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Postby Sega » Tue Aug 04, 2009 1:16 pm

Twilight wrote:Yes Sega I am understanding those issues ...as to live in maids , well it amuse's me , as when my children were young , the fun of life was to juggle a home life as well as being self employed. But know children come and the live in maid is so useful to help with the children ... but oh how much fun is missed , with every life's ups n downs ...


It's a simple way for young mothers/wives who are incapable of being mothers/wives, simply to have somebody else fulfilling their duties. My mother had 5 children, she never had such a luxury, nor did she want a foreigner living in her house. It's not right, we are hardly lords of the manor, or royalty, or live in a 3 story house, were-by one person cannot clean it up, naturally the children also help out, that's what a family is.

This won't last for long, it is likely that the wages for these maids will shoot up, and few people (ones how have 8k spare), will be able to afford them, and when this happen you will see a sharp increase in divorces of people who have had the benefit of live in maids.
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Postby baby-come-fly-with-me » Tue Aug 04, 2009 1:40 pm

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Twilight wrote:Yes Sega I am understanding those issues ...as to live in maids , well it amuse's me , as when my children were young , the fun of life was to juggle a home life as well as being self employed. But know children come and the live in maid is so useful to help with the children ... but oh how much fun is missed , with every life's ups n downs ...


It's a simple way for young mothers/wives who are incapable of being mothers/wives, simply to have somebody else fulfilling their duties. My mother had 5 children, she never had such a luxury, nor did she want a foreigner living in her house. It's not right, we are hardly lords of the manor, or royalty, or live in a 3 story house, were-by one person cannot clean it up, naturally the children also help out, that's what a family is.

This won't last for long, it is likely that the wages for these maids will shoot up, and few people (ones how have 8k spare), will be able to afford them, and when this happen you will see a sharp increase in divorces of people who have had the benefit of live in maids.

everyone is different, and no one has the right to judge a mother as to weather she is bringing her children up the right way or not, if she has a maid, the mother is happy the father is happy and the children are happy and there is good balance in the household, then whats the problem.
I cant see how the divorse rate will shoot up, not at all. people get divorsed for so many different personal reasons, you cant blaim the fact that a family has a maid can actually put a strain on the family, shes there to help!!
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Postby baby-come-fly-with-me » Tue Aug 04, 2009 1:41 pm

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Sega wrote:
Twilight wrote:Yes Sega I am understanding those issues ...as to live in maids , well it amuse's me , as when my children were young , the fun of life was to juggle a home life as well as being self employed. But know children come and the live in maid is so useful to help with the children ... but oh how much fun is missed , with every life's ups n downs ...


It's a simple way for young mothers/wives who are incapable of being mothers/wives, simply to have somebody else fulfilling their duties. My mother had 5 children, she never had such a luxury, nor did she want a foreigner living in her house. It's not right, we are hardly lords of the manor, or royalty, or live in a 3 story house, were-by one person cannot clean it up, naturally the children also help out, that's what a family is.

This won't last for long, it is likely that the wages for these maids will shoot up, and few people (ones how have 8k spare), will be able to afford them, and when this happen you will see a sharp increase in divorces of people who have had the benefit of live in maids.

everyone is different, and no one has the right to judge a mother as to weather she is bringing her children up the right way or not, if she has a maid, the mother is happy the father is happy and the children are happy and there is good balance in the household, then whats the problem.
I cant see how the divorse rate will shoot up, not at all. people get divorsed for so many different personal reasons, you cant blaim the fact that a family has a maid can actually put a strain on the family, shes there to help!!
oh bugger it, i meant divorce not divorse!!! oooops
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Postby Twilight » Tue Aug 04, 2009 1:50 pm

Ahh and so in the helping with the children ...so much is lost within the family life ... children having some responsibilties within the household ..the sharing with the jobs ect ... and the relaxing when all is done .But if you have not experienced that ,it must be difficult to have some understanding ...Maybe todays faster pace of life and the need for expensive items , to enhance life .. Everyone has a different view .. each to their own :)
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Postby baby-come-fly-with-me » Tue Aug 04, 2009 1:56 pm

Twilight wrote:Ahh and so in the helping with the children ...so much is lost within the family life ... children having some responsibilties within the household ..the sharing with the jobs ect ... and the relaxing when all is done .But if you have not experienced that ,it must be difficult to have some understanding ...Maybe todays faster pace of life and the need for expensive items , to enhance life .. Everyone has a different view .. each to their own :)

exactly! i have had a maid in the family home and we felt we were being somewhat invaded so its not for me but otheres maybe dont mind 8)
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Postby Sega » Tue Aug 04, 2009 3:16 pm

everyone is different, and no one has the right to judge a mother as to weather she is bringing her children up the right way or not, if she has a maid, the mother is happy the father is happy and the children are happy and there is good balance in the household, then whats the problem.


I do have the right to judge people, how else is one suppose to eliminate things he does not want to have in his life. Critical judging is what helps the world progress. I never judge based on names, in-fact, I never disclose names, I only judge to better understand the world and things around us.

You do realise that some men find women cleaning attractive, I don't really see how hiring a maid will help the family, it will only cause future problems.

When one woman is incapable and lazy, a maid can only fuel this laziness. Some women are incapable of being mothers, savagely beating them, and having a maid is the only choice to eliminate their burden. I must say that women like this are very very rare, but believe me they are around.

I know of several cases were the maid ran off with the husband, I know were the husband sided with the maid, I also know of cases were women were incapable of being mothers, by savagely hitting their children and the only way to calm her nerves is to hire a maid.

