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[Nikitas]

Have you not seen my "Fat Greek wedding"? Where the man explains how Japanese words like Kimono come from Greek? Obviously Japanese culture is rooted in Greek culture!

[shahmaran]

If the denial of the Greekness of Byxantium suits a purpose obviously it will be promoted.

And by the same token… if a mythology that the Byzantium was “Greek” is promoted no chocolate cookies for guessing who benefits.

It's amazing Greeks are not claiming the Japanese or Chinese cultures as their own...

I am surprised you are not already claiming the whole world

[shahmaran]

You call me racist and you go on to claim the island being "Greek" you racist arsehole!

What a moron you really are!

We are not foreign rulers yet you want to rule us as well, now please explain me the logic in that, without constantly shooting yourself in the foot, if you can

You racist criminal, there are 100s of Greek islands, all of which have been under your brutal rule, most of them for longer than Cyprus, just like the Greek mainland. During this time you created minorities in several Greek islands and territories, just like you did in many of the other nations you occupied.

So freedom for Greeks of any island or territory from foreign rulers is something "racist" according to your logic

Here lets see an example of this:

During the Greek War of Independence in 1821, the Ottoman authorities feared that Greek Cypriots would rebel again. Archbishop Kyprianos, a powerful leader who worked to improve the education of Greek Cypriot children, was accused of plotting against the government. Kyprianos, his bishops, and hundreds of priests and important laymen were arrested and summarily hanged or decapitated on July 9, 1821.

From the above the racist brainwashed shahmaran can not see the struggle of a nation for freedom from the foreign oppressors. Nooo, brainwashed racist shahmaran sees the nice Ottoman rulers punishing the "racist" Cypriots because they dared to think about freedom. The Cypriots can not be what they want to be and what they have been for 1000s of years. Nooo, the Cypriots should be whatever the invading Turks want them to be, or else the nice Turks have the right to cut our heads.

And we never wanted to rule you, you fucking moron. You are the ones who invaded us in order to rule us, remember? What we want is our freedom and self-determination so Cypriots (you included) can democratically decide what they want for their own island.

You can have your one vote each, like we have our one vote each. But you have no right to impose your will undemocratically by force.

It is en Empire you dimwit!

What the hell do you expect?

You are the one who still call us Ottoman and believe you need to be "liberated" from us, and you did so long before the invasion, what was your excuse then?!

What does that make you? Freedom fighters?

Or racist xenophobic bastards who cannot even stand the sight of any other ethnic group who might have the slightest bit of autonomy on this country which never belonged to you?!!

Fuck your idea of democracy, it is as reliable as your idea of races Piratis.

There can never be a true democracy amongst a group of people when one side totally opposes the existence of the other.

THATS why you want democracy, not because you are some righteous fucking piece of shit but because it suits you this time around, and that's why you fucked us over in the 60's and still working to do so today!

What do you take us for, morons?

[shahmaran]

You oppose the fact that we are a part of this island so fiercly yet you want us to accept that we are also "Cypriot" and to live in a democracy with you?!?

You really have lost the plot Piratis, when did you stop making sense?

[shahmaran]

Shah, you say Byzantium was a Roman empire and you call us Rum, which I assume means Romans, so you really identify us with Byzantium. Strange that Yunan of Cyprus is not used.

Like British historian Woodhouse (spelling?) said, if you do not understand Byzantium you cannot understand modern Greece and Greeks. But hey, whatever suits you. If the denial of the Greekness of Byxantium suits a purpose obviously it will be promoted.

You blame people here for racists views, and yet there is very little comment about the process of ethnic erasing that is going on in the north of the island. At one level it is an almost manic obsession with purity of nationality and ethnicity which is so intense and so pervasive that you have to ask why it is going on. It is more than is needed to construct what Denktash called a "historic footprint", even if you concede that such a thing was ever needed. I look at all the ethnic symbols so lavishly used and wonder who they are meant to convince that the north is Turkish. I think they are meant more for the Turks and TCs than anyone else.

