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[elko]

Quote from "Get Real"

elko wrote:
Until the point of annexation all the inhabitants of Cyprus had Turkish Nationality.

Utter rubbish! Only Turkish Cypriots had Turkish nationality which is why the Treaty of Lausanne only mentions THEM as losing it to acquire the British.

Get Real,
First of all congrtatulations for your name, I think its very apt. I hope you live up to it very soon
During the Ottoman rule, would you be kind enough to tell me about the nationality of the Greek Cypriots? Did they have Greek Nationality, British, Russian or American? When the annexation by the British were recognized, Turkish Cypriots, as distinc from others" were offered the option to keep their Turkish Nationality provided they left the island within a certain time. I think I am wasting my time on you. Do you see the reason why I don't write often here? Do you see why I rightly so call this place a lunatic assylum? I write on C44, on VO and lots of other places, in short I write whereever I find sensible people. I try this place occasionally but every time I am disappointed. The same old, the same old again and again. Don't you have better things to do rather than regurgitate what you have been wrongly taught at school? I give up once again!!!

[EPSILON]

Plus the fact that Cyprus was rented or annexed or whatever is irrelevant as Turkey had kept her guarantor rights over the island either way...

Nope! Technically, Turkey had and has ZERO rights on Cyprus.

It was the spiteful British that dragged Turkey back into the scene to piss Makarios off.

Did Turkey have guarantor rights or not?

Yes it had.But

AA. Any guarantor action should be attened together with the other two guarantors (as from 24July1974 Greece was entitled again this right -unfortunatetly by stupid politicians -Named Themselves Gread leaders afterwards!!! and

BB.As from the day Cleridis took power any guarantor action became illegal.

[Get Real!]

Get Real, First of all congrtatulations for your name, I think its very apt. I hope you live up to it very soon

Your C44 one liners don't work in the CF dude, you'll have to use your knowledge but it doesn't look likely in this post either...

Btw, I see you’ve opted to ignore all other important issues and went for the “nationality” bit in the hope that you’ll score a brownie point to save face but against unkie GR you’re fucked one way or the other so fasten your seatbelt…

During the Ottoman rule, would you be kind enough to tell me about the nationality of the Greek Cypriots? Did they have Greek Nationality, British, Russian or American?

Are you implying that the Ottoman Empire was a "nation" and could thus provide a "nationality" to all those under her rule?

What is a “nation”?

1. A relatively large group of people organized under a single, usually independent government; a country.
2. The territory occupied by such a group of people: All across the nation, people are voting their representatives out.
3. The government of a sovereign state.

http://education.yahoo.com/reference/di ... try/nation


What is ‘nationality”?

1. The status of belonging to a particular nation by origin, birth, or naturalization.
2. A people having common origins or traditions and often constituting a nation.
3. Existence as a politically autonomous entity; national independence.
http://education.yahoo.com/reference/di ... ationality

When the annexation by the British were recognized, Turkish Cypriots, as distinc from others" were offered the option to keep their Turkish Nationality provided they left the island within a certain time.

You seem to have shot yourself in the foot here... why were the TCs "distinct" if all Cypriots had Turkish nationality? And why were Greek Cypriots allowed to keep their alleged "Turkish Nationality" seeing there is no mention of them losing it in the Treaty of Lausanne?

Give it up dude… you’re just making a dork of yourself!

I think I am wasting my time on you. Do you see the reason why I don't write often here?

Yes, it's because you're incompetent.

Do you see why I rightly so call this place a lunatic assylum?

Yup, it's very easy for someone to expose you due to your lack of knowledge, so you're naturally afraid of us.

I write on C44, on VO and lots of other places, in short I write whereever I find sensible people. I try this place occasionally but every time I am disappointed. The same old, the same old again and again. Don't you have better things to do rather than regurgitate what you have been wrongly taught at school? I give up once again!!!

Dude, you don’t stand a chance here with your manufactured misinformation and that’s the ONLY reason why you can’t survive on the CF.

