they maintain and develop their own cultural identity is up to them, and not a problem for the rest of us.

What is a problem is the occupation of half of our island and the importation of foreign settlers.


What a shame that you cannot understand what is taking place.


u are right Tim .

one think i can tell u Tim ... We the Turkish Cypriots are AZIMLI VE INAÇLIYIZ that no one can stop our idendity in Cyprus . We safed our identidies very worse days than today .
even lately wedding celebrationes are started celebrating with old Turkish Cypriot tradations .

Halil, do you remember the days when we had food and drinks at weddings. I can even rememeber a wedding that lasted for 3 days. Where is it all gone?


Yes YFred ,
I was one of the weddings last night at Vadili village .

there was a Fırın Kebab , Makarına , dolma and salad ...... beers ,Rakı's and whisky......

also karpuz (water melon) .....
all the folk musics ,games were on .... even they were firing with shoot guns......

thats what kind of the weddings also i will do for my kids .

at the end Testi oyunu ...... was final of the wedding .....

That’s fantastic. I hope it comes back.


YFred be sure mate about our future . We all knowing what we are doing or what we are after . We can have some times interruptions ... doesn't water .... our way is open .
I trust our young generation YFred . They are very luck now they can get very easily every information. They have their own brains they can easily judge what is good what is bad for them . with forcing them to do things that they don't like , it will not help at all .They will direct their own destiny .we are lucky that more than 95 % of our boys and girls are graduated from universities .
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Postby YFred » Fri Aug 07, 2009 5:15 pm

halil wrote:
YFred wrote:
halil wrote:
YFred wrote:
halil wrote:
Tim Drayton wrote:
Piratis wrote:
If present trends continue, the Turkish Cypriots will within one generation cease to exist as a group with their own cultural identity. Does anybody disagree?


How they maintain and develop their own cultural identity is up to them, and not a problem for the rest of us.

What is a problem is the occupation of half of our island and the importation of foreign settlers.


What a shame that you cannot understand what is taking place.


u are right Tim .

one think i can tell u Tim ... We the Turkish Cypriots are AZIMLI VE INAÇLIYIZ that no one can stop our idendity in Cyprus . We safed our identidies very worse days than today .
even lately wedding celebrationes are started celebrating with old Turkish Cypriot tradations .

Halil, do you remember the days when we had food and drinks at weddings. I can even rememeber a wedding that lasted for 3 days. Where is it all gone?


Yes YFred ,
I was one of the weddings last night at Vadili village .

there was a Fırın Kebab , Makarına , dolma and salad ...... beers ,Rakı's and whisky......

also karpuz (water melon) .....
all the folk musics ,games were on .... even they were firing with shoot guns......

thats what kind of the weddings also i will do for my kids .

at the end Testi oyunu ...... was final of the wedding .....

That’s fantastic. I hope it comes back.


YFred be sure mate about our future . We all knowing what we are doing or what we are after . We can have some times interruptions ... doesn't water .... our way is open .
I trust our young generation YFred . They are very luck now they can get very easily every information. They have their own brains they can easily judge what is good what is bad for them . with forcing them to do things that they don't like , it will not help at all .They will direct their own destiny .we are lucky that more than 95 % of our boys and girls are graduated from universities .

So do I Halil. It's the young generation that will decide what to do in the future. But we can set them on a good course by having a good workable agreement that they can build on. So they can build a better future for themselves and the future generations.
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Postby Tim Drayton » Fri Aug 07, 2009 5:54 pm

halil wrote:
Tim Drayton wrote:
Piratis wrote:
If present trends continue, the Turkish Cypriots will within one generation cease to exist as a group with their own cultural identity. Does anybody disagree?


How they maintain and develop their own cultural identity is up to them, and not a problem for the rest of us.

What is a problem is the occupation of half of our island and the importation of foreign settlers.


What a shame that you cannot understand what is taking place.


u are right Tim .

one think i can tell u Tim ... We the Turkish Cypriots are AZIMLI VE INAÇLIYIZ that no one can stop our idendity in Cyprus . We safed our identidies very worse days than today .
even lately wedding celebrationes are started celebrating with old Turkish Cypriot tradations .


Halil, gardaş, I wish I could share your optimism, but now that Turkish Cypriots have become a minority in the territory that is nominally theirs, I cannot help feeling that in the long run they are doomed. Yes, Turkish Cypriots can fight and win individual battles but they appear set to lose the long, slow war that is being waged by Turkey to gradually eradicate all traces of Cypriot identity in the territory under its administration. As the population from Turkey becomes proportionally larger and larger, the day will come when the majority demands things like compulsory religious instruction in schools just like in Turkey, and why should a small minority have the right to block this majority will?
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Postby Viewpoint » Fri Aug 07, 2009 6:08 pm

Tim Drayton wrote:
halil wrote:
Tim Drayton wrote:
Piratis wrote:
If present trends continue, the Turkish Cypriots will within one generation cease to exist as a group with their own cultural identity. Does anybody disagree?


