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[Get Real!]

My dear, Cyprus was rented to the British by the Ottomans and later on when the Ottomans sided with Germany in WW1, Britain "annexed" the island I think in 1914.

That's only part of the story! You conveniently forgot the 1923 Treaty of Lausanne whereby Turkey abandoned all claims to Cyprus, and the Turkish Cypriots their "Tukishness"...

ARTICLE 20.
Turkey hereby recognises the annexation of Cyprus proclaimed by the British Government on the sth November, 1914.

ARTICLE 2I .
Turkish nationals ordinarily resident in Cyprus on the 5th November, 1914, will acquire British nationality subject to the conditions laid down in the local law, and will thereupon lose their Turkish nationality. They will, however, have the right to opt for Turkish nationality within two years from the coming into force of the present Treaty, provided that they leave Cyprus within twelve months after having so opted.
Turkish nationals ordinarily resident in Cyprus on the coming into force of the present Treaty who, at that date, have acquired or are in process of acquiring British nationality in consequence of a request made in accordance with the local law, will also thereupon lose their Turkish nationality.
It is understood that the Government of Cyprus will be entitled to refuse British nationality to inhabitants of the island who, being Turkish nationals, had formerly acquired another nationality without the consent of the Turkish Government.

http://wwi.lib.byu.edu/index.php/Treaty_of_Lausanne

Now learn this "annex" word very well because after some time, Turkey might do just that to North Cyprus and show two fingers to Europe!!

You overestimate Turkey! When Britain used to go round annexing it was in another time prior to the existence of the UN when such things were considered ok and a time when Britain was a great power. Turkey has neither of these advantages and is still considered a 3rd world country.

The other point is the 20-80 ratio mentioned in London and Zurich agreements.

Incorrect! The only ratio that was part of the London/Zurich agreements was a 30:70 for the House of Representatives which the Turkish Cypriots abandoned and are now down to zero.

I think the true ratio at the moment is 40-60 and the gap is closing down very fast.

I don't think so. Turkish Cypriots may fantasize all they want but what they'll actually get is a different thing altogether.

So if you want an agreement to the Cyprus problem, the Comrades (Chris and Talat) better act very quickly, not much time left. I hope I do not have to come here again in a few years time and tell you that I told you so. The writing is on the wall.
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The RoC has all the time in the world but I can't say the same for the dwindling and bankrupt Turkish Cypriots...

[Get Real!]

Hello my friends, I am back again to see how the business is in this fine and very humorous lunatic assylum. I see that nothing has changed.

With your limited knowledge on the CyProb you can’t survive here anyway.

[shahmaran]

Actually not true GR.

You can wait all you like but eventually you are going to have to deal with 100s of thousands of Kurds and Eastern Turks instead of us and you will wish the TC's were there

Plus the fact that Cyprus was rented or annexed or whatever is irrelevant as Turkey had kept her guarantor rights over the island either way and rightfully exercised this right when all of you were just going to watch your motherland slaughter every single one of us.

So who cares?

[DT.]

Actually not true GR.

You can wait all you like but eventually you are going to have to deal with 100s of thousands of Kurds and Eastern Turks instead of us and you will wish the TC's were there

Shah...before that bothers us...don;t you think

100s of thousands of Kurds and Eastern Turks instead of us

will bother you a little more?

You're warning us about having to deal with these people and you can't see that in this warning your community has vanished from the island?

[shahmaran]

Actually not true GR.

You can wait all you like but eventually you are going to have to deal with 100s of thousands of Kurds and Eastern Turks instead of us and you will wish the TC's were there

Shah...before that bothers us...don;t you think

100s of thousands of Kurds and Eastern Turks instead of us

will bother you a little more?

You're warning us about having to deal with these people and you can't see that in this warning your community has vanished from the island?

Do you seriously think, DT, that you are offering us a better option?

[DT.]

Actually not true GR.

You can wait all you like but eventually you are going to have to deal with 100s of thousands of Kurds and Eastern Turks instead of us and you will wish the TC's were there

Shah...before that bothers us...don;t you think

100s of thousands of Kurds and Eastern Turks instead of us

will bother you a little more?

You're warning us about having to deal with these people and you can't see that in this warning your community has vanished from the island?

Do you seriously think, DT, that you are offering us a better option?

I think you guys don't know what you're talking about.

