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Postby EPSILON » Wed Aug 05, 2009 11:50 am

Σκηνικό Ιμίων στη Ρω

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Ένταση παρόμοια με αυτή των Ιμίων επιχειρούν οι Τούρκοι, αυτή τη φορά στο νησί Ρω, κοντά στο Καστελόριζο. Χθες, τρεις Τούρκοι δημοσιογράφοι συνοδευόμενοι από δύο άλλα άτομα επιχείρησαν να προσεγγίσουν τη νήσο Ρω με τουριστικό σκάφος.



Επί τόπου βρέθηκε περιπολικό του Λιμενικού Σώματος και λίγο αργότερα φουσκωτό σκάφος της τουρκικής Ακτοφυλακής. Πραγματοποιήθηκε έλεγχος και οι πέντε Τούρκοι επέστρεψαν στα μικρασιατικά παράλια.



Με ανακοίνωσή του ο αρχηγός του Λιμενικού Σώματος αντιναύαρχος Θεόδωρος Ρεντζεπέρης, επιβεβαίωσε πως χθες, εντοπίστηκε εντός των ελληνικών χωρικών υδάτων και συγκεκριμένα στη θαλάσσια περιοχή πλησίον της νησίδος Ρω, τουρκικό τουριστικό σκάφος.



«Πραγματοποιήθηκε ο συνήθης αστυνομικός έλεγχος του σκάφους, που έφερε το όνομα «Pony», στο οποίο επέβαιναν εκτός του κυβερνήτη, τέσσερα άτομα, όλοι Τούρκοι υπήκοοι, τα οποία κατά δήλωσή τους, είχαν την ιδιότητα του δημοσιογράφου».



Μετά την ολοκλήρωση του ελέγχου και αφού τους συστήθηκε η άμεση αποχώρηση από τα ελληνικά χωρικά ύδατα, το σκάφος απέπλευσε στις 18:10.



Στην περιοχή έσπευσε και σκάφος της τουρκικής Ακτοφυλακής που παρακολουθούσε τις εξελίξεις διακριτικά σε απόσταση.



Η Τουρκία θεωρεί το νησί Ρω γκρίζα ζώνη και ισχυρίζεται ότι δεν ανήκει σε κανένα με βάση τη Συνθήκη των Παρισίων. Σύμφωνα με τουρκικά ΜΜΕ, η Ελλάδα έστειλε στο νησί 1000 άντρες των ειδικών δυνάμεων και οικειοποιήθηκε όπως ισχυρίζονται το νησί Ρω.



Σύμφωνα με τα τουρκικά μέσα ενημέρωσης στο τουρκικό σκάφος επέβαιναν δύο δημοσιογράφοι του ιδιωτικού τουρκικού πρακτορείου ειδήσεων Ihlas, ένας δημοσιογράφος της Sabah, ο οδηγός του και ο καπετάνιος του σκάφους.



Το θέμα αποτέλεσε κεντρική είδηση στα τουρκικά μέσα ενημέρωσης, πολλά εκ των οποίων έκαναν λόγο για «απροσδιόριστου κυριότητας» νησί επί του οποίου οι Τούρκοι δημοσιογράφοι «εντόπισαν στρατιωτικό φυλάκιο, κτίρια και εκκλησία».



Την είδηση μετέδωσε και το πρακτορείο Reuters, το οποίο επικαλούμενο το τουρκικό πρακτορείο ειδήσεων Anadolu, αναπαρήγαγε τον ισχυρισμό περί «διαφιλονικούμενης» νήσου. Σε λίγη ώρα ωστόσο έστειλε δεύτερο τηλεγράφημα με το οποίο διόρθωσε την αρχική λανθασμένη διατύπωση.






05/08/2009

The time bacame very short
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Postby Nikitas » Wed Aug 05, 2009 11:59 am

This is the usual technique of ratcheting up the pressure during the tourist season. The incident in Ro is not the only one, thre are similar incidents very day, often several a day all along the sea frontier in the eastern Aegean.

