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[Piratis]

You oppose the fact that we are a part of this island so fiercly yet you want us to accept that we are also "Cypriot" and to live in a democracy with you?!?

You really have lost the plot Piratis, when did you stop making sense?

Where do I oppose that you are also Cypriots and part of this island? I never did this.

Unless you are talking about the Ottoman rule era, and the time when Turks first came to Cyprus. Obviously just coming to Cyprus doesn't make you a Cypriot, otherwise all the settlers you brought to Cyprus the last few years would be Cypriots as well.

Well if just coming to Cyprus does not make you Cypriot, then you should shut the hell up now or your argument would hold no water what so ever.

You cannot claim the people who had equal partnership over the island, who helped the building of the communities here, to be a "minority" and that you have control over the entire island and the people.

This is not about numbers, it is about who owns what, and as far as we remember, when we came you owned FUCK ALL and you were just a handful of serfs!

So how do you own places Piratis, please remind us one more time?

Who owns places are the people of those places, not any foreign empire. Your Imperialist, Colonial kind of thinking speaks volumes about your character. Maybe you also think that slaves became equal human beings only when their state or empire recognized them as such?

The Turkish Cypriots can be equal Cypriot citizens and proportionally participate in the rule and running of this country. Since when a group of 18% of people should have 50% of power? Democracy means one person one vote, not "one vote if you are a Christian, 5 votes if you are Muslim". We are not living in the Ottoman era my friend.

[Piratis]

By the way, do you know what your beloved Turkey did with Imbros and Tenedos shahmaran? Those islands had a Greek majority but they were given to Turkey with the agreement (Treaty of Lausanne) that those people will be given autonomy over their islands. Not only they were not given autonomy, but they were exterminated instead.

Sounds awfully like what you are trying to do here Piratis, what is your point?

My point is that Turkey actually DID the things you imagine we want to do to you. But you never blamed Turkey based on their actions, but instead you are trying to blame us based on imaginary scenarios.

We never tried to exterminate you, like the Turks actually did in Imbros and Tenedos. And if you wanted that same degree of autonomy that Imbros and Tenedos were supposed to have, over territories where you are naturally the majority, then we would have no problem for you to have it.

Remember, those Greeks were supposed to have autonomy on territories where they were the vast majority. Not over territories where they were the minority. And those Greeks with autonomy they wouldn't have the power to dictate to Turkey as a whole what it can and what it can't do. When it comes to Turkey as a whole they would just get their one vote each.

But Turkey didn't even accept this! Not only they didn't give them this autonomy, but they exterminate them!!

Compare the above with your demands in Cyprus. To the Greeks of Turkey they didn't give even the minimum they were obligated to give, and for Cyprus they demand that TCs should rule over lands where the native majority are GCs, and to have power almost 5 times more than what proportionally belongs to them!

[Viewpoint]

By the way, do you know what your beloved Turkey did with Imbros and Tenedos shahmaran? Those islands had a Greek majority but they were given to Turkey with the agreement (Treaty of Lausanne) that those people will be given autonomy over their islands. Not only they were not given autonomy, but they were exterminated instead.

Sounds awfully like what you are trying to do here Piratis, what is your point?

My point is that Turkey actually DID the things you imagine we want to do to you. But you never blamed Turkey based on their actions, but instead you are trying to blame us based on imaginary scenarios.

We never tried to exterminate you, like the Turks actually did in Imbros and Tenedos. And if you wanted that same degree of autonomy that Imbros and Tenedos were supposed to have, over territories where you are naturally the majority, then we would have no problem for you to have it.

Remember, those Greeks were supposed to have autonomy on territories where they were the vast majority. Not over territories where they were the minority. And those Greeks with autonomy they wouldn't have the power to dictate to Turkey as a whole what it can and what it can't do. When it comes to Turkey as a whole they would just get their one vote each.

But Turkey didn't even accept this! Not only they didn't give them this autonomy, but they exterminate them!!

