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Postby RAFAELLA » Tue Aug 04, 2009 4:03 pm

O εξευτελισμός Χριστόφια και τα επιβαλλόμενα αντίποινα

| Εκτύπωση | 04/08/2009 | ΜΕ ΤΟΝ ΣΑΒΒΑ ΙΑΚΩΒΙΔΗ

ΤΟ ΑΝΟΙΓΜΑ του οδοφράγματος του Λιμνίτη και όσα επακολούθησαν, συνιστούν τον πιο αποκρουστικό και εξοργιστικό εξευτελισμό της ελληνικής κυπριακής πλευράς από την Τουρκία και το φρουρό της κατοχής, Ταλάτ. Πριν από 14 μήνες, Χριστόφιας και Ταλάτ συμφώνησαν ταυτόχρονο άνοιγμα της Λήδρας και του Λιμνίτη. Υποτίθεται ότι, τότε, δεν ήταν στη μέση ο… κακός Τάσσος, αλλ’ ο ευέλικτος και Πρόεδρος λύσης, Χριστόφιας, που είχε και μια προσωπική χημεία με τον υποτελή Τ/κ ηγέτη.

Οι στήλες αυτές όπως και πολλοί άλλοι είχαν υποστηρίξει έντονα και επιχειρηματολογήσει ότι στην πολιτική και στη διπλωματία υπάρχει ένας χρυσός κανόνας: Η αμοιβαιότητα. Αντ’ αυτού, ο Πρόεδρος Χριστόφιας δέχθηκε να ανοίξει, υπό τους γνωστούς περίεργους όρους, η Λήδρας αλλ’ ο Λιμνίτης αφέθηκε στη δήθεν καλή θέληση του Ταλάτ. Εδώ και 14 μήνες επιβεβαιώνεται καθημερινά η πικρή διαπίστωση Τάσσου: Ούτε ένα οδόφραγμα ο Ταλάτ δεν μπορεί ν' ανοίξει χωρίς την έγκριση του Αττίλα.
Πρόσφατα, με τυμπανοκρουσίες, σχεδόν από την ελληνική πλευρά έγινε δεκτή η δήθεν νέα συμφωνία για το άνοιγμα του Λιμνίτη. Κατά πάγια πρακτική, οι Τούρκοι απαίτησαν ηλεκτροδότηση του θύλακα των Κοκκίνων και επαναχάραξη του δρόμου προς Λιμνίτη. Αρχικά είπαν ότι ο δρόμος θα ολοκληρωνόταν σε 4-5 μήνες. Τώρα μιλούν για 8-10 μήνες, δηλ. μέχρι τις «προεδρικές εκλογές» στα κατεχόμενα και πιθανή επανεκλογή Ταλάτ. Τέτοιο αφόρητο, πλέον, δούλεμα. Η κυβέρνηση, για να διευκολύνει τα πράγματα και να ανοίξει, επιτέλους, το οδόφραγμα Λιμνίτη και να αναπνεύσει, μετά από 45 χρόνια, η Τηλλυρία, αποδέχθηκε τους νέους όρους. Αλλ’ ιδού, εκδηλούμενη ξανά αδίστακτη η νέα τουρκική παρασπονδία. Αφού ενθυλάκωσαν τις νέες ελληνικές παραχωρήσεις, οι Τούρκοι άρχισαν εκβάθυνση του μικρού λιμανιού στα Κόκκινα. Προφανώς ενόψει των πανηγυρισμών τους για τον δολοφονικό βομβαρδισμό της Τηλλυρίας από τους Τούρκους, τον Αύγουστο του 1964. Και για υποδοχή μεγαλύτερων πολεμικών σκαφών.

