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[shahmaran]

Well shall we list what the "modern day" Christians are doing around the world today and compare them to the Sharia laws of a few corrupt nations?

Shall we start with the British Empire or the Bush administration, you choose?

The British Empire nor the Bush administration are no longer in existence, thanks to the systems put in place by the Age of Enlightenment, unlike your friend Mahmoud Ahmadinejad. How many muslim lives did his recent presidency cost?

Even your parents saw fit to educate you in this system rather than an Islamic one - It's called hypocrisy - where will you educate your children?

Im sure most muslims, including those depiced in Mr Draytons post, would rather live in the west, most notably the UK and USA where they are flooding in (where you were educated), rather than an Islamic state.

Again, you are confusing the religion, with the kind of people who practice it, and you are giving way too much credit to Christianity regarding the Age of Enlightenment, which came shortly after the Europeans literally raped every other civilization on Earth
"Enlightenment" to the Europeans came through money, not Christianity..

You are so wrong on this one, the Enlightenment was borne out of the fact the western Church lost its grip on the very poor (as you put it) and had to cave in to reason.

This did not get rid of Christianity, although the attempt by Soviet Russia tried this and failed, rather the Church re-established its relationship with the people.

Just as it will come to the Muslims if they were not generally at the bottom of the capitalist food chain.

They can pray all they want but it won't change anything, is that because God does not like them?

You can examine South American countries and see how their quality of life is, even though they are Christian, obviously lack of money does not help Christianity to make people "good people"

You really need to stop making excuses for the behaviour of current day muslims as being poor (ahhh!) and the states that govern them.

It really indicates that you have not understood the sentiment of this thread.

This thread is about having the freedom to be able to express your beliefs.

And you are claiming that Islam itself does not provide you the freedom to do so like Christianity, and I am giving you examples of Muslim countries where you can and you are still insisting that Islam is all about the examples of the totalitarian countries such as Iran or Saudi.

I assure you many people there do not agree with such a system or belief but have no other choice to go along, and these are just the least poor examples, the rest are far worse where the literacy level is so appalling that they can not only read the Koran, but they have no ability or the right to question anything, they are just followers.

Take Afghanistan for example, are you claiming that the Taliban model of Islam, is about the religion it self or about a terrorist group that has got a tight and violent grip over the country and practices self-made "Islamic laws" ?

Do you believe such Muslim terrorists actually represent Islam?

[Me Ed]

Well shall we list what the "modern day" Christians are doing around the world today and compare them to the Sharia laws of a few corrupt nations?

Shall we start with the British Empire or the Bush administration, you choose?

The British Empire nor the Bush administration are no longer in existence, thanks to the systems put in place by the Age of Enlightenment, unlike your friend Mahmoud Ahmadinejad. How many muslim lives did his recent presidency cost?

Even your parents saw fit to educate you in this system rather than an Islamic one - It's called hypocrisy - where will you educate your children?

Im sure most muslims, including those depiced in Mr Draytons post, would rather live in the west, most notably the UK and USA where they are flooding in (where you were educated), rather than an Islamic state.

Again, you are confusing the religion, with the kind of people who practice it, and you are giving way too much credit to Christianity regarding the Age of Enlightenment, which came shortly after the Europeans literally raped every other civilization on Earth
"Enlightenment" to the Europeans came through money, not Christianity..

You are so wrong on this one, the Enlightenment was borne out of the fact the western Church lost its grip on the very poor (as you put it) and had to cave in to reason.

This did not get rid of Christianity, although the attempt by Soviet Russia tried this and failed, rather the Church re-established its relationship with the people.

Just as it will come to the Muslims if they were not generally at the bottom of the capitalist food chain.

They can pray all they want but it won't change anything, is that because God does not like them?

You can examine South American countries and see how their quality of life is, even though they are Christian, obviously lack of money does not help Christianity to make people "good people"

You really need to stop making excuses for the behaviour of current day muslims as being poor (ahhh!) and the states that govern them.

It really indicates that you have not understood the sentiment of this thread.

This thread is about having the freedom to be able to express your beliefs.

And you are claiming that Islam itself does not provide you the freedom to do so like Christianity, and I am giving you examples of Muslim countries where you can and you are still insisting that Islam is all about the examples of the totalitarian countries such as Iran or Saudi.

I assure you many people there do not agree with such a system or belief but have no other choice to go along, and these are just the least poor examples, the rest are far worse where the literacy level is so appalling that they can not only read the Koran, but they have no ability or the right to question anything, they are just followers.

Take Afghanistan for example, are you claiming that the Taliban model of Islam, is about the religion it self or about a terrorist group that has got a tight and violent grip over the country and practices self-made "Islamic laws" ?

Do you believe such Muslim terrorists actually represent Islam?

Well its a sad fact that even the Taliban can present a raft of verses from the quran that fully justify their behaviour.

It's even sadder that int this day and age they and other Islamic regimes enact on this blind belief.

It's merely the extreme end of the mind-set that persecutes people for their beleifs, the other end of the scale is the form of harrasment that this thread started on.

The Wikipedia article on Apostasy in Islam is a shocking read for this day and age ..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apostasy_in_Islam

[shahmaran]

When Bush says "God is on our side on this war against the evil doers" before he goes off to bomb and kill people in hundred thousands all the way in Iraq and Afghanistan, what does that tell you?

That Christianity is violent, or that people use religion for their violent means in order to control people?

[baby-come-fly-with-me]

If people kill or instruct others to do so because of religious beliefs, its sick to use their religion as an excuse...

[Me Ed]

When Bush says "God is on our side on this war against the evil doers" before he goes off to bomb and kill people in hundred thousands all the way in Iraq and Afghanistan, what does that tell you?

That Christianity is violent, or that people use religion for their violent means in order to control people?

Neither - The alliance did not attack Afghanistan and illegally Iraq because they where Muslim, and one could argue that the 9/11 terrorists didn't attack because the USA is Christian and more to do with its foreign policy.

You are missing the vital point because this thread is about people being directly intimidated, harrased and in some cases killed for there beliefs, which is prevalent in Islamic societies, but not so much in Christian ones.