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Postby Get Real! » Sat Aug 08, 2009 12:43 am

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The Cypriot wrote:When Epsilon decided to leave Cyprus and make his home in Athens he was advised that, before he could be granted citizenship, half his brain would have to be cut out.



As a matter of fact, if Epsilon is a Cypriot, she or her parents may most likely be among those few hundreds that left Cyprus in rush, just after 1974, due to their tight involvement with the Eoka B' and its criminal activities, and spread around Greece and other places. Better ignore the stupid woman!

Epsilon, keep away from Cyprus!!! The last time you and your likes decided to get close and involved with it, you managed to give half of it to the Turks. Any further involvement with Cyprus and not only you will manage to achieve the union of half of it with Turkey -unlike any union with Greece you have once attempted, but you will also manage to give the remaining half of it to the Turks! Please stay away, and let us alone to slowly manage and pull out the cucumber you once shuffled in our asses, and which we still keep baring for the last 35 years!

This goes down as my all-time favorite Kifeas post… :)
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Postby Paphitis » Sat Aug 08, 2009 1:48 am

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The Cypriot wrote:When Epsilon decided to leave Cyprus and make his home in Athens he was advised that, before he could be granted citizenship, half his brain would have to be cut out.



As a matter of fact, if Epsilon is a Cypriot, she or her parents may most likely be among those few hundreds that left Cyprus in rush, just after 1974, due to their tight involvement with the Eoka B' and its criminal activities, and spread around Greece and other places. Better ignore the stupid woman!

Epsilon, keep away from Cyprus!!! The last time you and your likes decided to get close and involved with it, you managed to give half of it to the Turks. Any further involvement with Cyprus and not only you will manage to achieve the union of half of it with Turkey -unlike any union with Greece you have once attempted, but you will also manage to give the remaining half of it to the Turks! Please stay away, and let us alone to slowly manage and pull out the cucumber you once shuffled in our asses, and which we still keep baring for the last 35 years!


Having just been to Cyprus, it is clear to me that the islands biggest problem is the polarised division amongst the GCs. Many of you live in the past, and are still looking for someone to blame. On a postive note, the fascist tendencies of the past do not seem to exist any more, as you all appear to have moved on, but more work is needed to achieve national unity and cohesion so that you can all more effectively face the Turks and work towards the liberation of Cyprus.

Kifeas, you have an American education, and I would have thought that this American education would have better equipped you to at least move away from divisive and anachronistic ideals that should have no place in Cyprus today, and are better left in the 60s and 70s where they belong.

This lack of unity can only undermine Cyprus and weaken our hand.
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Postby Paphitis » Sat Aug 08, 2009 2:03 am

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Oracle wrote:The Greek flag signifies the ethnicity of the indigenous population of Cyprus; the RoC flag signifies our (multi-ethnic) Cypriot independence. There is a time and a place for either flag ... or both.

By indigenous I presume you are excluding the T/Cs .


Now you get it!

On the island since 1571 that's 438 years , when does one become indigenous I wonder .


If they were ever on track for such an honour, they blew it in 1974.

The Greek flag is not a unifying emblem on the contrary rather divisive and of course so is the Turkish flag.


The Turkish flag is foreign and divisive ... the Greek flag represents the ethnicity of the indigenous population of Cyprus and anyone who wants to eliminate that crucial cultural identity, is an enemy of the future of Cyprus.

Since Cyprus is totally independent , apart from the occupied part , we must respect its identity and its flag.


I've already said the political flag representing the independent republic of Cyprus is the RoC flag of Cyprus.

So what are you proposing then . The T/Cs are here to stay , they are not going anywhere on the other hand the Turkish Army is also here but it can go somewhere , back to Turkey . What is your method for getting the Turkish Army out of Cyprus , I know fly hundreds of Greek flags while singing the GNA and at the same time screaming out to the world that we are independent nation and all Cypriots are citizens of the ROC . !!
I was in Cyprus in 1974 , I did witness the " heroic" bullshitters carrying Greek flags , firing into the air and screaming out that Makarios is dead .
The only thing that died was thousands of innocent mostly civilian Cypriots and a third of our island.
The Greek flag is a foreign flag just as the Turkish one .


Even if Cyprus completely banned the use of the Greek Flag (not possible in a democratic country) and abolished its national anthem, the Turkish Army will NOT leave. Most of the TCs are too comfortable with the current impasse, and are just a pathetic minority now. Most of them will not demand that the Turkish Army be removed, no matter what. Melbourne, London, and Germany have a larger TC community than all of Cyprus put together, so for them, Cyprus is a lost cause and they have well and truly given up.

Their long term plans are to dehellenise the whole island, just like they have done to the occupied part of Cyprus, with destructive force.
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Postby Oracle » Sat Aug 08, 2009 3:30 am

Paphitis wrote:
miltiades wrote:
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miltiades wrote:
Oracle wrote:The Greek flag signifies the ethnicity of the indigenous population of Cyprus; the RoC flag signifies our (multi-ethnic) Cypriot independence. There is a time and a place for either flag ... or both.