Compare the above with your demands in Cyprus. To the Greeks of Turkey they didn't give even the minimum they were obligated to give, and for Cyprus they demand that TCs should rule over lands where the native majority are GCs, and to have power almost 5 times more than what proportionally belongs to them!

You planned it but couldnt pull it off, whats to say you wont in the future if we are stupid enough to give a free hand to do so?

[humanist]

kibrisli turk

We have heard recently that Turkey has offered the Opening of all Turkish Ports to Cyprus if the EU allows Direct Trade with Northern Cyprus. Is this true? Does it put pressure on our leaders to compromise on a deal? Or is this all bluff talking by Turkey as usual. Turkey has threatened to take action against Cyprus many times over in the past without even a glimpse or a sign of action. They originally said that if Cyprus Joined the EU, northern cyprus would integrate with Turkey. Did this happen, of course not. They said that a "No" from the Annan Plan by the Greek Cypriots would force north cyprus to automatically integrate with Turkey - yet another pointless threat that was not backed up by any action. Then, what is Turkey threatening the talks with this time? Is it with the April "TRNC" presidential elections? I ask you this, Mr Eroglu has been Prime Minster of north cyprus before when the north was under Denktas rule, did Eroglu do anything spectacular then? Of course not. These are all empty words to force the Greek Cypriots into submission in the hope that partition can be sealed. It goes without saying that Turkey says alot but does not backup them up with any action. Turkey will not do nothing, like its failed expectation that the opening of the ceasefire line would kickstart intercommunal fighting, did it? Of course it didn't. We are all not that dumb, uneducated or stupid. I wonder what other imaginery scenario Turkey has up its sleave this time, or is it only prepared to keep quiet again for another 30 years, waste our childrens lives for even longer in an unrecognised state accusing everyone else besides itself. We Turkish Cypriots are exausted, frustrated and feel that we have waited for a solution for too long.

Have you read some of the posts of your compatriots? ie V and Shahmaran and others lol ........ keep quiet man.

Besides there are few things I would like to take on would you really want to be part of Turkey. Overpopulated, poor and awaiting for the impossible?
Or would you rather comply with international and European law and unify in one Cyprus where your children share similar opportunities as other European children and citizenship of Cyprus.

[runaway]

[runaway]

kibrisli turk

We have heard recently that Turkey has offered the Opening of all Turkish Ports to Cyprus if the EU allows Direct Trade with Northern Cyprus. Is this true? Does it put pressure on our leaders to compromise on a deal? Or is this all bluff talking by Turkey as usual. Turkey has threatened to take action against Cyprus many times over in the past without even a glimpse or a sign of action. They originally said that if Cyprus Joined the EU, northern cyprus would integrate with Turkey. Did this happen, of course not. They said that a "No" from the Annan Plan by the Greek Cypriots would force north cyprus to automatically integrate with Turkey - yet another pointless threat that was not backed up by any action. Then, what is Turkey threatening the talks with this time? Is it with the April "TRNC" presidential elections? I ask you this, Mr Eroglu has been Prime Minster of north cyprus before when the north was under Denktas rule, did Eroglu do anything spectacular then? Of course not. These are all empty words to force the Greek Cypriots into submission in the hope that partition can be sealed. It goes without saying that Turkey says alot but does not backup them up with any action. Turkey will not do nothing, like its failed expectation that the opening of the ceasefire line would kickstart intercommunal fighting, did it? Of course it didn't. We are all not that dumb, uneducated or stupid. I wonder what other imaginery scenario Turkey has up its sleave this time, or is it only prepared to keep quiet again for another 30 years, waste our childrens lives for even longer in an unrecognised state accusing everyone else besides itself. We Turkish Cypriots are exausted, frustrated and feel that we have waited for a solution for too long.

Besides there are few things I would like to take on would you really want to be part of Turkey. Overpopulated, poor and awaiting for the impossible?
.

