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[DT.]

This must be really hitting a brain cell that's retired a long time ago otherwise I cannot understand why you cannot fathom the basic difference between a place like Czechoslovakia and Cyprus. The Czechs and Slovaks had 2 distinct areas in the state of Czechoslovakia. When they split they each took their own territory and split off. In Cyprus this does not exist anywhere. As recent court ruling s have shown you CANNOT take sovereign and private land from a state and an individual and call it your own.

For the TC's to be ALLOWED to split off into the sunset they need to have their own territory to split off with. Where is their legitimate territory?

How did Russia take part of Poland and Poland part of Germany after WW2 till this day?

I suggest you get your history straight and start with the Treaty of Versailles at the end of WW1. The majority population of the region ceded to Poland was Polish.

Once you read up on that then we can continue your education with the agreements of WWII.

On second thought....read up on the partition of Poland and the land Prussia took first since I fear we need to start you right from the beginning.

What about the bit that your friends the Russians took off Poland, you missed that one out. Was that part of Russia too.

Poland formally ceded these territories (that means they agreed to it Yfred) in exchange for regaining their territories from Germany.

This brings us to another lesson Yfred. You cannot change/reduce the sovereign territory of the Republic of Cyprus without the government of Cyprus formally agreeing to it. Once you understand this important aspect of the Cyprob you can maybe jumpstart your brain into thinking of other possible outcomes for your little army base in the north.

We are getting there slowly. So how did the Germans accept this, after all they are the ones who had a net loss. Once you get this one, the answer for CYProb will become crystal clear.
You can do it. Go on.

I see we have alzheimers as well. If you read a few posts above you will see that the majority population of these teritories which originally belonged to Poland anyway was POLISH.
Its like teaching my grandad how to send an email all over again.

[Alpeis]

You can rabbit what you will on this forum DT about a so-called pure unification deal that surpasses the realities of the island and the Bi-Zonal federal structure agreed by the UN and EU, but the truth is that your choices are running out............fast!

Time is really running fast and a very short time left for Cypriots. Turkey has never been willing to give away the North.
I am worried for Cypriots because they are to lose their last chance while discussing properties, atrocities, things and never ending things. Turkey then will claim the full authority over the North...

[Get Real!]

This goes out to DT in particular.

Fasten your seatbelt DT… Skeletor is about to take you for a free tour of his brain!

[Get Real!]

What about the bit that your friends the Russians took off Poland, you missed that one out. Was that part of Russia too.

Are you by any chance implying that Turkish Cypriots won a war and can now take territory?

[DT.]

You can rabbit what you will on this forum DT about a so-called pure unification deal that surpasses the realities of the island and the Bi-Zonal federal structure agreed by the UN and EU, but the truth is that your choices are running out............fast!

Time is really running fast and a very short time left for Cypriots. Turkey has never been willing to give away the North.
I am worried for Cypriots because they are to lose their last chance while discussing properties, atrocities, things and never ending things. Turkey then will claim the full authority over the North...

Turkey can claim that its a transexual from Amsterdam for all we care. It will never be able to claim legitimacy over a part of Cyprus without a the signature of the government of Cyprus.

[DT.]

This goes out to DT in particular.

Fasten your seatbelt DT… Skeletor is about to take you for a free tour of his brain!

Its a rollercoaster!! Nearly threw up 3 times!

[Get Real!]

Time is really running fast and a very short time left for Cypriots. Turkey has never been willing to give away the North.
I am worried for Cypriots because they are to lose their last chance while discussing properties, atrocities, things and never ending things. Turkey then will claim the full authority over the North...

Lose the "last chance" at what exactly? I thought you said... "Turkey has never been willing to give away the North"!

You're getting your knickers in a twist...

[MrH]

Turkey can claim that its a transexual from Amsterdam for all we care. It will never be able to claim legitimacy over a part of Cyprus without a the signature of the government of Cyprus.

DT, why do you always comment on Turkey taking the North of Cyprus instead of looking at the fact that it's the "TURKISH CYPRIOTS" whom are claimning the NORTH as their new State in response to Greek Cypriot mistakes of genocide in the past. Scream and shout all you want matey, Northern Cyprus is Turkish Cypriot, not Turkish of Turkiye Cummuriyeti or GC-ROC. View it like let's say the new Montenegro, Taiwan, Kosovo or even the FYR of Macedonia, or is that Taboo in the Greek world as well. Things are not clean cut in the world DT that's why we the Turkish Cypriot will eventually gain our international recognition of the TRNC, otherwise we'll ride out this current talks storm and close the doors for another few or so years. Turkey's EU membership has nothing to do with Cyprus, just like GC-ROC had nothing to do with Northern Cyprus or resolving the island's political problem before joining. The EU will eventually realise Turkey's importance and will switch on you (GC-ROC) like a double-edged sword!

[DT.]

Turkey can claim that its a transexual from Amsterdam for all we care. It will never be able to claim legitimacy over a part of Cyprus without a the signature of the government of Cyprus.

DT, why do you always comment on Turkey taking the North of Cyprus instead of looking at the fact that it's the "TURKISH CYPRIOTS" whom are claimning the NORTH as their new State in response to Greek Cypriot mistakes of genocide in the past. Scream and shout all you want matey, Northern Cyprus is Turkish Cypriot, not Turkish of Turkiye Cummuriyeti or GC-ROC. View it like let's say the new Montenegro, Taiwan, Kosovo or even the FYR of Macedonia, or is that Taboo in the Greek world as well. Things are not clean cut in the world DT that's why we the Turkish Cypriot will eventually gain our international recognition of the TRNC, otherwise we'll ride out this current talks storm and close the doors for another few or so years. Turkey's EU membership has nothing to do with Cyprus, just like GC-ROC had nothing to do with Northern Cyprus or resolving the island's political problem before joining. The EU will eventually realise Turkey's importance and will switch on you (GC-ROC) like a double-edged sword!

MrH I want to be serious for a second. If you don't understand some basic fundamentals about law and politics there's really not that much of a point entering into a discussion. I'm constantly having to point out basic points to you that an adult should know by now. Once you've grasped these issues then we can go deeper into a debate about who's wrong and who's right. For the time being you need to read up a little and figure out what the difference is of a segregated people living in a segregated piece of land where they form the majority population and their right for self determination.

Once again, ( and the recent court rulings should have made me pointing this out for you unnecessary) You cannot take another country's soveregn territory, throw out the majority population from that region, live in their homes and expect to ever be recognised as a separate entity.

F ace it, recognition will only happen once WE ALLOW IT. Although I'm starting to suspect you already know that otherwise why would you be working so hard to convince me to let you have it?

[Get Real!]

[b]DT, why do you always comment on Turkey taking the North of Cyprus instead of looking at the fact that it's the "TURKISH CYPRIOTS" whom are claimning the NORTH as their new State in response to Greek Cypriot mistakes of genocide in the past.

The Turkish Cypriots can NEVER claim anything on their own because just as Turkey overrun Cyprus in a month in 1974, so too can the NG overrun the Turkish Cypriots in a couple of days if the rule of the jungle is to be applied.

If international law is to be applied then any attempts by Turkey to create a separatist state on behalf of Turkish Cypriots was swiftly squashed in 1983…

http://www.un.int/cyprus/scr541.htm