A good woman does not require a maid, it's okay to try having her in the house, but truly, if she is responsible, as I am responsible, then she will truly understand that the true meaning of life is to work hard with people you love, hence your children and husband.

If you tried a maid then decided it's not your cup of tea, then you understand that rather your privacy is more important, and your better off either doing it yourself, or grouping up with your family and doing it. It's hard to know what to do, and lies are frequent in Cyprus, nobody wants to put themselves down or say that they were wrong.

people get divorsed for so many different personal reasons


Certainly do, but imagine this. A woman does not cook, does not clean, does no housework, her children are even taken to school by the maid. Which kind of woman would want all these liberties? A selfish woman, a woman who is in it for her self.

Now imagine this, that same woman, has to cook, clean, take kids to school you can only imagine that this woman will crack, as she is no longer getting her way, whether this means causing stress to the household or filing for divorce is another matter. Maybe the divorce thing might not go up sharply, it's hard to tell.

But like you say, everybody is different, until I see the person and analyse their body language and mannerisms, it's hard to say.
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Postby cymart » Tue Aug 04, 2009 3:41 pm

Anyway, in early 1979,we made the(mistaken as it turned out) decision to come back to Cyprus and live,naively believing,like many other people then, that solution was just around the corner and we would be going home to Famagusta.By the way, the previous summer we could have got it back without any commitments of we had accepted the so-called 'Western' proposal to re-start negotations,but as the Soviet Union was enjoying Greco-Turkish animosity weakening NATO at that time, which was during the Cold War,the last thing they needed was a Cyprus solution so AKEL obediantly told Kyprianou who was president then to reject it!!In the summer of 1979 there was the now infamous summit meeting between Denktash and Kyprianou which produced no concete results except guidelines and the Turkish side were not committed to giving back Famagusta by any fixed date either so they played for time,knowing quite rightly that it was on their side and carried on with the plan they had been implementing since 1974....Since then 30 years have gone by-I came to Cyprus in my mid-20's,expecting that we would enjoy living in our own home in the town we were happy within the very near future.Now we are both in our mid-50's and still waiting,but we realise that for Cyprus,and ourselves,time here is running out and fast.There have been moments when we seriously wanted to believe and had hopes that things were about to happen,only to have them dashed,as everyone knows...and other moments of great anger and resentment,particularly with the way things were handled in 2004.During all the time I have lived here what I have noticed more than anything is increasing arrogance,selfishness and if anything an attitude developing among many people against a solution to the Cyprus question because they think that the status-quo suits them just fine...... this is very prevalent among younger people,as my 23 year old son keeps telling me and that except for people like me and his mother and her mother,nobody cares about it any more!For a typical example,come to Paphos or drive down to Protaras at this time of year when the Nicosia 'in-crowd' are there with their flashy cars,designer clothes and obnoxious,spoilt children,while just along the coast and within view,the remains of Famagusta are dying and falling into ruin as each day passes?What kind of country is this,and more important,what kind of people have the Greek-Cypriots become??I often wish a few Turkish gun-boats would suddenly appear and land some troops on the beach while they are all sunbathing-I wonder how they would re-act???Hey how dare you-I just ordered a moquito from the bar and paid for those sunbeds!!Perhaps my wifes uncle was right when he told us as we left Larnaca Airport in 1975-the following year him and his family got permission to emigrate to Canada where one of his brothers sponsored them-that Cyprus had been a good country where many people had a happy,if not materially rich life before,until its own people,aided and abetted by outsiders ruined it!His frank advice was that things would never be like before again and the old times were gone so we should consider finding another place to live if we did not want to stay in England.We had a chance to go to New Zealand as well at the same time we decided to come here but chose Cyprus instead,thinking that we would be back home soon and also because it was not too far from our familes in England.Looking back,I am now beginning to wish we had taken the second option as we really see no reason to stay here much longer if there is no solution very soon.Unlike what so many people have become brainwashed into believing since 1974 by living in their fantasy world of consumer goods,fast cars,fast food- and probably fast brothels soon to match-Cyprus is not in a normal situation and the present status-quo cannot continue!What they need is a wake-up call-and fast!
Cheers everyone and thanks for your time!
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Postby BOF » Tue Aug 04, 2009 4:26 pm

thank you for that insight of yours and Cyprus's recent past Cymart.
A refreshing change from the "you did it first so i did it back" merry go round of times past here.
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Glad you found it interesting....

Postby cymart » Tue Aug 04, 2009 5:28 pm

I could have said a lot more but those were the main things I thought were important..Ghalanos,the Mayor of Famagusta reflected similar sentiments in a recent newspaper interview: he went over for the first time since 1974 and had a very cordial meeting with the Turkish Cypriot mayor-what depressed him as much as seeing from the outside the terrible condition the closed town is in was coming back to this side and realising that most people don't give a damn about it!Like the Archbishop said to some recent EOKA veterans,the best solution is for the Greek-Cypriots to build a wall along the border to keep the Turks on the other side,just like Israel did with the Palestinians!!When he was asked if that would mean all the land in the north would be lost forever,including Famagusta,he apparently said that Paralimni has been developed,what do we need Famagusta for!!!I try never to hold grudges against anyone,but I could hang that man-he reminds me of Vincent Price when he played the Witchfinder General in that 1967 film!
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Postby Sega » Tue Aug 04, 2009 6:19 pm

wtf... the thread has been hijacked.
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