If you think that after all this progress this country has done that massacres and wars are whats on peoples minds then you deserve what you get. We won't accept a turkish army threatening everything we;ve built and worked for, we won't accept undemocratic conditions that will only lead to trouble later but we will accept turkish cypriots as equal citizens to shut the f*** up and get there heads down with us to make this country better than it is.

On the other hand, stay as you are and as you admit your community will vanish, which is your worst case scenario anyway.

[Get Real!]

Plus the fact that Cyprus was rented or annexed or whatever is irrelevant as Turkey had kept her guarantor rights over the island either way...

Nope! Technically, Turkey had and has ZERO rights on Cyprus.

It was the spiteful British that dragged Turkey back into the scene to piss Makarios off.

[shahmaran]

Actually not true GR.

You can wait all you like but eventually you are going to have to deal with 100s of thousands of Kurds and Eastern Turks instead of us and you will wish the TC's were there

Shah...before that bothers us...don;t you think

100s of thousands of Kurds and Eastern Turks instead of us

will bother you a little more?

You're warning us about having to deal with these people and you can't see that in this warning your community has vanished from the island?

Do you seriously think, DT, that you are offering us a better option?

I think you guys don't know what you're talking about.

If you think that after all this progress this country has done that massacres and wars are whats on peoples minds then you deserve what you get. We won't accept a turkish army threatening everything we;ve built and worked for, we won't accept undemocratic conditions that will only lead to trouble later but we will accept turkish cypriots as equal citizens to shut the f*** up and get there heads down with us to make this country better than it is.

On the other hand, stay as you are and as you admit your community will vanish, which is your worst case scenario anyway.

We cannot be equal citizens under your democracy, that is a fact!

It is funny how when you consider the root of the probleim being "ethnic differences", all that is suddenly put to a side and we are supposed to join our "Cypriot" brothers and fight off the evil Turks.

How come we were not brothers before they invaded?!

I, personally do not oppose Turk's from Turkey, some do annoy me yes, but that is just my hate towards ignorant, uneducated and religious people, they could come from any land, as I am sure many exist down South too.

Anyways when it all boils down, it does not really matter what you accept or you don't as you have no autonomy over the North and regardless of what you think or do, we will be here doing our thing, which is something we could never have if we joint the South.

[shahmaran]

Plus the fact that Cyprus was rented or annexed or whatever is irrelevant as Turkey had kept her guarantor rights over the island either way...

Nope! Technically, Turkey had and has ZERO rights on Cyprus.

It was the spiteful British that dragged Turkey back into the scene to piss Makarios off.

Did Turkey have guarantor rights or not?

[DT.]

Actually not true GR.

You can wait all you like but eventually you are going to have to deal with 100s of thousands of Kurds and Eastern Turks instead of us and you will wish the TC's were there

Shah...before that bothers us...don;t you think

100s of thousands of Kurds and Eastern Turks instead of us

will bother you a little more?

You're warning us about having to deal with these people and you can't see that in this warning your community has vanished from the island?

Do you seriously think, DT, that you are offering us a better option?

I think you guys don't know what you're talking about.

If you think that after all this progress this country has done that massacres and wars are whats on peoples minds then you deserve what you get. We won't accept a turkish army threatening everything we;ve built and worked for, we won't accept undemocratic conditions that will only lead to trouble later but we will accept turkish cypriots as equal citizens to shut the f*** up and get there heads down with us to make this country better than it is.

On the other hand, stay as you are and as you admit your community will vanish, which is your worst case scenario anyway.

We cannot be equal citizens under your democracy, that is a fact!

It is funny how when you consider the root of the probleim being "ethnic differences", all that is suddenly put to a side and we are supposed to join our "Cypriot" brothers and fight off the evil Turks.

How come we were not brothers before they invaded?!

I, personally do not oppose Turk's from Turkey, some do annoy me yes, but that is just my hate towards ignorant, uneducated and religious people, they could come from any land, as I am sure many exist down South too.

Anyways when it all boils down, it does not really matter what you accept or you don't as you have no autonomy over the North and regardless of what you think or do, we will be here doing our thing, which is something we could never have if we joint the South.

Don't misunderstand. You're not being asked to join the south. You're being fought from every angle and every possible means to return our land. What you choose to do if there's a settlement on the problem of the turkish millitary occupation of our land is up to you. If the settlement is an attractive one to you then you will rejoin the country.