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[EPSILON]

We have heard recently that Turkey has offered the Opening of all Turkish Ports to Cyprus if the EU allows Direct Trade with Northern Cyprus.

This is quite funny. The Opening of ports is linked to the accession process of Turkey. They open the ports, the accession process continues smoothly.

So how is this "Direct Trade" related? The Turks want a "buy one get one free" kind of offer? So to get 2 things by giving just 1? Sorry, but there are no discounts on this.

We made the offer for direct trade from the port of Famagusta in exchange with the return of the city. As far as I know the offer still stands.

Good point Piratis.

[The Cypriot]

You seem to know something of the internal machinations of this basket case country.

You can never trust the generals' way of thinking. I feel that their first target is to keep their chairs and the huge military financial organizations which they are presently control.

Yes. No one gives up power voluntarily.

Tell me more about these 'military financial organisations'. What do they do? Who do they do business with? Where does the finance come from? Do they stand to lose if the EU door closes? How important is Turkey's military to US regional interests, now Iraq is firmly under its wing? And with American companies now searching for oil in Cypriot waters? And with the new Obama administration standing firmer against Israel - and sending conciliatory messages to the Islamic world?

[EPSILON]

You seem to know something of the internal machinations of this basket case country.

You can never trust the generals' way of thinking. I feel that their first target is to keep their chairs and the huge military financial organizations which they are presently control.

Yes. No one gives up power voluntarily.

Tell me more about these 'military financial organisations'. What do they do? Who do they do business with? Where does the finance come from? Do they stand to lose if the EU door closes? How important is Turkey's military to US regional interests, now Iraq is firmly under its wing? And with American companies now searching for oil in Cypriot waters? And with the new Obama administration standing firmer against Israel - and sending conciliatory messages to the Islamic world?

Military financial organizations in Turkey include banks, factories, gas stations, anything you can imagine.Of course generals will be happy to have Turkey in EU but on the condition that they will find a way to keep their control. As you can understand this is very very difficult target.What i am not sure about is whether they will decide (If Turkey rejected by EU -on their terms) to play an indepedent policy dealing with all around including Russians, China and of course the huge markets (coming in few years) of Iran/Iraq.

Here i want to say something similar in someway.- I believe that one of the main factors (in addition to Israel's policy) which not allow Palestian problem to be solved is the financial interests of the Palestians militarians chiefs who for many years now are controling the funds for arms and who are living like kings with hundreds of servants.I have the opinion that Generals in Ankara have a similar mentality ,even are, somehow, more polite.

[runaway]

What ports are you talking about? We don't want to cooperate with south cyprus. Even if ports were opened by EU pressure, Turkish companies will refuse to use south cypriot vessels and port authorities will make sure south cypriot vessels have the longest delays possible in their shipments.

[EPSILON]

What ports are you talking about? We don't want to cooperate with south cyprus. Even if ports were opened by EU pressure, Turkish companies will refuse to use south cypriot vessels and port authorities will make sure south cypriot vessels have the longest delays possible in their shipments.

You have a point here. Some harbor masters (by instructions) may create problems/delays using ports state controls etc. But the owners of the cargo or the exporters will be Tukish companies and the vessels will be under hire to Cargill / Bunge (giant traders) etc with which your port authorities will have to deal with.Nevertheless the opening of the ports will have a great political meaning than business and trade.

[DT.]

What ports are you talking about? We don't want to cooperate with south cyprus. Even if ports were opened by EU pressure, Turkish companies will refuse to use south cypriot vessels and port authorities will make sure south cypriot vessels have the longest delays possible in their shipments.

Afraid you would't be able to do that skidmark. Intentional delays to Cypriot cargo would be damaging to your ports both from a PR point of view and from a regulatory point of view. Now as far as turkish customers for Cypriot shipping you'll be surprised. Not that Cypriot shipping needs Turkish contracts but as an example this month alone we have seen 4 new funds starting up in Cyprus with turkish underlying investors(includes one very cool chap from Istanbul which I had the pleasure of meeting.)

[EPSILON]

What ports are you talking about? We don't want to cooperate with south cyprus. Even if ports were opened by EU pressure, Turkish companies will refuse to use south cypriot vessels and port authorities will make sure south cypriot vessels have the longest delays possible in their shipments.

Afraid you would't be able to do that skidmark. Intentional delays to Cypriot cargo would be damaging to your ports both from a PR point of view and from a regulatory point of view. Now as far as turkish customers for Cypriot shipping you'll be surprised. Not that Cypriot shipping needs Turkish contracts but as an example this month alone we have seen 4 new funds starting up in Cyprus with turkish underlying investors(includes one very cool chap from Istanbul which I had the pleasure of meeting.)

I fully support this last info. I also know Turkish shipping companies hiring their vsls through offices operating in S.Cyprus.Capital-capital-capital-money-money-money- no home for it!!!!!

[shahmaran]

What ports are you talking about? We don't want to cooperate with south cyprus. Even if ports were opened by EU pressure, Turkish companies will refuse to use south cypriot vessels and port authorities will make sure south cypriot vessels have the longest delays possible in their shipments.

Ahh just like the old days of Cyprus.

We do remember exporting of fruits made absolutely hell for us in the ports back in the days, and later with Makarios's manipulations over trade.

This was before any conflict and would at times lose entire crops, they would either take so long to process and actually rot or sometimes believe it or not, even dropped into the sea.

Fucking racist bastards!

Which idiot would want to have to do business with these arseholes ever again?

Ethnic nepotism was entangled in all ways of life, and no EU membership can change that.

[DT.]

What ports are you talking about? We don't want to cooperate with south cyprus. Even if ports were opened by EU pressure, Turkish companies will refuse to use south cypriot vessels and port authorities will make sure south cypriot vessels have the longest delays possible in their shipments.

Ahh just like the old days of Cyprus.

We do remember exporting of fruits made absolutely hell for us in the ports back in the days, and later with Makarios's manipulations over trade.

This was before any conflict and would at times lose entire crops, they would either take so long to process and actually rot or sometimes believe it or not, even dropped into the sea.

Fucking racist bastards!

Which idiot would want to have to do business with these arseholes ever again?

Ethnic nepotism was entangled in all ways of life, and no EU membership can change that.

You're an anachronism Shah. Stuck in a time warp. The world is going about its business and you're being left behind.

[shahmaran]

What ports are you talking about? We don't want to cooperate with south cyprus. Even if ports were opened by EU pressure, Turkish companies will refuse to use south cypriot vessels and port authorities will make sure south cypriot vessels have the longest delays possible in their shipments.

Ahh just like the old days of Cyprus.

We do remember exporting of fruits made absolutely hell for us in the ports back in the days, and later with Makarios's manipulations over trade.

This was before any conflict and would at times lose entire crops, they would either take so long to process and actually rot or sometimes believe it or not, even dropped into the sea.

Fucking racist bastards!

Which idiot would want to have to do business with these arseholes ever again?

Ethnic nepotism was entangled in all ways of life, and no EU membership can change that.

You're an anachronism Shah. Stuck in a time warp. The world is going about its business and you're being left behind.

Are you surprised?

We are living in a vacuum DT, what do you expect