Do you want to be first class citizens of your own country or a second class minority under your murderers?

[miltiades]

kibrisli turk

We have heard recently that Turkey has offered the Opening of all Turkish Ports to Cyprus if the EU allows Direct Trade with Northern Cyprus. Is this true? Does it put pressure on our leaders to compromise on a deal? Or is this all bluff talking by Turkey as usual. Turkey has threatened to take action against Cyprus many times over in the past without even a glimpse or a sign of action. They originally said that if Cyprus Joined the EU, northern cyprus would integrate with Turkey. Did this happen, of course not. They said that a "No" from the Annan Plan by the Greek Cypriots would force north cyprus to automatically integrate with Turkey - yet another pointless threat that was not backed up by any action. Then, what is Turkey threatening the talks with this time? Is it with the April "TRNC" presidential elections? I ask you this, Mr Eroglu has been Prime Minster of north cyprus before when the north was under Denktas rule, did Eroglu do anything spectacular then? Of course not. These are all empty words to force the Greek Cypriots into submission in the hope that partition can be sealed. It goes without saying that Turkey says alot but does not backup them up with any action. Turkey will not do nothing, like its failed expectation that the opening of the ceasefire line would kickstart intercommunal fighting, did it? Of course it didn't. We are all not that dumb, uneducated or stupid. I wonder what other imaginery scenario Turkey has up its sleave this time, or is it only prepared to keep quiet again for another 30 years, waste our childrens lives for even longer in an unrecognised state accusing everyone else besides itself. We Turkish Cypriots are exausted, frustrated and feel that we have waited for a solution for too long.

Besides there are few things I would like to take on would you really want to be part of Turkey. Overpopulated, poor and awaiting for the impossible?
.

Do you want to be first class citizens of your own country or a second class minority under your murderers?

The foreigner , true to form , talking rubbish again!
Mind your own business foreigner, keep out of Cyprus .

[DT.]

kibrisli turk

We have heard recently that Turkey has offered the Opening of all Turkish Ports to Cyprus if the EU allows Direct Trade with Northern Cyprus. Is this true? Does it put pressure on our leaders to compromise on a deal? Or is this all bluff talking by Turkey as usual. Turkey has threatened to take action against Cyprus many times over in the past without even a glimpse or a sign of action. They originally said that if Cyprus Joined the EU, northern cyprus would integrate with Turkey. Did this happen, of course not. They said that a "No" from the Annan Plan by the Greek Cypriots would force north cyprus to automatically integrate with Turkey - yet another pointless threat that was not backed up by any action. Then, what is Turkey threatening the talks with this time? Is it with the April "TRNC" presidential elections? I ask you this, Mr Eroglu has been Prime Minster of north cyprus before when the north was under Denktas rule, did Eroglu do anything spectacular then? Of course not. These are all empty words to force the Greek Cypriots into submission in the hope that partition can be sealed. It goes without saying that Turkey says alot but does not backup them up with any action. Turkey will not do nothing, like its failed expectation that the opening of the ceasefire line would kickstart intercommunal fighting, did it? Of course it didn't. We are all not that dumb, uneducated or stupid. I wonder what other imaginery scenario Turkey has up its sleave this time, or is it only prepared to keep quiet again for another 30 years, waste our childrens lives for even longer in an unrecognised state accusing everyone else besides itself. We Turkish Cypriots are exausted, frustrated and feel that we have waited for a solution for too long.

Besides there are few things I would like to take on would you really want to be part of Turkey. Overpopulated, poor and awaiting for the impossible?
.

Do you want to be first class citizens of your own country or a second class minority under your murderers?

So i guess the TC's are now enjoying the life of a first class citizen in teir own country and are not a minority. Lets count the mistakes you've managed to make in one simple sentence.

