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[Nikitas]

Piratis, the idea that Turkey wants two separate and independent states is something that has not been proven, at least not to me. Turkmen was obviously expressing his own opinion and not the plans worked out in the turkish national security council, which is the main governing body of Turkey.

That is why one (hypothetical) way to force their hand is to recognise the north, (after the relevant territorial adjustments) and force Turkey'hand. But that would not go down well, because as Ecevit had said that double union was a most undesirable solution because it would make Greece a middle eastern power. The Turks see Cyprus and Greece in the EU as having effectively gone through union. So Turkey seems to be after something other than a separate state in the north.

My take is that what it wants is a way that in the long term will alow it to take over the whole island. Something which seems unlikely even under the most cynical scenarios, especially after 2004.

[Kikapu]

So the offer is 18% and GC rule....noo thanks status quo with a strong TA presense and growing population is preferred. The offer had to be better than what we have today although unrecognized it is much preferred to allowing GCs the free hand they long for to discriminate and dominate TCs. What will you do when the political balance is firmly in the hands fo the Gcs and TCs start to suffer, I bet you will turn your back and remain silent just like the GCs did in 1963 to 1974 but then we will not have Turkey to beg for help as her hands will be tied. Do you really think we are that stupid to accept the UN and EU as guarantors? they are useless in times of crisis and it would be like asking us to sign our own death warrants.

The offer had to be better than what we have today

You got to be joking, right, VP.? What can be better than what you have in the north today as long as you want live in a "Corrupted Society". You don't have a democracy, since you can import people from Turkey, make them a "citizen" so to vote for the party in power. No respect for International laws. No respect for Human Rights. Free to traffic people from Syria into the EU via the north. Sell GCs properties that does not belong to you. No diplomatic relationship with any other country to speak of really, since the north is not recognised, and even MrH dropped the bomb by stating that Turkey never recognised the "trnc" which you had applauded MrH for his comments, therefore you not have to worry about pressures from foreign governments. No need for an economy to survive, since Turkey pays the bills. No need for your own army, since Turkey stands guard for you. No need to be in the EU to have EU passports and some benefits, since the RoC’s EU membership provides them to you, as well hospitals and all the products from the rest of the world, and the list goes on.

If I were to make an analogy of what you are in the north, I would say without trying to be offensive, that you are a "kept mistress" who has all the benefits of a wife, but without any of the responsibilities of a wife, and the husband is only keeping the "kept mistress" only for sex, just because he can afford to keep the mistress. Now, don't get me wrong, because I think the "kept mistress" has figured out, that if she is going to let a man fuck her anyway, why not get something back in return, like everything what the man's wife gets. She not even a whore because she is only fucking the lover boy in a committed relationship and no one else, as long as the husband of another woman (lover boy) is paying all her bills and fucking her at the same time. What can be better than that?. Again, the "kept mistress" is getting all the benefits of a wife would, without any of the responsibilities of a wife.

Well, all this is nice and dandy as long as the "kept mistress" has the looks, the body, and the sex appeal that turns her lover boy on, but there will come a time when all good things will eventually come to an end when the "kept mistress" will lose her looks, body, sex appeal, and so will the lover boy’s need in keeping her, because he can get another bimbo at much younger age, far more beautiful, even more sex appeal, therefore, the old "kept mistress" will be shown the door who has never learned to earn her own money, never been independent without the lover boy’s help, and now she has passed her prime with hardly any skills to get a decent job, and she can't even become a real whore to anyone, because she is now old, sagging tits, lose body parts, and zero sex appeal to try and start fresh.!

So I say to you VP, don't look for anything much better than what you have today, because you will not find it, but also don’t expect what you have today for it too last forever either. In the real world, you will have to work for what you want, and not expect others to take care of you while they are "fucking" you at the same time. You will want to make sure you have earned respect and power through participation in building your own living standards and the country you belong to, to make it become an "honest society" who has a future for your children. You can never have all these as a "kept mistress", because the light of your candle will eventually burn out, and since nothing ever lasts forever, when your candle light goes out, so would have been your usefulness.!

Your perverted mind knows no bounds a psychiatrist friend of mine looked over your last post and says you need real medical help.

Well, at least you are not disputing any of my post above, therefore my analogy worked perfectly of you being a
"kept mistress".!

Tell me something, VP. Did your psychiatrist "friend" tell you his comments about me while you were laying on his couch at midnight Sunday night or did he make a house call at your place, also at midnight Sunday night. Lets say he was a guest in your home at midnight Sunday night, as hard as that may be to be believable, do you sit by the computer at midnight Sunday night with your guest and read my posts.? If so, I'm very honoured.....really!. If that is the case, then I don't know who really needs more help, me or you and your psychologist "friend" staying up midnight Sunday night reading my posts.! I don't have a psychologist medical diploma as your "friend", but I can certainly say that you are both NUTS or that you were lying about having a psychologist "friend" looking at my posts at midnight Sunday night.

But lets say that your psychologist "friend" does exists, and for him not being able to read into my analogy in describing the north as I did, then he must not be a very good psychologist, therefore, I would then question about his credentials, since in a "Corrupted Society", anything can be gotten for the right price if you know the right people in the right places.!

Look Kikapu you still dont get it do you, add to the above thousands of more negatives it doesnt change the fact that we prefer it to being forced to live in a GC state run by GCs as a minority without safeguards and guarantees.