By indigenous I presume you are excluding the T/Cs .


Now you get it!

On the island since 1571 that's 438 years , when does one become indigenous I wonder .


If they were ever on track for such an honour, they blew it in 1974.

The Greek flag is not a unifying emblem on the contrary rather divisive and of course so is the Turkish flag.


The Turkish flag is foreign and divisive ... the Greek flag represents the ethnicity of the indigenous population of Cyprus and anyone who wants to eliminate that crucial cultural identity, is an enemy of the future of Cyprus.

Since Cyprus is totally independent , apart from the occupied part , we must respect its identity and its flag.


I've already said the political flag representing the independent republic of Cyprus is the RoC flag of Cyprus.

So what are you proposing then . The T/Cs are here to stay , they are not going anywhere on the other hand the Turkish Army is also here but it can go somewhere , back to Turkey . What is your method for getting the Turkish Army out of Cyprus , I know fly hundreds of Greek flags while singing the GNA and at the same time screaming out to the world that we are independent nation and all Cypriots are citizens of the ROC . !!
I was in Cyprus in 1974 , I did witness the " heroic" bullshitters carrying Greek flags , firing into the air and screaming out that Makarios is dead .
The only thing that died was thousands of innocent mostly civilian Cypriots and a third of our island.
The Greek flag is a foreign flag just as the Turkish one .


Even if Cyprus completely banned the use of the Greek Flag (not possible in a democratic country) and abolished its national anthem, the Turkish Army will NOT leave. Most of the TCs are too comfortable with the current impasse, and are just a pathetic minority now. Most of them will not demand that the Turkish Army be removed, no matter what. Melbourne, London, and Germany have a larger TC community than all of Cyprus put together, so for them, Cyprus is a lost cause and they have well and truly given up.

Their long term plans are to dehellenise the whole island, just like they have done to the occupied part of Cyprus, with destructive force.


A very level headed forecast, Paphitis.

The "TRNC" is the model for what they want to do to the whole of Cyprus.

After all, there are no "right-wing EOKA B' lunatics" in the "TRNC" to threaten Turkey. So, why didn't they leave the few traces of a Greek identity intact? Why did they pursue complete removal of a Hellenic cultural identity? It is because Turkification of the whole island is their objective; as they did in 'Turkey'. How some GCs can initiate this for them in the free areas, is beyond comprehension ...

Anyway, a long overdue welcome back Paphitis. :D
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Postby Kifeas » Sat Aug 08, 2009 7:26 am

Paphitis wrote:
Kifeas, you have an American education, and I would have thought that this American education would have better equipped you to at least move away from divisive and anachronistic ideals that should have no place in Cyprus today, and are better left in the 60s and 70s where they belong.

This lack of unity can only undermine Cyprus and weaken our hand.


Where did you see my "divisive and anachronistic ideals?" Is it a "divisive and anachronistic" idea to tell a neo-fascist fanatic and a sick nationalist person to stay away from Cyprus? Is it a lie that the last time such people were allowed to get involved and reign, they managed to give half of Cyprus away to the Turks? What does having an American education has to do with it?
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Postby Kifeas » Sat Aug 08, 2009 7:36 am

Paphitis wrote:Even if Cyprus completely banned the use of the Greek Flag (not possible in a democratic country) and abolished its national anthem, ....


Paphitis …playing to the gallery??? Who spoke about Cyprus banning the Greek flag, and who about "abolishing" its non-existing national anthem? How can you abolish something that does not exist in the first place; and, since when honoring your country's flag -especially when your country participates in international events such as sports etc, such a thing is tantamount to banning the use of the Greek flag?
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Postby Paphitis » Sat Aug 08, 2009 8:18 am

Kifeas wrote:
Paphitis wrote:
Kifeas, you have an American education, and I would have thought that this American education would have better equipped you to at least move away from divisive and anachronistic ideals that should have no place in Cyprus today, and are better left in the 60s and 70s where they belong.

This lack of unity can only undermine Cyprus and weaken our hand.


Where did you see my "divisive and anachronistic ideals?" Is it a "divisive and anachronistic" idea to tell a neo-fascist fanatic and a sick nationalist person to stay away from Cyprus? Is it a lie that the last time such people were allowed to get involved and reign, they managed to give half of Cyprus away to the Turks? What does having an American education has to do with it?


Right here Kifeas!

As a matter of fact, if Epsilon is a Cypriot, she or her parents may most likely be among those few hundreds that left Cyprus in rush, just after 1974, due to their tight involvement with the Eoka B' and its criminal activities, and spread around Greece and other places. Better ignore the stupid woman!

