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[Piratis]

How the hell am I the racist one when it is you and Piratis who keep blaming everything on the poor Mongolians

What a bunch of clowns

Shahmaran. i, long time now, respect your posts, because you are just a "patriotic sol" like i am.The word patriotic is always missunderstood in this forum with fanatics and Nationalists.What many people, ourdays, do not understand and appreciate is the real meaning of the word.We are proud to be Greek and Turk and we are just not looking for second hand Ethnicities/language / cultures. God/Allah finally will save us not the others!!!

If you and shahmaran are looking to carve up Cyprus between you then neither God nor Allah will save you from the Cypriots. You can both go to hell.

How can I carve up my own country Cypriot?

I am a Cypriot born and raised by many generations of other Cypriots.

However my identity has been hijacked by racist fascists and declared to be Greek on another part of the island which I had no access for the last 35 years!

I don't even know a single word in Greek!!

What am I to do now? Join them? Fight them? Create my own identity? Or maybe join the next best identity?

What do you think?

The identity of Cyprus has been Greek for 1000s of years. It is the Turks who invaded, killed and oppressed Cyprus in an attempt to change the identity of our island.

This is something they continue to do today with importing 10s of thousands of Anatolian settlers, changing the names of our villages, destroying our cultural heritage and trying to falsify our history.

I know many immigrants which learned Greek just fine. Second generation immigrants can speak native Greek in the Cypriot dialect. In fact the TCs were learning to speak the language of the majority even when Cyprus was under Ottoman rule. Older generations of TCs could speak very good Greek. There were even some TCs who could speak better Greek than Turkish.

But when the partition plan was created in the 50s, everything Greek became "illegal" for TCs, anything that had to do with the full integration of TCs with the rest of the population was prohibited, and they decided to segregate and separate themselves from GCs as much as possible.

The identity of Cyprus has been anything BUT Greek for 1000's of years.

But I forget you write your own history, so you can only use it to put your children to bed as its worthless anywhere else, specially here you fucking clown!

Open some non Turkish history book you uneducated fool.

[shahmaran]

Yeah maybe I should try one of these notorious GC history books that even your own people oppose to.

That would DEFINATELY give me a clear view of what is REALLY going on.

And if I'm REALLY lucky, I might even turn out to be an exquisitely ignorant and an extraordinary racist moron like Piratis

[shahmaran]

... The identity of Cyprus has been anything BUT Greek for 1000's of years.

And you wonder why your "education" appears so suspect!

It is purely because it had one identity -- Greek -- which kept Cypriots going, surviving against all those who wanted to leave ONLY their identity on Cyprus and erase the rest ... It's this hanging on to one identity which helps us survive against this constant barrage of attempts to annihilate our Cypriot identity. The majority on this Island have been Greek Cypriot for thousands of years (and that has been proved to you many times).

Turkey knows all this and it is working on those lily-livered turncoats to help it remove the one obstacle to complete Turkification ... The only true Cypriots are the opposers of such a process.

Shah, you are so easily fooled (hence uneducated) if the revisionist-acts happening before your very eyes -- renaming of Greek-named villages; dispersal abroad of artifacts of Greek Orthodoxy -- have had such a full and complete brainwashing effect on you ....

If you were either honest or educated; you would at least admit the majority identity on Cyprus has been Greek Cypriot for thousands of years. BUT, you want to change that for the future!

You said it madam, "erase all non-Greeks"

I never said you people were not Greek, I said the island!

You and Cyprus are not the same Oracle, you are people living on this island, as well as many OTHER people who are NOT Greek.

And since you never RULED the island EVER, how can you claim this place to be Greek?

Well the only reason is because you have been fighting for it for so long yet you never seem to manage to pull it off

It was Christian yes but not Greek and certainly NOT Greek Orthodox as your Church never really had any autonomy on the island, definitely not up until it became Ottoman!

You catch my drift or are you going to prove to be another historically crippled little fascist like your fellow shit for brains Piratis here?

This is not a religion Oracle, you cannot interpret history as you would like it to be.

You can try to rewrite it like Piratis, but that would probably get you as far as it got him

[Nikitas]

"Never ruled the island never", wow, heavy duty stuff here. The rule of the city ikngdoms by dudes with names like Evagoras does not count? The rule by Alexander's descendants? How about Byzantium which lasted 1000 years and had rulers with names like Alexios, and Vasilios?

They are the people who built churches and villages named after saints like Nikitas. Thought I would mention him since he is often passed over for more popular ones like Nicholaos etc.

This crap about ruling etc is redundant since neither Turkey nor Greece were established as states able to rule over anyone before 1923 and 1829 respectively. It is one of those myths that we hear and read over and over and obviously a part of Turkish chauvinist education.

And while all the above was going on, a population of people who call themselves Greek has always been on the island maintaining a language, traditions and culture which is unmistakable Greek. The rest come and go and never managed to create anything of substance and permanence. Witness the mass renaming of places in the north as part of a deliberate policy, fully and publicly explained by Denktash, to establish a historic footprint on the island. And no one asked how about the previous 300 years, what footprint was established in that time.

[shahmaran]

Nikitas, I personally have no wish to bring out the past as far as the Empires go, for the sake of the Cyprus problem.

However, there are people here who want to turn the whole Cyprus issue into another Byzantium-Ottoman war, so they need to be put straight.

