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[MrH]

This goes out to DT in particular.

Problem
As long as the resumption of the Cyprus problem is within the scope of the latest UN agreements for a "fair" and "just" (according to our, TC, Partnership rights) federal formula consisting of Two Constituent States and based on the "Realities", I am all for the current negotiation's process. However, because I know that the Majority Greek Cypriot (75% no camp) hardliners will never accept such a solution scenario (rendering the present negotiations process for a Federal agreement pointless), I believe that the only way forward is for a mutual "Velvet" split. This idea of "One" Cyprus and etc, is all a bunch of Coffee-House-Rubbish infixed in the minds of the imaginary Communists/Socialists - it will never happen and can't happen. There is a serious lack of confidence in Cyprus where it will take decades/ if not centuries for it to be filtered out. Also, do not forget that Makarios signed away the former basis for a Cyprus Solution when he agreed to a new platform based on a Bi-Zonal, Bi-Communal Federation (in 1977/79)- obviously one the hardliners hate and are now trying to discredit their own leader (Christofias) of.

Solution and Discussion of this thread
Therefore, seeing that this scenario is an impossibility for the Greek Cypriots to accept, even though the entire UN and EU promote it! A resolution to the Cyprus question is strongly pointing to one that may follow its European models, like the mutual split between the Czech and Slovaks or the unfortunate "conflict-type" split between the five States of former Yugoslavia!

Either way, a "No" from the Greek Cypriot camp this time will not be the same as when they said no ("OXI") back in 2004 - and your Leader, Mr Christofias, knows this very well otherwise he wouldn't have go crazy issuing statements like "Our Greek Cypriot creditability has now been reinstated in the international arena after Papadopolous' rejectionist policy", and why he so quickly called President Talat and started negotiating no matter how slow.

DT, please note that I work very closely to those Commission leaders of the EU on a regular basis where they have repeatedly expressed their frustration with the Cyprus issue and have stressed in private quarters that, "If the former Yugoslavians and Czechs/Slovaks can accept a mutual split to solve this now unfortunate EUROPEAN PROBLEM, then the Cypriots will have to surrender to this fate as well if a federal agreement is not secured this time". You can rabbit what you will on this forum DT about a so-called pure unification deal that surpasses the realities of the island and the Bi-Zonal federal structure agreed by the UN and EU, but the truth is that your choices are running out............fast!

[DT.]

This must be really hitting a brain cell that's retired a long time ago otherwise I cannot understand why you cannot fathom the basic difference between a place like Czechoslovakia and Cyprus. The Czechs and Slovaks had 2 distinct areas in the state of Czechoslovakia. When they split they each took their own territory and split off. In Cyprus this does not exist anywhere. As recent court ruling s have shown you CANNOT take sovereign and private land from a state and an individual and call it your own.

For the TC's to be ALLOWED to split off into the sunset they need to have their own territory to split off with. Where is their legitimate territory?

[YFred]

This must be really hitting a brain cell that's retired a long time ago otherwise I cannot understand why you cannot fathom the basic difference between a place like Czechoslovakia and Cyprus. The Czechs and Slovaks had 2 distinct areas in the state of Czechoslovakia. When they split they each took their own territory and split off. In Cyprus this does not exist anywhere. As recent court ruling s have shown you CANNOT take sovereign and private land from a state and an individual and call it your own.

For the TC's to be ALLOWED to split off into the sunset they need to have their own territory to split off with. Where is their legitimate territory?

How did Russia take part of Poland and Poland part of Germany after WW2 till this day?

[DT.]

This must be really hitting a brain cell that's retired a long time ago otherwise I cannot understand why you cannot fathom the basic difference between a place like Czechoslovakia and Cyprus. The Czechs and Slovaks had 2 distinct areas in the state of Czechoslovakia. When they split they each took their own territory and split off. In Cyprus this does not exist anywhere. As recent court ruling s have shown you CANNOT take sovereign and private land from a state and an individual and call it your own.

For the TC's to be ALLOWED to split off into the sunset they need to have their own territory to split off with. Where is their legitimate territory?

How did Russia take part of Poland and Poland part of Germany after WW2 till this day?

I suggest you get your history straight and start with the Treaty of Versailles at the end of WW1. The majority population of the region ceded to Poland was Polish.

Once you read up on that then we can continue your education with the agreements of WWII.

On second thought....read up on the partition of Poland and the land Prussia took first since I fear we need to start you right from the beginning.

[wyoming cowboy]

These naive Turks on these forums surprise me every day with their nonsense. for them to understand i will say it again. YOU CANNOT TAKE AN INDIVIDUALS PROPERTY AND GET AWAY WITH IT. There is no legitimacy of the pseudo state, your deeds are illegal. Being in Europe which all of Cyprus is in. Anything and everything that Greek cyp owned in occuppied Cyprus belongs to Greek cyps.

[Kikapu]

This must be really hitting a brain cell that's retired a long time ago otherwise I cannot understand why you cannot fathom the basic difference between a place like Czechoslovakia and Cyprus. The Czechs and Slovaks had 2 distinct areas in the state of Czechoslovakia. When they split they each took their own territory and split off. In Cyprus this does not exist anywhere. As recent court ruling s have shown you CANNOT take sovereign and private land from a state and an individual and call it your own.

For the TC's to be ALLOWED to split off into the sunset they need to have their own territory to split off with. Where is their legitimate territory?

How did Russia take part of Poland and Poland part of Germany after WW2 till this day?

