Cyprus-Forum.com

[Get Real!]

The Exchange philosophy is really quite a good idea. It is such a shame that both sides are unable to make it work.

It’s a good idea in the eyes of those who can’t count!

There are FOUR TIMES as many GC refugees than TC refugees so what happens to the remaining ¾ of GC refugees who will have no TCs left to exchange with?

Oh dear... back to the old drawing board!

[Get Real!]

The TC have the right for self governance.

Where did you get that from?

They have no such right… it’s all in your heads.

[Oracle]

The Orams have reportedly been left without a lawyer

I guess they're trying to delay final judgement day.

What a cheap excuse!

[Oracle]

... It is already very clear to me that the Island suffers a lack of investment and opportunity because of its absence of stability and ability to resolve its political problems. ...

Yup I agree! .... The UK needs major investment and a new Leader!

[CBBB]

... It is already very clear to me that the Island suffers a lack of investment and opportunity because of its absence of stability and ability to resolve its political problems. ...

Yup I agree! .... The UK needs major investment and a new Leader!

Good one O!

[Kikapu]

After the Ercan judgement I see a shift in the approach of the British Justice System and now they seem to be more in line with their continental counterparts. Thus, after Ercan judgement I am expecting the Orams decision at the Court of Appeal to go against the Orams.

Such an outcome will not bring peace any closer to Cyprus. As far as property ownership is concenrned by foreigners in TRNC and ROC, the issue of title deeds is a mess on both sides of the border. In many cases the builder sold the house, collected the money and also mortgaged it to the bank and collected more "easy" money. The builder does not intend to pay the mortgage and is quite happy to let the bank sell the property. This is the mess on both sides of the border, it must be a Cypriot thing.

Coming back to Orams, the case has slowed the sale of houses to expats to almost a standstill. This is a welcome pause to give a chance to authorities to sort out the mess I mentioned above. It has also motivated the estate agents to look to other potential customers and the reports coming in show great interest from Russians, Iranians and Anatolian Turks. In fact there are new moves in TRNC parliament to allow Anatolian Turks to buy like any Turkish Cypriot without a need for permission. As far as the GCs are concerned, it reminds us of the saying "out of the frying pan into the fire". Would they rather have expats sitting on their land or the Anatolian Turks?
Cyprus is divided permanently now bar the shouting.

If the solicitors handling the Orams case have ceased to operate they will simply transfer to another one and the barristers defending the case still remain the same. So nothing much of importance there.
ismet

As far as the GCs are concerned, it reminds us of the saying "out of the frying pan into the fire". Would they rather have expats sitting on their land or the Anatolian Turks?

I must apologise to you, because I was under the impression from some of your posts on Cy44 that perhaps you were some kind of a legal profession, and if so, I would have expected certain degree of ethics, integrity and principles from you, but I guess I was mistaken with my interpretations of those posts in light of what you have written above.!

What difference does it make who violates others Human Rights, Elko.? Why are you being racists and discriminatory towards the Anatolian Turks.? Why should only the Expats have all the fun.? Perhaps you are suggesting that it is better for the GCs that their Human Rights are violated by the Expats than the Anatolians, not that there is any shortage of that going on already by either group.? How does that make any difference to the victims as to who is violating their Human Rights.? Your thought logic needs some attitude adjustment, because at the moment it stinks to high heaven.!

What will you do in the event someone very close to you is murdered or raped, Elko.? Will you accept being told, "Elko, look on the bright side that the perpetrator of this heinous crime is a friendly Expat and not someone from the GC community." Would you accept that argument and responds by saying, "Yeah, what I'm I so upset about. Thank God it was an Expat who murdered/raped my family member and not a GC. Boy, I feel so much better already."!!!

[roseandchan]

who in their right minds takes the uk gov to court, in the uk?. the ercan thing was always a no,no.
i don't see any shift in british justice, nothing changed.

its a shame as it would have made my life easier but i never expected it to happen.

i still believe the british system will back the ecj, i don't think they have any choice. they sent it to them to advise, and to avoid involvment. now they will just have to go with it.

[halil]

New lawyer for Orams couple.
Herbert Smith lawyer solicitors offices will take over the Orams case .
it was reported on Kibris postasi today.

http://www.kibrispostasi.com/index.php/ ... ame/KIBRIS

Also Cherrie Blair will still defending their case.

case will be on 11-12 november 2009.

[roseandchan]

thanks for the info halil, but i honestly don't see they have any defence left, other than in some way to counter claim the person who sold them the land in the first place. pass the buck so to speak just like the uk goverment have done.
it is one big mess but i do feel the trnc gov shoud be made to sort it out, not the orams.( not that they are friends of mine and i think they could have handled things better.) but it does need resolving.

[YFred]

thanks for the info halil, but i honestly don't see they have any defence left, other than in some way to counter claim the person who sold them the land in the first place. pass the buck so to speak just like the uk goverment have done.
it is one big mess but i do feel the trnc gov shoud be made to sort it out, not the orams.( not that they are friends of mine and i think they could have handled things better.) but it does need resolving.

Rose, it takes two to tango. RoC and TRNC have sat on their arses for 35 years, could have come to an agreement and chose not to. I don't blame the Orams or the TC that sold it to them.