The other side of the process is the ease with which TCs were convinced, (forced?) to accept that the only way to salvation was to abandon their ancestral homes. You would think that once Turkey intervened and had its way on the island the TCs would want to have their rights reinforced rather than obliterated.

But when you have no attachment to your birthplace, and take no steps to keep when you obviously can, how can you form attachments to any part of Cyprus?

Nikitas, Woodhouse is probably correct, but I still do not see how that makes Byzantium, Greek.

Obviously they were deeply intertwined historically, but as far as my understanding is, it was mostly about Greek art and culture, language, etc.

Even then, I still do not see how that is relevant to the Cyprus problem.

[Piratis]

You call me racist and you go on to claim the island being "Greek" you racist arsehole!

What a moron you really are!

We are not foreign rulers yet you want to rule us as well, now please explain me the logic in that, without constantly shooting yourself in the foot, if you can

You racist criminal, there are 100s of Greek islands, all of which have been under your brutal rule, most of them for longer than Cyprus, just like the Greek mainland. During this time you created minorities in several Greek islands and territories, just like you did in many of the other nations you occupied.

So freedom for Greeks of any island or territory from foreign rulers is something "racist" according to your logic

Here lets see an example of this:

During the Greek War of Independence in 1821, the Ottoman authorities feared that Greek Cypriots would rebel again. Archbishop Kyprianos, a powerful leader who worked to improve the education of Greek Cypriot children, was accused of plotting against the government. Kyprianos, his bishops, and hundreds of priests and important laymen were arrested and summarily hanged or decapitated on July 9, 1821.

From the above the racist brainwashed shahmaran can not see the struggle of a nation for freedom from the foreign oppressors. Nooo, brainwashed racist shahmaran sees the nice Ottoman rulers punishing the "racist" Cypriots because they dared to think about freedom. The Cypriots can not be what they want to be and what they have been for 1000s of years. Nooo, the Cypriots should be whatever the invading Turks want them to be, or else the nice Turks have the right to cut our heads.

And we never wanted to rule you, you fucking moron. You are the ones who invaded us in order to rule us, remember? What we want is our freedom and self-determination so Cypriots (you included) can democratically decide what they want for their own island.

You can have your one vote each, like we have our one vote each. But you have no right to impose your will undemocratically by force.

It is en Empire you dimwit!

What the hell do you expect?

You are the one who still call us Ottoman and believe you need to be "liberated" from us, and you did so long before the invasion, what was your excuse then?!

What does that make you? Freedom fighters?

Or racist xenophobic bastards who cannot even stand the sight of any other ethnic group who might have the slightest bit of autonomy on this country which never belonged to you?!!

Fuck your idea of democracy, it is as reliable as your idea of races Piratis.

There can never be a true democracy amongst a group of people when one side totally opposes the existence of the other.

THATS why you want democracy, not because you are some righteous fucking piece of shit but because it suits you this time around, and that's why you fucked us over in the 60's and still working to do so today!

What do you take us for, morons?

You are a moron of the highest order.

We never opposed your existence. We have no problem with you to exist on our island as equal citizens and as a members of an ethnic minority, in the same way that such ethnic minorities exist in every other country in the world.

It is the Turks who have exterminated most Greeks and other Christians from Asia minor, and refuse to recognize the Kurds as an ethnic minority. We never did in Cyprus against any other ethnic group what the Turks did in Turkey.

Our liberation struggle was against the foreign Imperialists not against you. It is you who choose to collaborate with the foreign Imperialists, attack us, kill us and start the conflict against us.

Here is the video again, showing this FACT which you have been unable to refute, and yet you just repeat your baseless LIES because you think that if you repeat lies they will become true somehow.