A few days back a ship was harassed by a Turkish coastguard boat near Rhodos. I wonder how the officious captain of that boat felt when a couple of hundred passengers gave him the finger in various national styles. Then the captain of the Greek vessel started turning towards the fragile patrol boat and they left, a move accompanied by much laughter from the tourists on board. One of these days one of these little floatintg pests will be stamped on by a tug or other heavy ship and they will be crying foul.
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Postby EPSILON » Wed Aug 05, 2009 12:08 pm

Nikitas wrote:This is the usual technique of ratcheting up the pressure during the tourist season. The incident in Ro is not the only one, thre are similar incidents very day, often several a day all along the sea frontier in the eastern Aegean.

A few days back a ship was harassed by a Turkish coastguard boat near Rhodos. I wonder how the officious captain of that boat felt when a couple of hundred passengers gave him the finger in various national styles. Then the captain of the Greek vessel started turning towards the fragile patrol boat and they left, a move accompanied by much laughter from the tourists on board. One of these days one of these little floatintg pests will be stamped on by a tug or other heavy ship and they will be crying foul.


I heart that chiefs in Greek "pentagono" have started to became very anxius and angry during the last two weeks.Something also is changing in Greek airforce headqaurters. It seems that the case of oil explorations will be very soon a very hard game.
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Postby Nikitas » Wed Aug 05, 2009 1:49 pm

Not anxious, just determined that this time there will be no pushing around. The Greek airforce has sent some loud messages in the last two weeks. They must have been received because the overflights at Agathonis and Farmakonisi suddenly stopped.

They tried it on with Ro again yesterday and again, the readiness thwarted another Imia nonsense.

After last week's exercises it must have become obviouis that things are not as easy as some in Ankara had thought.
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Postby DT. » Wed Aug 05, 2009 1:53 pm

Nikitas wrote:Not anxious, just determined that this time there will be no pushing around. The Greek airforce has sent some loud messages in the last two weeks. They must have been received because the overflights at Agathonis and Farmakonisi suddenly stopped.

They tried it on with Ro again yesterday and again, the readiness thwarted another Imia nonsense.

After last week's exercises it must have become obviouis that things are not as easy as some in Ankara had thought.


Its about time they showed some backbone. If they can only keep Karamanlis out of this so that he doesn't f*** up anything then there's a bigger chance of turkey learning a valuable lesson in the Aegean.
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Postby BOF » Wed Aug 05, 2009 2:53 pm

Piratis wrote:
BOF wrote:sorry but i understood the language of the forum is English......

However dont beleive everything you read in 'Phil' its the equivelant to the British Daily Mail and thats just a scare mongering rag :roll:
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How do you know that if you can't read Greek ;)

Elementary my dear Watson : google then translate.......

RAFAELLA - thank you for adding the rough translation - i can now understand what is happening regarding Lim crossing point and the Harbour.
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Postby EPSILON » Wed Aug 05, 2009 3:01 pm

BOF wrote:
Piratis wrote:
BOF wrote:sorry but i understood the language of the forum is English......

However dont beleive everything you read in 'Phil' its the equivelant to the British Daily Mail and thats just a scare mongering rag :roll:
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How do you know that if you can't read Greek ;)

Elementary my dear Watson : google then translate.......

RAFAELLA - thank you for adding the rough translation - i can now understand what is happening regarding Lim crossing point and the Harbour.


Inrelevant question-what kind of flag in your picture? Is the new proposed Cyprus flag for the next solution plan?China and Pakistan will also be guarantors?
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Postby Lit » Wed Aug 05, 2009 3:14 pm

Nikitas wrote:Not anxious, just determined that this time there will be no pushing around. The Greek airforce has sent some loud messages in the last two weeks. They must have been received because the overflights at Agathonis and Farmakonisi suddenly stopped.

They tried it on with Ro again yesterday and again, the readiness thwarted another Imia nonsense.