How they maintain and develop their own cultural identity is up to them, and not a problem for the rest of us.

What is a problem is the occupation of half of our island and the importation of foreign settlers.


What a shame that you cannot understand what is taking place.


u are right Tim .

one think i can tell u Tim ... We the Turkish Cypriots are AZIMLI VE INAÇLIYIZ that no one can stop our idendity in Cyprus . We safed our identidies very worse days than today .
even lately wedding celebrationes are started celebrating with old Turkish Cypriot tradations .


Halil, gardaş, I wish I could share your optimism, but now that Turkish Cypriots have become a minority in the territory that is nominally theirs, I cannot help feeling that in the long run they are doomed. Yes, Turkish Cypriots can fight and win individual battles but they appear set to lose the long, slow war that is being waged by Turkey to gradually eradicate all traces of Cypriot identity in the territory under its administration. As the population from Turkey becomes proportionally larger and larger, the day will come when the majority demands things like compulsory religious instruction in schools just like in Turkey, and why should a small minority have the right to block this majority will?


Rather the Turks than the GCs.
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Postby Tim Drayton » Fri Aug 07, 2009 6:14 pm

Viewpoint wrote:
Tim Drayton wrote:
halil wrote:
Tim Drayton wrote:
Piratis wrote:
If present trends continue, the Turkish Cypriots will within one generation cease to exist as a group with their own cultural identity. Does anybody disagree?


How they maintain and develop their own cultural identity is up to them, and not a problem for the rest of us.

What is a problem is the occupation of half of our island and the importation of foreign settlers.


What a shame that you cannot understand what is taking place.


u are right Tim .

one think i can tell u Tim ... We the Turkish Cypriots are AZIMLI VE INAÇLIYIZ that no one can stop our idendity in Cyprus . We safed our identidies very worse days than today .
even lately wedding celebrationes are started celebrating with old Turkish Cypriot tradations .


Halil, gardaş, I wish I could share your optimism, but now that Turkish Cypriots have become a minority in the territory that is nominally theirs, I cannot help feeling that in the long run they are doomed. Yes, Turkish Cypriots can fight and win individual battles but they appear set to lose the long, slow war that is being waged by Turkey to gradually eradicate all traces of Cypriot identity in the territory under its administration. As the population from Turkey becomes proportionally larger and larger, the day will come when the majority demands things like compulsory religious instruction in schools just like in Turkey, and why should a small minority have the right to block this majority will?


Rather the Turks than the GCs.


At least we agree as to what the long-term consequences of the continuation of the status quo will be. I am not as sure as you that this will be to the benefit of Turkish Cypriots.
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Postby Viewpoint » Fri Aug 07, 2009 6:16 pm

Tim Drayton wrote:
Viewpoint wrote:
Tim Drayton wrote:
halil wrote:
Tim Drayton wrote:
Piratis wrote:
If present trends continue, the Turkish Cypriots will within one generation cease to exist as a group with their own cultural identity. Does anybody disagree?


How they maintain and develop their own cultural identity is up to them, and not a problem for the rest of us.

What is a problem is the occupation of half of our island and the importation of foreign settlers.


What a shame that you cannot understand what is taking place.


u are right Tim .

one think i can tell u Tim ... We the Turkish Cypriots are AZIMLI VE INAÇLIYIZ that no one can stop our idendity in Cyprus . We safed our identidies very worse days than today .
even lately wedding celebrationes are started celebrating with old Turkish Cypriot tradations .


Halil, gardaş, I wish I could share your optimism, but now that Turkish Cypriots have become a minority in the territory that is nominally theirs, I cannot help feeling that in the long run they are doomed. Yes, Turkish Cypriots can fight and win individual battles but they appear set to lose the long, slow war that is being waged by Turkey to gradually eradicate all traces of Cypriot identity in the territory under its administration. As the population from Turkey becomes proportionally larger and larger, the day will come when the majority demands things like compulsory religious instruction in schools just like in Turkey, and why should a small minority have the right to block this majority will?


Rather the Turks than the GCs.


At least we agree as to what the long-term consequences of the continuation of the status quo will be. I am not as sure as you that this will be to the benefit of Turkish Cypriots.


Why are you so worried
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