Save it, VP. I gave you a perfect plan where you are not forced to live under anyone other than just Cypriots, but you rejected it, because it did not give you the ability to claim partition at later stage. You are not being honest at all. Cyprus only has one option, now that we are in the EU, and that is, True Democracy, Human Rights, International laws and EU Principles. Forget about anything else. As I told you many times before, that, as soon as you accept the above principles for Cyprus, the rest of your concerns are just details. You problem is, you think you can fool people in accepting something like the AP on a second try, is the reason why you are not giving up. If the AP did not pass in 2004 by 76% of the GCs who knew very little of that plan at the time, and now that most knows all about what the AP was, even Bananiot will vote NO if another AP type of plan was to be presented to be voted on in the future, even though, I don't expect any plan to go to a referendum if the GCs will say OXI to it again. Change your tune for god sake. It's getting very old, and I'm surprised your psychologist "friend" has not told you the side effects of telling lies, believing in lies, and dreaming in lies that would have damaging effects on your mind, body and soul. One more reason why he is a fake "friend" and not a certified psychologist. I think "Harvey the Rabbit" is more real than your psychologist "friend" any day of the week.!

[Viewpoint]

Heard of long summer nights we have a lot of those in the TRNC Kikapu, get help everyone can see you get off on giving every issue sexual connetations.

[NikosGB23]

Heard of long summer nights we have a lot of those in the TRNC Kikapu, get help everyone can see you get off on giving every issue sexual connetations.

Look YOU dont get it Viewpoint, what makes you think that Turks even belong here? Why do you get a say in what kind of government we have?

[Viewpoint]

Heard of long summer nights we have a lot of those in the TRNC Kikapu, get help everyone can see you get off on giving every issue sexual connetations.

Look YOU dont get it Viewpoint, what makes you think that Turks even belong here? Why do you get a say in what kind of government we have?

How ignorant, firstly im not a Turk I am a Turkish Cypriot with Turkish origins and we own this island so we have a say so wise up and try to at least act intelligent tall order I know.

[NikosGB23]

Heard of long summer nights we have a lot of those in the TRNC Kikapu, get help everyone can see you get off on giving every issue sexual connetations.

Look YOU dont get it Viewpoint, what makes you think that Turks even belong here? Why do you get a say in what kind of government we have?

How ignorant, firstly im not a Turk I am a Turkish Cypriot with Turkish origins and we own this island so we have a say so wise up and try to at least act intelligent tall order I know.

When did you suddenly own the island? Oh, when you illegally invaded?

[Viewpoint]

Heard of long summer nights we have a lot of those in the TRNC Kikapu, get help everyone can see you get off on giving every issue sexual connetations.

Look YOU dont get it Viewpoint, what makes you think that Turks even belong here? Why do you get a say in what kind of government we have?

How ignorant, firstly im not a Turk I am a Turkish Cypriot with Turkish origins and we own this island so we have a say so wise up and try to at least act intelligent tall order I know.

When did you suddenly own the island? Oh, when you illegally invaded?

438 years proves you wrong.

[humanist]

What is this compromise being discussed? What if the two community leaders fail to produce an acceptable, dual "Yes" plan in a possible future referendum? Will the "TRNC" continue, will Turkey be pushed to compromise the "TRNC" or will Northern Cyprus the territory eventually integrate with the Cyprus Republic through automatic R.O.C using the method of Cypriot citizenship and the issuing of passports to Turkish Cypriots. Or will the EU feel compelled to force a solution just to compromise with Turkey's Energy bill for Europe? In Cyrpiot terms, I don't think both communities on the island will allow division to continue for much longer. I think that the European Union bares the overall responsibility in pushing all parties to free the island once and for all. We live inbetween many people with whom consider their national views as the only way forward, but I say this......Cyprus is small, Cyprus is only a small island...Cyprus could benefit the integration of both the Turkish and Greek mainland countries. What do you think will happen if both communities reject the next Cyprus plan? Do you know of a secondary plan?

Good post but the refugees want to return to their homes and have legal access to their properties. The only way this can happen is if the TC's take access of their properties in the south to allow for refugees to move back. So start moving people. We need people power not politician power.

The other way this can happen is for the RoC government to build homes for the displaced TC's so they have somewhere to move too. Perhaps most TC villages in Paphos ought to be rebuild for the rightful owners.

Of course it will mean that Turkey will just bring more settlers in to take up the accommodation TC's leave behind for the GC's to occupy.

[NikosGB23]

Heard of long summer nights we have a lot of those in the TRNC Kikapu, get help everyone can see you get off on giving every issue sexual connetations.

Look YOU dont get it Viewpoint, what makes you think that Turks even belong here? Why do you get a say in what kind of government we have?

How ignorant, firstly im not a Turk I am a Turkish Cypriot with Turkish origins and we own this island so we have a say so wise up and try to at least act intelligent tall order I know.

When did you suddenly own the island? Oh, when you illegally invaded?

438 years proves you wrong.

Hmm, 438 years of being a minority?! Are you kidding?! Us Greeks have been here longer as a non-minority my friend.

[Viewpoint]

Heard of long summer nights we have a lot of those in the TRNC Kikapu, get help everyone can see you get off on giving every issue sexual connetations.

Look YOU dont get it Viewpoint, what makes you think that Turks even belong here? Why do you get a say in what kind of government we have?

How ignorant, firstly im not a Turk I am a Turkish Cypriot with Turkish origins and we own this island so we have a say so wise up and try to at least act intelligent tall order I know.

When did you suddenly own the island? Oh, when you illegally invaded?

438 years proves you wrong.

Hmm, 438 years of being a minority?! Are you kidding?! Us Greeks have been here longer as a non-minority my friend.

Does that give you any more rights than me?