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[Kibrisli Turk]

We have heard recently that Turkey has offered the Opening of all Turkish Ports to Cyprus if the EU allows Direct Trade with Northern Cyprus. Is this true? Does it put pressure on our leaders to compromise on a deal? Or is this all bluff talking by Turkey as usual. Turkey has threatened to take action against Cyprus many times over in the past without even a glimpse or a sign of action. They originally said that if Cyprus Joined the EU, northern cyprus would integrate with Turkey. Did this happen, of course not. They said that a "No" from the Annan Plan by the Greek Cypriots would force north cyprus to automatically integrate with Turkey - yet another pointless threat that was not backed up by any action. Then, what is Turkey threatening the talks with this time? Is it with the April "TRNC" presidential elections? I ask you this, Mr Eroglu has been Prime Minster of north cyprus before when the north was under Denktas rule, did Eroglu do anything spectacular then? Of course not. These are all empty words to force the Greek Cypriots into submission in the hope that partition can be sealed. It goes without saying that Turkey says alot but does not backup them up with any action. Turkey will not do nothing, like its failed expectation that the opening of the ceasefire line would kickstart intercommunal fighting, did it? Of course it didn't. We are all not that dumb, uneducated or stupid. I wonder what other imaginery scenario Turkey has up its sleave this time, or is it only prepared to keep quiet again for another 30 years, waste our childrens lives for even longer in an unrecognised state accusing everyone else besides itself. We Turkish Cypriots are exausted, frustrated and feel that we have waited for a solution for too long.

[paliometoxo]

yes thats what they said to start with that they want direct trade for opening of ports..

but then they said they will but this does not mean they recognise the roc... and nothing ever happened...

[Nikitas]

EU accession conditions are not subject to negotiating (horsetrading as the Americans call it). A candidate state either passes the tests or it does not. Turkey has not figured this one out yet.

It is like exams at university, you do not negotiate with the professor about grades and passes, you either pass or fail.

[shahmaran]

Well they did also plan for a "conditional membership" I think it was either Merkel or Sarkozy the Bastard, obviously they are open for deciding on the conditions of a non-conventional membership Nikitas.

In that case why should Turkey not bargain?

[EPSILON]

EU accession conditions are not subject to negotiating (horsetrading as the Americans call it). A candidate state either passes the tests or it does not. Turkey has not figured this one out yet.

It is like exams at university, you do not negotiate with the professor about grades and passes, you either pass or fail.

You are absolutely right but our problems will start when Turks realize that they can not pass the examinations!!!

[The Cypriot]

EU accession conditions are not subject to negotiating (horsetrading as the Americans call it). A candidate state either passes the tests or it does not. Turkey has not figured this one out yet.

It is like exams at university, you do not negotiate with the professor about grades and passes, you either pass or fail.

You are absolutely right but our problems will start when Turks realize that they can not pass the examinations!!!

What does Turkey expect? She doesn't listen in lectures, tries to rewrite the textbooks, challenges the tutors, bullies and steals off the other students, spends all the time playing the same old 70s records, and, I suspect, has been taking serious hallucinogenic drugs... And have you seen the state of her room?

[EPSILON]

EU accession conditions are not subject to negotiating (horsetrading as the Americans call it). A candidate state either passes the tests or it does not. Turkey has not figured this one out yet.

It is like exams at university, you do not negotiate with the professor about grades and passes, you either pass or fail.

You are absolutely right but our problems will start when Turks realize that they can not pass the examinations!!!

What does Turkey expect? She doesn't listen in lectures, tries to rewrite the textbooks, challenges the tutors, bullies and steals off the other students, spends all the time playing the same old 70s records, and, I suspect, has been taking serious hallucinogenic drugs... And have you seen the state of her room?

Personally i do not care what Turkey expect , what i care is its reaction when and if decide that EU is not in the plans.I am afraid that in such a case the today's status in Cyprus will look like a paradise for G/cs.

[The Cypriot]

Personally i do not care what Turkey expect ,

Perhaps the extended metaphor was lost in translation.

what i care is its reaction when and if decide that EU is not in the plans.I am afraid that in such a case the today's status in Cyprus will look like a paradise for G/cs.

Let's examine this, Epsilon. Realistically. Does Turkey see turning its back on EU membership, or even associated membership, as a viable option? What are the alternatives? What are the implications? For trade, for development, for overseas investment, for wealth creation? Things that matter more and more for the influential elites of Istanbul?

You seem to know something of the internal machinations of this basket case country.

[EPSILON]

Personally i do not care what Turkey expect ,

Perhaps the extended metaphor was lost in translation.

what i care is its reaction when and if decide that EU is not in the plans.I am afraid that in such a case the today's status in Cyprus will look like a paradise for G/cs.

Let's examine this, Epsilon. Realistically. Does Turkey see turning its back on EU membership, or even associated membership, as a viable option? What are the alternatives? What are the implications? For trade, for development, for overseas investment, for wealth creation? Things that matter more and more for the influential elites of Istanbul?

You seem to know something of the internal machinations of this basket case country.

You can never trust the generals' way of thinking. I feel that their first target is to keep their chairs and the huge military financial organizations which they are presently control.If they see or feel that EU is threatening their position in the country's system who knows how they will react? of course not me or G/cs in general.

[Piratis]

We have heard recently that Turkey has offered the Opening of all Turkish Ports to Cyprus if the EU allows Direct Trade with Northern Cyprus.

This is quite funny. The Opening of ports is linked to the accession process of Turkey. They open the ports, the accession process continues smoothly.

So how is this "Direct Trade" related? The Turks want a "buy one get one free" kind of offer? So to get 2 things by giving just 1? Sorry, but there are no discounts on this.

We made the offer for direct trade from the port of Famagusta in exchange with the return of the city. As far as I know the offer still stands.