Δεν γνωρίζουμε πώς η κυβέρνηση θ' αντιδράσει στη νέα τουρκική στρεψοδικία και προκλητικότητα. Οι Τούρκοι επιβεβαίωσαν για πολλοστή φορά ότι είναι άτιμοι και ανακόλουθοι. Και σε τίποτε δεν ωφελεί η πολιτική ηγεσία να επιδίδεται στους γνωστούς γελοίους ολοφυρμούς της και στις ανέξοδες διαπιστώσεις της, εκφράζοντας, παράλληλα, τη γνωστή αλλά κωμική λύπη της. Από τον Πρόεδρο Χριστόφια και τους ηγέτες αναμένουμε να ακούσουμε πρακτικά μέτρα αντίδρασης. Με απλά λόγια: Η Κυβέρνηση θα αντιδράσει ή όχι με αντίποινα στον νέο εξευτελισμό της από τον Αττίλα; Μόνο ο πρόεδρος της ΕΔΕΚ, Γ. Ομήρου, εισηγήθηκε άρνηση ηλεκτροφωτισμού του θύλακα των Κοκκίνων. Οι άλλοι αρκέστηκαν σε εκδηλώσεις… λύπης. Να το πούμε ξεκάθαρα: Στις επόμενες ημέρες οι Τούρκοι θα ζητήσουν άδεια διέλευσης λεωφορείων τους προς τα Κόκκινα για να… γιορτάσουν τους τουρκικούς βομβαρδισμούς της ηρωικής Τηλλυρίας.
Η κυβέρνηση Χριστόφια ας μη διανοηθεί να επιτρέψει τη διέλευσή τους, στο πλαίσιο της γνωστής αδιέξοδης θέσης ότι δεν πρέπει να επιβαρύνουμε, δήθεν, το κλίμα των συνομιλιών. Και φυσικά, ούτε λόγος να γίνει για ηλεκτροδότηση των φυλακίων του Αττίλα. Οι Τούρκοι και ο υποτελής Ταλάτ εμπαίζουν τον Πρόεδρο χοντρά. Δεν υποχωρούν σε τίποτε, απαιτούν τα πάντα, ασελγούν στις συνομιλίες. Θα ανεχθεί και αυτόν τον εξευτελισμό; Ο Δ. Χριστόφιας καλείται να κατανοήσει, επιτέλους, μιαν απλή αλήθεια: Ενώπιον των Τούρκων πρέπει να παύσει να κάνει το καλό παιδί, που υποχωρεί για να μην κατηγορηθεί από τους ξένους. Στη νέα τουρκική παρασπονδία να απαντήσει με αντίποινα. Να τολμήσει και μια φορά! Για να στείλει και τα ανάλογα μηνύματα.
http://www.sigmalive.com/simerini/colum ... eis/179256
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Postby BOF » Tue Aug 04, 2009 5:05 pm

sorry but i understood the language of the forum is English......

However dont beleive everything you read in 'Phil' its the equivelant to the British Daily Mail and thats just a scare mongering rag :roll:
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Postby Piratis » Tue Aug 04, 2009 5:57 pm

BOF wrote:sorry but i understood the language of the forum is English......

However dont beleive everything you read in 'Phil' its the equivelant to the British Daily Mail and thats just a scare mongering rag :roll:
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How do you know that if you can't read Greek ;)
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Postby Alpeis » Tue Aug 04, 2009 11:54 pm

Dr J wrote:Turks are fucked in the head - serious.


Not only Turks but also Greeks are fucked in the head. As far as I know the (over a year) long term compulsory military service with no exemption only exists in Greece, Turkey, Cyprus (both sides) in this area of Europe. The long going enmity (while I believe they would never go in a war) between nations and defense expenditures cost the citizens a lot.

Greece possibly had to pass a bill (bec of EU) which gave a preference to people to work for public institutions instead of serving military. However, it's 18 months and they give you a little salary perhaps just enough to keep you alive :P

Please correct me if I am wrong with the above information ;)
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Postby Dr J » Wed Aug 05, 2009 12:19 am

Ask the average Turk what makes them proud to be Turkish and they will say their army and their flag. Thats fucked in the head if you ask me.
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Postby RAFAELLA » Wed Aug 05, 2009 9:17 am

BOF wrote:sorry but i understood the language of the forum is English...... - you understood correctly, the site I use for translation has a problem and I couldn't use it. I found a new one but it's not that good - find the translation below -

However dont beleive everything you read in 'Phil' its the equivelant to the British Daily Mail and thats just a scare mongering rag :roll:
BOF - the article comes from "Simerini", from a very good jurnalist and especially this one is a 5* article


The humiliation [Christofia] and imposed reprisal

| Printing | 04/08/2009 | WITH [SABBA] [IAKOBIDI]