Once that is done, then we can start talking about how racist they actually are since there is no other reason to justify the politics they pursue today, which is to deny us our place on this island, by violent means if necessary, in order to bring ethnic dominance over the entire island.

The Byzantine Empire was a Roman Empire that used many languages, the most popular being Greek, so not quite the same thing Nikitas.

To be honest, apart from Alexander there are no other direct ties to Greece, in order to say that it is a Greek island, he was the one who really Hellenized the island which did not last very long, however the people and their culture is another matter.

Unfortunately if people owned places by simply being there, then the world would have turned out to be a very different place.

[Piratis]

To be honest, apart from Alexander there are no other direct ties to Greece, in order to say that it is a Greek island, he was the one who really Hellenized the island which did not last very long, however the people and their culture is another matter.

The people is what really matters you racist fool. Not under which foreign empire Cyprus falls under.

After 1400 B.C., Mycenaean and Mycenaean-Achaean traders from the northeastern Peloponnesus began regular commercial visits to the island. Settlers from the same areas arrived in large numbers toward the end of the Trojan War (traditionally dated about 1184 B.C.). Even in modern times, a strip of the northern coast was known as the Achaean Coast in commemoration of those early settlers. The newcomers spread the use of their spoken language and introduced a script that greatly facilitated commerce. They also introduced the potter's wheel and began producing pottery that eventually was carried by traders to many mainland markets. By the end of the second millennium B.C., a distinctive culture had developed on Cyprus. The island's culture was tempered and enriched by its position as a crossroads for the commerce of three continents, but in essence it was distinctively Hellenic.

http://memory.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/r?f ... +cy0013%29

The Cypriot people have been Greek since then. No matter what the foreign ruler was, the Cypriots had a Greek language, a Greek culture and a Greek Religion. (First the 12 Gods of Olympus - one of which was Cypriot, and then Greek Orthodox Christians).

In Cyprus we always had some non Greek minorities, in the same way that ethnic minorities exist everywhere.

[shahmaran]

You call me racist and you go on to claim the island being "Greek" you racist arsehole!

What a moron you really are!

We are not foreign rulers yet you want to rule us as well, now please explain me the logic in that, without constantly shooting yourself in the foot, if you can

[Piratis]

You call me racist and you go on to claim the island being "Greek" you racist arsehole!

What a moron you really are!

We are not foreign rulers yet you want to rule us as well, now please explain me the logic in that, without constantly shooting yourself in the foot, if you can

You racist criminal, there are 100s of Greek islands, all of which have been under your brutal rule, most of them for longer than Cyprus, just like the Greek mainland. During this time you created minorities in several Greek islands and territories, just like you did in many of the other nations you occupied.

So freedom for Greeks of any island or territory from foreign rulers is something "racist" according to your logic

Here lets see an example of this:

During the Greek War of Independence in 1821, the Ottoman authorities feared that Greek Cypriots would rebel again. Archbishop Kyprianos, a powerful leader who worked to improve the education of Greek Cypriot children, was accused of plotting against the government. Kyprianos, his bishops, and hundreds of priests and important laymen were arrested and summarily hanged or decapitated on July 9, 1821.

From the above the racist brainwashed shahmaran can not see the struggle of a nation for freedom from the foreign oppressors. Nooo, brainwashed racist shahmaran sees the nice Ottoman rulers punishing the "racist" Cypriots because they dared to think about freedom. The Cypriots can not be what they want to be and what they have been for 1000s of years. Nooo, the Cypriots should be whatever the invading Turks want them to be, or else the nice Turks have the right to cut our heads.

And we never wanted to rule you, you fucking moron. You are the ones who invaded us in order to rule us, remember? What we want is our freedom and self-determination so Cypriots (you included) can democratically decide what they want for their own island.

You can have your one vote each, like we have our one vote each. But you have no right to impose your will undemocratically by force.

[Nikitas]

Shah, you say Byzantium was a Roman empire and you call us Rum, which I assume means Romans, so you really identify us with Byzantium. Strange that Yunan of Cyprus is not used.

Like British historian Woodhouse (spelling?) said, if you do not understand Byzantium you cannot understand modern Greece and Greeks. But hey, whatever suits you. If the denial of the Greekness of Byxantium suits a purpose obviously it will be promoted.

You blame people here for racists views, and yet there is very little comment about the process of ethnic erasing that is going on in the north of the island. At one level it is an almost manic obsession with purity of nationality and ethnicity which is so intense and so pervasive that you have to ask why it is going on. It is more than is needed to construct what Denktash called a "historic footprint", even if you concede that such a thing was ever needed. I look at all the ethnic symbols so lavishly used and wonder who they are meant to convince that the north is Turkish. I think they are meant more for the Turks and TCs than anyone else.

The other side of the process is the ease with which TCs were convinced, (forced?) to accept that the only way to salvation was to abandon their ancestral homes. You would think that once Turkey intervened and had its way on the island the TCs would want to have their rights reinforced rather than obliterated.

But when you have no attachment to your birthplace, and take no steps to keep when you obviously can, how can you form attachments to any part of Cyprus?

[Get Real!]

If the denial of the Greekness of Byxantium suits a purpose obviously it will be promoted.

And by the same token… if a mythology that the Byzantium was “Greek” is promoted no chocolate cookies for guessing who benefits.

It's amazing Greeks are not claiming the Japanese or Chinese cultures as their own...