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turkey should not be allowed to join the eu to it has given cyprus back to its rightful owners

[YFred]

turkey should not be allowed to join the eu to it has given cyprus back to its rightful owners

The problem with that idea is that when the negotiations started, Cyprus agreed to them without such pre-condition, so unfortunately no chance. So long as they open their ports at some stage, they go on and on and on and on.

[paliometoxo]

yes but turkey states they are for re unification then 5 seconds later they scream they want partition then they scream that partition is the only way then they say they are for re unification.. they cant make their mindes up

[YFred]

yes but turkey states they are for re unification then 5 seconds later they scream they want partition then they scream that partition is the only way then they say they are for re unification.. they cant make their mindes up

Palio, there is all sorts of re-unification, we just have to find the one that will upset the least number of people.

[EPSILON]

Here is a few home truths about the realities of Turkey and the European Union, spoken by no less than and Oxford Professor Tariq Ramadan and published in the Guardian today.

For all those who look to using the Turkish Accession negotiations in gaining an advantage in the Cyprus negotiations, sweet dreams.

For those who make out that Turkey has had it, with imminent economic collapse with the TCs thrown in to save the Turkish entry into the EU (The Ameriganos), sweet nightmares.

There is only one way forward and that is peaceful agreement that will satisfy most people so we can move on to pastures new.

Enjoy.

Turkey is part of Europe. Fear keeps it out of the EU
Sarkozy's argument won't wash. This great nation, a crucial link with the Muslim world, would be a major asset for the union
guardian.co.uk, Thursday 6 August 2009 20.00 BST
When on his recent visit to Turkey President Obama called for Turkish entry into the European Union, he put his finger on a strategic and cultural sore spot. The French president, Nicolas Sarkozy, speaking for the majority position in Europe, was quick to respond: Turkey may one day enjoy a privileged relationship with the EU, but full membership is out of the question. Turkey is not European – geographically or culturally.
Interpretations of the US stance are numerous and contradictory, but they highlight deep tensions within Europe on the issue. Some believe the US is concerned primarily with securing access to the energy reserves of the Caspian basin; others suspect Washington of using Turkish alignment with American policy (by way of Nato) to exert pressure on its European allies; still others see an attempt to weaken Europe by placing a Turkish economic, demographic and cultural millstone around its neck.
None of these hypotheses is wholly accurate or inaccurate. Nevertheless, they do reveal Europe's continuing contortions over its identity and its future. The Turkish question rarely figures in the foreground of European debate today, yet its spectre hovers over discussions of "European identity", "immigration" and the "Muslim question".
Political parties that call for an increasingly narrow view of Europe are gaining ground. These parties promote a strictly Judeo-Christian perspective of European history, mistrust of Islam, repressive hardline immigration policies and reject a Turkey they claim is overpopulated and excessively Muslim.

Europeans have become fearful. Economic crisis has brought with it calls for greater security and for protection of purchasing power, and from "foreigners" and "immigrants", who are seen as threatening financial stability and cultural homogeneity. Seen from this perspective, the Turkish question reveals both centripetal (a sense of "standing together" against outside threats) and centrifugal (a lack of shared strategic or foreign policy orientations) forces within the EU.
The arguments that locate Turkey outside European history and geography cannot withstand analysis. For more than four centuries the Ottoman empire shared and shaped the political and strategic future of the continent. During the late 19th and early 20th century, it became the "sick man of Europe". Even today, Turkey's historical and economic influence continues to be substantial.
No one is likely to be fooled by attempts to redraw the geographical boundaries of Europe for ideological or political purposes. If we were to apply the same criteria across the board, Cyprus would not be part of Europe. Such artificial distinctions ignore history, just as they ignore the realities of European society itself, where national origins, memories and cultures have long met and blended. Approximately 40% of Turkey's population is of European origin; millions of Turks have already acquired the nationality of a European country.

We must look elsewhere for the real issues, and we must look them in the eye. Instead of being obsessed by the question of culture and religion, European leaders would be better advised to develop a forward-looking strategic vision. Given its close ties with Iran, Syria, Iraq and central Asia, Turkey simply cannot be ignored. Its economic and military clout should be integrated into a European policy based on good-neighbourly relations and stability in Asia and the Middle East.
On two recent occasions the Turkish government has refused to bow to Washington, demonstrating a distinct capacity for independent action. Europe can hardly fault the US for its unilateral behaviour while failing to develop an autonomous foreign policy of its own. Where there should be a unified European voice, there is a discordant chorus. The US, China and India have no reason to fear European power. Divided, lacking a common policy, Europe succeeds only in working against itself.

Meanwhile, commercial ties between Turkey and the European countries have continued to expand. Between 1990 and 2003, Turkish imports from Europe grew threefold, while exports quadrupled. Better trade management within the framework of an EU-wide economic policy should make these ties stronger and more competitive. The countries of Europe are facing an acute, long-term manpower shortage. Writing in internal EU publications, some specialists now argue the labour market will require an additional 15 million workers in the next 20 years. Europe needs immigration. Instead of adopting restrictive immigration policies that would criminalise both undocumented and legal immigrants, the EU should be moving toward realistic and responsible regulation. In this light Turkey, with its human resources, would prove a powerful ally.
It is time for the countries of Europe to overcome their fear of Islam; time for them to stop turning Turkish EU membership into a cultural battleground. The only criteria to membership should be those of Copenhagen (1993) – and a European commission report (2004) mentioned that Turkey is very close to satisfying them. European politicians are ready to ignore their countries' long-term socioeconomic needs in order to respond to the short-term religious and cultural fears of their constituencies. Millions of women and men are already European and Muslim; Turkish EU membership would be nothing new, and present no dangers. Islam is, de facto, a European religion; culturally, politically and economically, Turkey forms an integral part of its future.

We need courageous European politicians who will develop a new vision of Turkish-EU relations, who will remind their citizens that Turkey, by virtue of its economic power, geography, history and natural position as go-between with the "Muslim world", is a major asset for Europe and for its future. Instead of waiting until historical necessity forces the EU to incorporate Turkey, European statesmen should be working together to develop a clear, reasonable policy leading to Turkish membership – one that would respect political principles and recognise cultural and religious diversity. Welcoming Turkey into the EU would mean Europe would have to reconcile itself with its own principles: the principles it has all too often betrayed in practice.

I am replying on the subject not the text ( i did not read it) - Turkey is part of nowhere.Turkey is Turkey - Europe is Europe. If Turkey want to be a member of Europe it must go on 500 years onward within a night.
Turkey is just a slow motion Anatolian state/ population which, by accident, happen some of its population to be dressed like Europeans.

[EPSILON]

yes but turkey states they are for re unification then 5 seconds later they scream they want partition then they scream that partition is the only way then they say they are for re unification.. they cant make their mindes up

Palio, there is all sorts of re-unification, we just have to find the one that will upset the least number of people.

RE-Unification is the secret policy of Turkey to legallize its invasion to a foreign state. G/cs leadership supporting this Turkish target for 35 years.
Greeks of Cyprus just waiting the geopolitic circustances to withthrawn this leadership and establish a patriotic/DFEMOCRATIC government which will defend all the rights of the Greeks of the Island- Till then "TRNC" can survive by the financial help of the bunkraft Turkish state.