Epsilon, keep away from Cyprus!!! The last time you and your likes decided to get close and involved with it, you managed to give half of it to the Turks. Any further involvement with Cyprus and not only you will manage to achieve the union of half of it with Turkey -unlike any union with Greece you have once attempted, but you will also manage to give the remaining half of it to the Turks! Please stay away, and let us alone to slowly manage and pull out the cucumber you once shuffled in our asses, and which we still keep baring for the last 35 years!


Labelling persons as fascist, is in my opinion, anachronistic and divisive, especially if you have not even met them. This is the type of mentality that is all so common among the older generation.

As far as I'm concerned Kifeas, GCs need to mature and move way from divisive politics. There is a desperate need of unity between many GCs, and especially the political forces within Cyprus, so that they can finally act and behave in a manner that benefits the national interest. There is division between AKEL and Disy, AKEL and DIKO, and somehow, these forces need to unify or find common ground. There must be unity when dealing with the Cyprus Problem, and the lack of unity is a much bigger threat than the Turkish Army itself, because it has always undermined our ability to fight for justice and it weakens our hand in the current negotiations, as the Turkish side feels invincible against a badly organised and polarised opposition.

I personally don't believe that there are nationalistic fascist Cypriots anymore. I, at least, did not see any. Sure there were Cypriots who made costly mistakes, but the past can't be changed. We can learn to live with it, and fight the occupation in unison or our weakness will be further exploited.

It is not a lie that some people in Cyprus managed to half destroy the country. I'm certain that none of them saw the calamity that awaited us, and are now regretful. But these unfortunate divisions within Cypriot society, and within the political spectrum, need to be left behind, so that you can all concentrate your energies against the occupation in a cohesive and constructive fashion.

What does having an American education has to do with it?


You don't find it interesting that in places such as the US, Australia and Canada, political ideologies NEVER undermine the national interests? These countries are very young and are yet politically more mature (George W Bush excluded) when facing adversity.

I think it is time to move on, and it is imperative that all GCs and all political parties get behind and support Christofias to strengthen his hand at the negotiation table. Witch hunts and blaming others will not achieve anything. Dividing society into so called "EOKA B" extremists (which don't exist), communist or anything in between, undermines everything.
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Postby Paphitis » Sat Aug 08, 2009 8:38 am

Kifeas wrote:
Paphitis wrote:Even if Cyprus completely banned the use of the Greek Flag (not possible in a democratic country) and abolished its national anthem, ....


Paphitis …playing to the gallery??? Who spoke about Cyprus banning the Greek flag, and who about "abolishing" its non-existing national anthem? How can you abolish something that does not exist in the first place; and, since when honoring your country's flag -especially when your country participates in international events such as sports etc, such a thing is tantamount to banning the use of the Greek flag?


I don't have any issue with the article of this thread, and am all for the proliferation of the Cyprus Flag. I totally agree with the fact that the Apoel fans should have used the Cyprus Flag much more than they did. I am certain that many Apoel fans already do this. It is unfortunate that the number of Greek Flags outnumber the number of Cypriot Flags. Equally unfortunate is the displaying of the 'trnc" flag or the Turkish Flag at Omonioa games so as to provoke Apoel. Defacing the Greek Flag is equally stupid, so an article should be written about all of this one day as well.

Cyprus does have its own national anthem, but it does not enjoy exclusive rights over it. Greece does not even have exclusive rights over it, as it is something that represents Greeks all over the world. It does not belong to Greece or Cyprus, and neither the flag or anthem will be labelled as an EOKA B or Junta fascist symbol as some have attempted to do so here on this forum (not you).
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Postby Paphitis » Sat Aug 08, 2009 8:53 am

Oracle wrote:
A very level headed forecast, Paphitis.


Buit it is not a blanket forecast...I thought I should make this clear.

Cyprus will be liberated one day. Don't want anyone to get the wrong impression.

Oracle wrote:
Anyway, a long overdue welcome back Paphitis. :D


Thanks Oracle. Na isai panta kala... :)
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Postby miltiades » Sat Aug 08, 2009 9:22 am

Disunity amongst G/Cs has existed ever since I remember as young boy when the coffee bars - kafenia - were customized according to whether one was RIGHT or LEFT -DEXIOS I ARISTEROS.
The church always supported the RIGHT , the village priest would only customize the RIGHT coffee shop.
Football Clubs , which I believe to this day still follow this rather tribal approach also fell in the same category so that the supporters of APOLLON were RIGHT and the ones of AEL LEFT .
During the 1955-59 struggle the division was more intense , even selecting a shopkeeper - MBAKALI- was a matter of RIGHT or LEFT.
I do hope that such discriminating preferences are on the decline although I believe that in football is still rampant.
Paphitis is right in his statement on the Cypriot political scene . Effort must be channeled in finding a solution for the benefit of the entire island and its people putting aside party bickering.
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