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[elko]

Militiades,
I never claimed that a genocide took place in Cyprus before or after 1974. Denktash may have said so but I am not Denktash.

DT:
First of all I am not a spokeman for the Turkish Army or for Turkey. Secondly I do not think the Turkish army has committed any atrocities in Cyprus on a mass scale but I would not be suprised if a few unleasent incidents took place. I am not a blinded nationalist as most of you seem to be. I am happy to look at evidence when available and admit any wrong doing but unfortunately this forum is not a place for a calm discussion. The best place for that is the Cyprus List but I think we have exhausted all avenues there and now its pretty dormant. Over the eyars I have seen how people on Cyprus List matured but no signs of that yet on this forum. This is my sincere sentiments about this forum.
ismet

[EPSILON]

Militiades,
I never claimed that a genocide took place in Cyprus before or after 1974. Denktash may have said so but I am not Denktash.

DT:
First of all I am not a spokeman for the Turkish Army or for Turkey. Secondly I do not think the Turkish army has committed any atrocities in Cyprus on a mass scale but I would not be suprised if a few unleasent incidents took place. I am not a blinded nationalist as most of you seem to be. I am happy to look at evidence when available and admit any wrong doing but unfortunately this forum is not a place for a calm discussion. The best place for that is the Cyprus List but I think we have exhausted all avenues there and now its pretty dormant. Over the eyars I have seen how people on Cyprus List matured but no signs of that yet on this forum. This is my sincere sentiments about this forum.
ismet

If you are what you are stating then you should support clearly one solution in Cyprus. One state, one nationality-1 person =1 vote.like everywhere else in civilized world.All other are military minded solutions.

[Piratis]

elko, if you have any problem on how the Republic of Cyprus functions today then feel free to take Cyprus to the International Court of Justice. Apparently you know you are talking bollocks, which is why you would lose such case like all the rest, so instead you prefer to pretend you know it all when in fact you are clueless.

I hear you even predicted that you would win the case for the direct flights? You are such a genius!

[elko]

Epsilon,
Cyprus problem cannot be solved by slogans. One man one vote sounds very nice. In ten years time the population of TRNC may be greater than of ROC. Would you still accept union with one man one vote? Don't bother to answer, it was rhetorical
ismet

[EPSILON]

Epsilon,
Cyprus problem cannot be solved by slogans. One man one vote sounds very nice. In ten year time the population of TRNC may be greater than of ROC. Would you still accept union with one man one vote? Don't bother to answer, it was rhetorical
ismet

I am insisting on one person 1 vote even Turks in Cyprus are 10 million- We must decide whether we are going to create a democratic state or a banania.

[Get Real!]

So this is what happens to a man who dares to tell the truth. Did I hear anybody denying anything? Of course not, the only answer is to fabricate lies about the Turkish army.

The “truth” is not only about the drop in the ocean of TC victims, but the THOUSANDS of murders committed by YOUR PEOPLE against Greek Cypriots which this 2-cent documentary attempts to undermine. Putting things into perspective is a well known convenient TC shortcoming…

In any war some wrongs are done on both sides. Iraq in our time is no exception. The Greek Cypriot Propaganda Machine is now world famous for its lies on a mass scale. Put that to one side.

The UN and the Red Cross verify the numbers of victims and atrocities you committed claimed by the RoC, so it’s not a case of a “GC Propaganda Machine” as you put it but your ignorance and/or denial of facts.

Can't you just acknowledge what Tony has laid infront of your eyes and simply say sorry instead of fabricating lies to justify it in an indirect way?

Sure, here's what I think of you and Tony...

The way forward is to acknowledge all wrong doings, admit them and really feel sorry instead of storing up hatred mostly based on your own lies. We have a saying in Turkish: If you repeat a lie 40 times you begin to believe it yourself.

Right, so when do you plan to start apologizing to your thousands of victims?

I am sorry but I see no hope with you lot and the only solution is official separation. Call it divorce. Not my choice but the result of your silly acts. The comrades Chris and Talat are trying in vain, I pity their efforts.

You are more than welcome to paddle back to Turkey where you came from but be warned… if you ever plan to invade Cyprus again this time there’ll be plenty of buckshot waiting for your sorry Ottoman arse because the one-sided "wars" are over.

[Kikapu]

Epsilon,
Cyprus problem cannot be solved by slogans. One man one vote sounds very nice. In ten years time the population of TRNC may be greater than of ROC. Would you still accept union with one man one vote? Don't bother to answer, it was rhetorical
ismet

Elko,

I still waiting for you to answer my question for you from yesterday.

As to your comment above, it is not rhetorical at all, since anyone entering any country from any illegal ports, are acting illegally, therefore they can only be deemed as Illegal Aliens who have no rights to be considered as a citizens, therefore they do not have any voting rights whether they will remain in Cyprus or not when ever a unification may take place. Unless you have forgotten, the whole island is part of the RoC, or else, what's to stop Turkey from shipping over 1,000,000 Turks tomorrow to the island and then agree to a True Democratic solution.?