PS: Start using paragraphs, learn how to quote properly, and learn how to spell because your posts are like those of a 15 year old!

[MrH]

Yeah! Force by the Greek Military Junta of 15th July 1974. What a bunch of fools.

[elko]

Get Real wrote:

PS: Start using paragraphs, learn how to quote properly, and learn how to spell because your posts are like those of a 15 year old!

What better proof that I should not waste my time here!!! Get Real mate, if you can but I doubt it.
ismet

[Get Real!]

Get Real wrote:

PS: Start using paragraphs, learn how to quote properly, and learn how to spell because your posts are like those of a 15 year old!

What better proof that I should not waste my time here!!! Get Real mate, if you can but I doubt it.
ismet

Run along and go lick your wounds in C44, and in future think twice before you foolishly assume you’ve got an average IQ!

[elko]

Get Real wrote:

PS: Start using paragraphs, learn how to quote properly, and learn how to spell because your posts are like those of a 15 year old!

What better proof that I should not waste my time here!!! Get Real mate, if you can but I doubt it.
ismet

Run along and go lick your wounds in C44, and in future think twice before you foolishly assume you’ve got an average IQ!

Typical childish behaviour not capable of any serious discussion and no humour either. Its people like you, so called narrow sighted Greek Cypriot Nationalists harming the future of your fellow Greek Cypriots. I know that there are many serious minded ones amongst you but they are afraid to speak up. What a shame. I hope you are not a Phafian because we are more sensible than most
ismet

[kentish]

when Get Real is stumped he often refers to ones standard of english,level of IQ (as if he knows what this is) and the style of sentencing and paragraphing (as if this forum is meant to be read as a literary masterpiece)
by the way GR some 15 year olds are extremely bright and can spell very well.i very much doubt that you can tell someones age from their standard of spelling.i hope my lack of capital letters annoy you.oh and finally another thing you do when you are stumped is to start swearing.if you resort to swearing in print,my god ,what an idiot,it shows a complete lack of control and proof of loss of debating skills.debate on this forum ? who are you kidding

[kurupetos]

Get Real wrote:

PS: Start using paragraphs, learn how to quote properly, and learn how to spell because your posts are like those of a 15 year old!

What better proof that I should not waste my time here!!! Get Real mate, if you can but I doubt it.
ismet

Run along and go lick your wounds in C44, and in future think twice before you foolishly assume you’ve got an average IQ!

Typical childish behaviour not capable of any serious discussion and no humour either. Its people like you, so called narrow sighted Greek Cypriot Nationalists harming the future of your fellow Greek Cypriots. I know that there are many serious minded ones amongst you but they are afraid to speak up. What a shame. I hope you are not a Phafian because we are more sensible than most
ismet

what is a phafian?

[EU Ctzn]

Some very interesting and provocative postings.
I must compliment Elko for his substantive and truthfull posts. My understanding of Turkish, and British involvement is substantiated by Elkos postings.
It is very clear that the Turks have an undeniable right in law and constitutionally to participate in the Governance of Cyprus. the ROc has a similar right. The Turkish right however was stolen fron them by the Greek supported Makarios, Sampson and the like of "Eoka" and "B". The ROC ,administration in my view continue to aspire to erradicate Turkish rights by stealth. This is wrong in law and this aspiration continues to feed the fire of hate, failure, depression, anger, and vengence. All the attributes that any sucessfull, prosperous community will most urgently wish to escape from.

It is due time that both sides of this no win situ,ation take stock and relinquish their claims against and hatred for their counterparts and neighbours. Let both sides have their nation and be proud of it. Live and let Live. You will soon be dead. Happy or Unhappy? I see no winners in this war. Many people including children suffered great loss in the 60,s. Those who keep the flames of hatred fed deserve to die by the same flames. These people need to dig deep and work towards acceptance of their position;build upon it and prepare the next generation for Peace, tollerance, prosperity and hapiness. It is really that basic. Who on this forum would sign up?