After last week's exercises it must have become obviouis that things are not as easy as some in Ankara had thought.


http://www.easybourse.com/bourse/actual ... try-714233

ATHENS (AFP)--Coast guards carried out a routine check when they briefly held Turkish journalists as they were filming Greek soldiers on a rocky islet close to the Turkish coast, the merchant marine ministry here said.
Greek media described Tuesday's incident as "another Turkish provocation."
The three reporters had approached the islet of Rho - Karada in Turkish - on a fishing boat when they were intercepted and held for an hour by the Greek coast guard, Turkey's Anatolia news agency said Tuesday.
They were later allowed to sail back to Turkey.
The Turkish sailing boat "was spotted at 5:35 pm (1435 GMT) in Greek waters in the Rho islet region", west of the Greek island of Castellorizo, the ministry said in a statement late Tuesday.
The coast guards "carried out the usual police check of the boat, named PONY, on which four people, all Turks, and the skipper had embarked; they said they were journalists for television network IHA", the statement said quoting the harbor master, Vice-Admiral Theodoros Rentzeperis.
The coast guards "asked the five men to leave Greek territorial waters immediately and the boat left the area around 6:10 pm (1510 GMT)", it said.
One of the reporters, Sabri Caglar from Ihlas news agency, told Anatolia on Tuesday: "They made us wait on our own boat ... They asked us why we were filming the islet and inspected our cameras ... They said we needed permission from the Greek foreign ministry to film the islet."
Tuesday's incident came atop press reports of recent Greek military activity on Rho, which lies next to the Greek island of Megisti, close to the Turkish holiday resort of Kas.
NATO allies Turkey and Greece have significantly improved their thorny relations over the past decade but remain at loggerheads over territorial disputes in the Aegean and the divided island of Cyprus.
Since January 2002, diplomats have been holding regular closed-door talks over territorial issues, but no progress has been reported and mutual accusations of violations continue.
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Postby Lit » Wed Aug 05, 2009 3:16 pm

http://www.financialmirror.com/News/Cyp ... News/16859

The Greek coastguard stopped a group of Turkish journalists and the captain of their boat as they attempted to take photographs near the Greek island of Rho on Tuesday, Turkish and Greek officials said.

The journalists were questioned by the Greek coastguard until contact was made with the Turkish coastguard, when they were returned to the Turkish seaside resort of Kas, the Turkish Foreign Ministry said in a statement.

"There was no situation such as Greek authorities detaining the Turkish journalists," the statement said.

Turkey's state-run Anatolian news agency cited one of the journalists, Bekir Oner San, as saying the group had been briefly detained near the island, called Karaada in Turkish, and were told not to use their mobile phones before they were released.

The group had attempted to film Greek military personnel on the island, Anatolian said.

Greek authorities also said the group had not been detained. A Greek patrol boat intercepted the journalists as they neared Rho and checked their identification without boarding the boat, the officials said.

"Today at 17:35 (local time) we spotted a Turkish boat near the island of Rho," Theodoros Rentzeperis, chief of the Greek coastguard, said in a statement

"We went to check it, and after that we asked them to leave Greek waters immediately. The Turkish boat left at 18:10."

Rho is close to the Dodecanese island of Kastelorizo, Greece's eastern-most island located 1.3 kilometres (0.9 miles) off the Turkish coast.

A Greek Foreign Ministry official said Rho's territory is not in dispute.

Historical rivals Turkey and Greece nearly went to war in 1996 over control of the uninhabited island of Imia, or Kardak in Turkish.

Relations have since improved significantly and Greece now backs its Muslim neighbour's bid to join the European Union.

Nearly a decade of negotiations over their territorial disputes have yielded little progress towards a settlement. The two nations are also in dispute over the divided island of Cyprus.
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Postby EPSILON » Thu Aug 06, 2009 8:23 pm

DT. wrote:
Nikitas wrote:Not anxious, just determined that this time there will be no pushing around. The Greek airforce has sent some loud messages in the last two weeks. They must have been received because the overflights at Agathonis and Farmakonisi suddenly stopped.

They tried it on with Ro again yesterday and again, the readiness thwarted another Imia nonsense.

After last week's exercises it must have become obviouis that things are not as easy as some in Ankara had thought.


Its about time they showed some backbone. If they can only keep Karamanlis out of this so that he doesn't f*** up anything then there's a bigger chance of turkey learning a valuable lesson in the Aegean.


He did it (Karamanlis) today!!He changed all the high chiefs . I told you we have to hire some Turkish politicians!!!
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