Therefore it is you and people like you who are the racists, because you could not accept that Cypriots have the right to peacefully and democratically decide the destiny of their own island. Instead you decided that Cypriots deciding their own destiny in a democratic and peaceful way was something that we needed to be punished for. So just like the Ottomans beheaded those who advocated the freedom of Cyprus from their empire, in the same way you attacked and killed innocent people and you created a plan for the annihilation of every Greek Cypriots from half of their island!

And the racists like you continue since then and until today to insist on racist discrimination and the segregation of Cypriots!

So get your facts straight mate. You are the racists because you support some of the worst actions of racism, such as ethnic cleansing.

You also continue to claim that this island never belonged to us. Yet another proof of your racism, since you think that Cyprus belongs to foreign rulers and not to the people of the island. Come out of the Middle Ages you racist. This is the 21st century. Slavery, Colonialism and everything else you believe in are things of the past.

Why don't you tell us what you want for Cyprus? It will be more than enough to show your racism, while you will be trying to excuse the indiscriminate violation of the human rights of 100s of thousands of innocent people just because they are Greek Cypriots, while you will be trying to find excuses to support segregation of the Cypriot citizens based on their religion and language, while dividing the population based on their ethnicity and giving more rights to each member of your ethnic group on the expense of every other Cypriot.

What I want is for all Cypriots to exist free in their own town or village, with equality for each citizen without racist discriminations, and with a democratic system where the vote of each citizen counts exactly the same.

[Piratis]

You oppose the fact that we are a part of this island so fiercly yet you want us to accept that we are also "Cypriot" and to live in a democracy with you?!?

You really have lost the plot Piratis, when did you stop making sense?

Where do I oppose that you are also Cypriots and part of this island? I never did this.

Unless you are talking about the Ottoman rule era, and the time when Turks first came to Cyprus. Obviously just coming to Cyprus doesn't make you a Cypriot, otherwise all the settlers you brought to Cyprus the last few years would be Cypriots as well.

[Piratis]

You also said something about autonomy earlier. Autonomy is something you can have over yourself, while at the same time respecting the rights of the rest of the citizens and the laws of the country. I wouldn't mind if TCs had an autonomy which would not violate our rights. So explain me what exactly you mean by this and as long as it is not something that violates our rights then I have no problem with it.

What I will have a problem and I will not accept is if you want for TCs to rule over lands that the native majority are GCs, since such thing would be absolutely unreasonable.

By the way, do you know what your beloved Turkey did with Imbros and Tenedos shahmaran? Those islands had a Greek majority but they were given to Turkey with the agreement (Treaty of Lausanne) that those people will be given autonomy over their islands. Not only they were not given autonomy, but they were exterminated instead.

[shahmaran]

You oppose the fact that we are a part of this island so fiercly yet you want us to accept that we are also "Cypriot" and to live in a democracy with you?!?

You really have lost the plot Piratis, when did you stop making sense?

Where do I oppose that you are also Cypriots and part of this island? I never did this.

Unless you are talking about the Ottoman rule era, and the time when Turks first came to Cyprus. Obviously just coming to Cyprus doesn't make you a Cypriot, otherwise all the settlers you brought to Cyprus the last few years would be Cypriots as well.

Well if just coming to Cyprus does not make you Cypriot, then you should shut the hell up now or your argument would hold no water what so ever.

You cannot claim the people who had equal partnership over the island, who helped the building of the communities here, to be a "minority" and that you have control over the entire island and the people.

This is not about numbers, it is about who owns what, and as far as we remember, when we came you owned FUCK ALL and you were just a handful of serfs!

So how do you own places Piratis, please remind us one more time?

[shahmaran]

By the way, do you know what your beloved Turkey did with Imbros and Tenedos shahmaran? Those islands had a Greek majority but they were given to Turkey with the agreement (Treaty of Lausanne) that those people will be given autonomy over their islands. Not only they were not given autonomy, but they were exterminated instead.

Sounds awfully like what you are trying to do here Piratis, what is your point?