I suggest you get your history straight and start with the Treaty of Versailles at the end of WW1. The majority population of the region ceded to Poland was Polish.

Once you read up on that then we can continue your education with the agreements of WWII.

On second thought....read up on the partition of Poland and the land Prussia took first since I fear we need to start you right from the beginning.

Treaty of Versailles

YFreak only understands "Treatment of Vaseline’s".! :lol:

[YFred]

This must be really hitting a brain cell that's retired a long time ago otherwise I cannot understand why you cannot fathom the basic difference between a place like Czechoslovakia and Cyprus. The Czechs and Slovaks had 2 distinct areas in the state of Czechoslovakia. When they split they each took their own territory and split off. In Cyprus this does not exist anywhere. As recent court ruling s have shown you CANNOT take sovereign and private land from a state and an individual and call it your own.

For the TC's to be ALLOWED to split off into the sunset they need to have their own territory to split off with. Where is their legitimate territory?

How did Russia take part of Poland and Poland part of Germany after WW2 till this day?

I suggest you get your history straight and start with the Treaty of Versailles at the end of WW1. The majority population of the region ceded to Poland was Polish.

Once you read up on that then we can continue your education with the agreements of WWII.

On second thought....read up on the partition of Poland and the land Prussia took first since I fear we need to start you right from the beginning.

What about the bit that your friends the Russians took off Poland, you missed that one out. Was that part of Russia too.

[YFred]

This must be really hitting a brain cell that's retired a long time ago otherwise I cannot understand why you cannot fathom the basic difference between a place like Czechoslovakia and Cyprus. The Czechs and Slovaks had 2 distinct areas in the state of Czechoslovakia. When they split they each took their own territory and split off. In Cyprus this does not exist anywhere. As recent court ruling s have shown you CANNOT take sovereign and private land from a state and an individual and call it your own.

For the TC's to be ALLOWED to split off into the sunset they need to have their own territory to split off with. Where is their legitimate territory?

How did Russia take part of Poland and Poland part of Germany after WW2 till this day?

I suggest you get your history straight and start with the Treaty of Versailles at the end of WW1. The majority population of the region ceded to Poland was Polish.

Once you read up on that then we can continue your education with the agreements of WWII.

On second thought....read up on the partition of Poland and the land Prussia took first since I fear we need to start you right from the beginning.

Treaty of Versailles

YFreak only understands "Treatment of Vaseline’s".! :lol:

Assikdir pushd. save your Vaseline for your real friends.

[DT.]

This must be really hitting a brain cell that's retired a long time ago otherwise I cannot understand why you cannot fathom the basic difference between a place like Czechoslovakia and Cyprus. The Czechs and Slovaks had 2 distinct areas in the state of Czechoslovakia. When they split they each took their own territory and split off. In Cyprus this does not exist anywhere. As recent court ruling s have shown you CANNOT take sovereign and private land from a state and an individual and call it your own.

For the TC's to be ALLOWED to split off into the sunset they need to have their own territory to split off with. Where is their legitimate territory?

How did Russia take part of Poland and Poland part of Germany after WW2 till this day?

I suggest you get your history straight and start with the Treaty of Versailles at the end of WW1. The majority population of the region ceded to Poland was Polish.

Once you read up on that then we can continue your education with the agreements of WWII.

On second thought....read up on the partition of Poland and the land Prussia took first since I fear we need to start you right from the beginning.

What about the bit that your friends the Russians took off Poland, you missed that one out. Was that part of Russia too.

Poland formally ceded these territories (that means they agreed to it Yfred) in exchange for regaining their territories from Germany.

This brings us to another lesson Yfred. You cannot change/reduce the sovereign territory of the Republic of Cyprus without the government of Cyprus formally agreeing to it. Once you understand this important aspect of the Cyprob you can maybe jumpstart your brain into thinking of other possible outcomes for your little army base in the north.

[YFred]

This must be really hitting a brain cell that's retired a long time ago otherwise I cannot understand why you cannot fathom the basic difference between a place like Czechoslovakia and Cyprus. The Czechs and Slovaks had 2 distinct areas in the state of Czechoslovakia. When they split they each took their own territory and split off. In Cyprus this does not exist anywhere. As recent court ruling s have shown you CANNOT take sovereign and private land from a state and an individual and call it your own.

For the TC's to be ALLOWED to split off into the sunset they need to have their own territory to split off with. Where is their legitimate territory?

How did Russia take part of Poland and Poland part of Germany after WW2 till this day?

I suggest you get your history straight and start with the Treaty of Versailles at the end of WW1. The majority population of the region ceded to Poland was Polish.

Once you read up on that then we can continue your education with the agreements of WWII.

On second thought....read up on the partition of Poland and the land Prussia took first since I fear we need to start you right from the beginning.

What about the bit that your friends the Russians took off Poland, you missed that one out. Was that part of Russia too.

Poland formally ceded these territories (that means they agreed to it Yfred) in exchange for regaining their territories from Germany.

This brings us to another lesson Yfred. You cannot change/reduce the sovereign territory of the Republic of Cyprus without the government of Cyprus formally agreeing to it. Once you understand this important aspect of the Cyprob you can maybe jumpstart your brain into thinking of other possible outcomes for your little army base in the north.

We are getting there slowly. So how did the Germans accept this, after all they are the ones who had a net loss. Once you get this one, the answer for CYProb will become crystal clear.
You can do it. Go on.