Do you want to be

Implies choice, which you do not have as you are ruled by Turkey

first class citizens

You are not since it is well known that the first class citizens of the occupied areas are members of the Turkish armed forces and those that received rewards for their actions in 74. The conentration of cash in a few individuals while the remaining population simply survives.

your own country

The "trnc" is not a country

second class minority

Is what the TC's are now since the majority is turkish settlers

your murderers

You'll lose this numbers game as well since your proud army murdered the most people on this island.

[shahmaran]

By the way, do you know what your beloved Turkey did with Imbros and Tenedos shahmaran? Those islands had a Greek majority but they were given to Turkey with the agreement (Treaty of Lausanne) that those people will be given autonomy over their islands. Not only they were not given autonomy, but they were exterminated instead.

Sounds awfully like what you are trying to do here Piratis, what is your point?

My point is that Turkey actually DID the things you imagine we want to do to you. But you never blamed Turkey based on their actions, but instead you are trying to blame us based on imaginary scenarios.

We never tried to exterminate you, like the Turks actually did in Imbros and Tenedos. And if you wanted that same degree of autonomy that Imbros and Tenedos were supposed to have, over territories where you are naturally the majority, then we would have no problem for you to have it.

Remember, those Greeks were supposed to have autonomy on territories where they were the vast majority. Not over territories where they were the minority. And those Greeks with autonomy they wouldn't have the power to dictate to Turkey as a whole what it can and what it can't do. When it comes to Turkey as a whole they would just get their one vote each.

But Turkey didn't even accept this! Not only they didn't give them this autonomy, but they exterminate them!!

Compare the above with your demands in Cyprus. To the Greeks of Turkey they didn't give even the minimum they were obligated to give, and for Cyprus they demand that TCs should rule over lands where the native majority are GCs, and to have power almost 5 times more than what proportionally belongs to them!

You planned it but couldnt pull it off, whats to say you wont in the future if we are stupid enough to give a free hand to do so?

The guy is so incredibly ignorant it is almost a joke.

We do not only "want the whole island" but we also "imagine" all the attacks that killed our people.

Keep it up Piratis, you must be the village idiot wherever you come from.

[runaway]

kibrisli turk

We have heard recently that Turkey has offered the Opening of all Turkish Ports to Cyprus if the EU allows Direct Trade with Northern Cyprus. Is this true? Does it put pressure on our leaders to compromise on a deal? Or is this all bluff talking by Turkey as usual. Turkey has threatened to take action against Cyprus many times over in the past without even a glimpse or a sign of action. They originally said that if Cyprus Joined the EU, northern cyprus would integrate with Turkey. Did this happen, of course not. They said that a "No" from the Annan Plan by the Greek Cypriots would force north cyprus to automatically integrate with Turkey - yet another pointless threat that was not backed up by any action. Then, what is Turkey threatening the talks with this time? Is it with the April "TRNC" presidential elections? I ask you this, Mr Eroglu has been Prime Minster of north cyprus before when the north was under Denktas rule, did Eroglu do anything spectacular then? Of course not. These are all empty words to force the Greek Cypriots into submission in the hope that partition can be sealed. It goes without saying that Turkey says alot but does not backup them up with any action. Turkey will not do nothing, like its failed expectation that the opening of the ceasefire line would kickstart intercommunal fighting, did it? Of course it didn't. We are all not that dumb, uneducated or stupid. I wonder what other imaginery scenario Turkey has up its sleave this time, or is it only prepared to keep quiet again for another 30 years, waste our childrens lives for even longer in an unrecognised state accusing everyone else besides itself. We Turkish Cypriots are exausted, frustrated and feel that we have waited for a solution for too long.

Besides there are few things I would like to take on would you really want to be part of Turkey. Overpopulated, poor and awaiting for the impossible?
.

Do you want to be first class citizens of your own country or a second class minority under your murderers?

The foreigner , true to form , talking rubbish again!
Mind your own business foreigner, keep out of Cyprus .

You can't say they will be political equals can you? Türkiye should mind her own business and TCs will be second class minority under south cypriots is that it? No sir that won't happen again.