The OPENING of barricade of [Limniti] and those who continued, they recommend the most repugnant and exasperating humiliation of Greek Cypriot side from Turkey and the guard of possession, [Talat]. Before 14 months, [Christofias] and [Talat] agreed simultaneous opening of [Lidras] and [Limniti]. It is supposed that, then, were not in the middle… bad [Tassos], [all]' the flexible and Chairman of solution, [Christofias], that had and a personal chemistry with tributary [T]/[k] of leader. This columns as a lot of other had supported intensely and will argue that in the policy and in the diplomacy exists a golden rule: The reciprocity. [Ant]' of this, the Chairman [Christofias] accepted opens, under the known curious terms, [Lidras] [all]' [Limnitis] it was left in the supposedly good will of [Talat]. For 14 months is confirmed daily the bitter ascertainment [Tassoy]: Nor can't a barricade [Talat] [n]'? it opens without the approval of [Attila]. Recently, with drum sound, almost from the Greek side became acceptable the supposedly new agreement on the opening of [Limniti]. At constant practice, Turks required electrification of pocket Kokkina and [epanacharaxi] of street to [Limniti]. Initially they said that the street would be completed in 4-5 months. Now they speak for 8-10 months, that is to say up to the “presidential elections” to possessed and likely reelection [Talat]. Such unbearable, henceforth, [doylema]. The government, in order to it facilitates the things and it opens, at last, the barricade [Limniti] and breathes, after 45 years, [Tillyria], accepted the new terms. [All]' lo and behold, expressed again unscrupulous new Turkish [paraspondia]. After [enthylakosan] the new Greek concessions, Turks began deepening of small harbour in Kokkina. Obviously [enopsei] their celebrations for the murderous bombardment of [Tillyrias] from their [Toyrkoys], in August 1964. And for reception of bigger martial ships. We don't know how the government [th]'? it reacts in the new Turkish chicanery and provocativeness. The Turks confirmed for umpteenth time that they are dishonest and incoherent. And in nothing does not benefit the political leadership it is delivered in known ridiculous [olofyrmoys] her and in her costless ascertainments, expressing, at the same time, her known but comical sorrow. From the Chairman [Christofia] and the leaders we expect to hear practically metres of reaction. With simple reasons: Will the government react or no with reprisal in her new humiliation from [Attila]? Only the chairman of [EDEK], G of. Hostage, proposed refusal of [ilektrofotismoy] pocket of Kokkina. The other satisfied in events of… sorrow. Say him evidently: In the next days Turks will ask authorisation of their passage of buses to Kokkina in order to… they celebrate the Turkish bombardments heroic [Tillyrias].
The government [Christofia] [as] does not think she allows their passage, in the frame of known dead-end place that she should not we overload, supposedly, the climate of discussions. And naturally, nor reason for becoming for electrification of outposts of [Attila]. The Turks and tributary [Talat] [empaizoyn] the Chairman thickly. They do not recede in nothing, they require everything, [aselgoyn] in the discussions. It will tolerate also this humiliation? The [D]. [Christofias] is called to comprehend, at last, a simple truth: Front the Turks it should it ceases it makes the good child, that recedes in order to it is not accused by the foreigners. In new Turkish [paraspondia] it answers with reprisal. Dare also a time! In order to it sends also the proportional messages
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Postby Alpeis » Wed Aug 05, 2009 10:29 am

Dr J wrote:Ask the average Turk what makes them proud to be Turkish and they will say their army and their flag. Thats fucked in the head if you ask me.


What will an average Greek say?
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Postby DT. » Wed Aug 05, 2009 10:35 am

Alpeis wrote:
Dr J wrote:Ask the average Turk what makes them proud to be Turkish and they will say their army and their flag. Thats fucked in the head if you ask me.


What will an average Greek say?


Their car and their penis.
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Postby Alpeis » Wed Aug 05, 2009 10:43 am

DT. wrote:
Alpeis wrote:
Dr J wrote:Ask the average Turk what makes them proud to be Turkish and they will say their army and their flag. Thats fucked in the head if you ask me.


What will an average Greek say?


Their car and their penis.


:lol: What I know is they are a flag-happy nation but have no idea about car and penis matters :P
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Postby EPSILON » Wed Aug 05, 2009 11:03 am

Alpeis wrote:
Dr J wrote:Turks are fucked in the head - serious.


Not only Turks but also Greeks are fucked in the head. As far as I know the (over a year) long term compulsory military service with no exemption only exists in Greece, Turkey, Cyprus (both sides) in this area of Europe. The long going enmity (while I believe they would never go in a war) between nations and defense expenditures cost the citizens a lot.

Greece possibly had to pass a bill (bec of EU) which gave a preference to people to work for public institutions instead of serving military. However, it's 18 months and they give you a little salary perhaps just enough to keep you alive :P

Please correct me if I am wrong with the above information ;)


You are right.In Greece they are close to employ Albanians to attend the Greek army needs!!!
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