Which country in the world do you know, where Illegal Aliens can come into any country illegally and then be granted automatic citizenship and be allowed to vote. I know this practiced has been going in the north for a while, but the north does not count as a country as far as the UN, EU or the rest of the world is concerned. In some countries they are given certain rights, like the USA, but not citizenships to vote, except for the children who are born in the USA, regardless of their parents legal status. The RoC does not even have those rights for the children born in Cyprus to non Cypriot families, or worse, to illegal aliens, and I believe neither does Turkey and many other countries either. Just by having more Turks in Cyprus does not mean more votes for the TCs , no, it just means more Illegal Aliens in Cyprus without any voting rights, that’s all. The same applies in the south, and most are in the country legally, but do not have a voting rights, because they are not citizens of the RoC.!

[Piratis]

Get Real:

Tony was banned from all Cyprus media

So this is what happens to a man who dares to tell the truth. Did I hear anybody denying anything? Of course not, the only answer is to fabricate lies about the Turkish army.

In any war some wrongs are done on both sides. Iraq in our time is no exception. The Greek Cypriot Propaganda Machine is now world famous for its lies on a mass scale. Put that to one side. Can't you just acknowledge what Tony has laid infront of your eyes and simply say sorry instead of fabricating lies to justify it in an indirect way?

The way forward is to acknowledge all wrong doings, admit them and really feel sorry instead of storing up hatred mostly based on your own lies. We have a saying in Turkish: If you repeat a lie 40 times you begin to believe it yourself.

I am sorry but I see no hope with you lot and the only solution is official separation. Call it divorce. Not my choice but the result of your silly acts. The comrades Chris and Talat are trying in vain, I pity their efforts.
ismet

So you know and you always knew for a fact that "In any war some wrongs are done on both sides". So yes, during the conflict and war which YOU STARTED and where you caused to us far more casualties, far more suffering for far longer periods, we commited some wrongs as well, and this is something you knew it would happen even before you attacked us since as you said "In any war some wrongs are done on both sides". We never said that no TC was ever killed and that TCs never suffered. But the fact you want to ignore is that it has always been the TCs and Turks who started the conflicts and the wars during which inevitably both sides had casualties and suffered.

Lets start with the inter-communal conflict. I could even go 80 years before that and show how the Cypriot people were again oppressed by the Turks, but lets forget that for now.

1958, the TCs collaborate with the foreign Imperialists and attack Greek Cypriots starting the inter-communal conflict. They create a plan for the annihilation of the majority of Cypriots from half of their island (A plan which they put into action some years later) and along with the foreign Imperialists blackmail the Cypriot people and demand gains on our expense (bases for the Imperialists, Ottoman Style privileges for their accomplices, the TC minority)



That is how the inter-communal conflict started. It resulted in casualties and suffering from both sides. As you said "In any war some wrongs are done on both sides" so who is the guilty party is the one who started the conflict. Nobody disputes that TCs had casulties during the conflict they started but that was inevitable. You can't expect that you can attack us, kill us, violate our rights, and suffer no casualties yourselves.

Then in 1974 Turkey invades Cyprus, killing 1000s of innocent people, raping women and under age girls and ethnically cleansing 100s of thousands of Cypriots (the plan they had since the 50s)

The excuse that the Turkish propaganda gives is that Turkey invaded to "save the TCs who were being killed", which is nothing more than a big fat lie. In 1974 NO TC was killed before 20th of July when Turkey with the help of TMT invaded and started to kill and ethnically cleanse the majority of Cypriots. The several 1000s of GC casualties and the couple of 100s of TC casualties during that war were the RESULT the Turkish invasion. Turkey and TCs started a war and they didn't even stop when UN issued a resolution the same day demanding the withdrawal of all foreign troops and the respect of the sovereignty of Cyprus. And then you come to blame us because in the war which you started and which you continued against UN resolutions, you also had some (very few compared to ours) casualties?

I am sorry but I see no hope with you lot and the only solution is official separation. Call it divorce. Not my choice but the result of your silly acts.

No mate, what happened is mostly the result of YOUR criminal acts. If you want a "divorce" then feel free to go back from where you came from. We were never asked if we wanted to "marry" you. It is more like a constant rape of the Turks against our island than a "marriage" and what we want is for your crimes to stop so we will be able to enjoy our island in peace and democracy (things you never allowed)

[shahmaran]

Oh god here they come!

[EU Ctzn]

Miltiades,
Thaqn you for postinfg the link to the lausanne treaty of Peace 1923.
If we were to abide precisely with this age old treaty then many of the "Greek Islands" should be handed over to the Italians.

Should Cyprus be handed back to the Venetians, Romans, Ottermans?

Many clauses in this age old treaty have been either overruled, replaced or have just become inafectual.

I think more modern proposals such as those of Anan should carry more creedence.